BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#159562 Jun 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
The point being, the jpg image Obama put on the internet in no way looks like any other copy of anyone elses CoLB!
Answer: It is PDF, and the COLB (Certification of Live Birth) looks just like every other COLB issued in Hawaii. If you are referring to the long-form, the Certificate of Live Birth, it looks different from other long-form birth certificate because Hawaii has not been issuing long forms for years, and created a special one just for Obama by photocopying the original onto security paper and adding the current seal and signature.

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama....

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/white-...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o-...
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#159563 Jun 14, 2013
American Lady wrote:
The fifth section details something very important, it reads
Section 5 –“The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.”
Article 1, Section 8 enumerated the powers Congress has. The only power Congress has over citizenship is found here. It reads,
“To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;”
To make the freed slaves citizens, naturalization was the only power the 14th Amendment granted Congress to use. Look it up in the Constitution. Congress had no intention and no authority to making everyone born under the 14th Amendment “a natural born citizen.” This is born out by Congressional records regarding the debate of the Fourteenth Amendment. By the chief architect of Section 1 of this amendment....Congress of the United States ever had the power or color of power to say that any man born within the jurisdiction of the United States, and not owing a foreign allegiance, is not and shall not be a citizen of the United States.” John A. Bingham,(R-Ohio) US Congressman, Architect of Section 1 of the 14th Amendment, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866), Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866), Cf. U.S. Const. XIVth Amend.
There is no doubt that anyone born under the 14th Amendment who is not subject is a “naturalized citizen,” or just “a citizen,” as the Amendment states. They are not natural born citizens.
To further understand why this is so, is to look at the first clause carefully.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.
The words “born or naturalized” are joined with the conjunction “or,” and logically an or implies either of the two are equal. What they are equal in is being a citizen. Not “a natural born citizen.” This expressly negates the idea that simple birth of a person who is “subject to the jurisdiction” confers the coveted “natural born” status. If the term “citizen” did in fact convey a “natural born” status, then who were naturalized would be considered “natural born.”
Obviously, this is not the case, as it would mean that people like Kissinger, Albright and Schwarzenegger could run for office. Clearly, the Fourteenth Amendment is not conferring “natural born” status on anyone,... and bestows the coveted “natural born citizen” title to the children of citizens, while affirming simple citizenship to the children born to aliens. <<--<<<
As you can see from the intent of the Founding Fathers to the Supreme Court decision that “a natural born” is the child of citizens. A natural born citizen is not the child of an alien. In this there is no doubt. The question now that we seek answered is that Barack Hussein Obama, II is both the child of an alien who never had any intention on becoming a naturalized citizen and the child of a citizen minor.
If Barack Hussein Obama, II was in fact born in Hawaii, he is a citizen under Jus soli and afforded all rights any citizen has.
But he is not a citizen under Jus sanguinis, because we have laws that dictate how Jus sanguinis citizenship can be transferred.
If Barack Hussein Obama, II cannot claim citizenship under Jus sanguinis then he is not a natural born citizen.
http://tinyurl.com/7rro6gj
Obama was indeed born in Hawaii ans his official birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii shows.

And, if the founding fathers had intended that a Natural Born Citizen should mean the children of US citizens, they would have told us. Instead they used the term Natural Born, which was well known in the common law to refer to the place of birth.

And that was also the ruling of the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case, which BTW was AFTER Minor v. Happersett.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159565 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Like I wrote to LinkTv, you can be a total UNbeliever in God, any God, but if you are good, generous, honest, charitable, helpful, hard worker, respectful of others and their faith, how can said God, any God from any religion, refuse you entry to Paradise? You have your beliefs with which I may or may not agree. That is to be respected.
P.S.: I will point out, once again, that I have never claimed to believe or not believe in God. That is my private affair and any one who claims that I am this or that is just speculating.
You'd be refused entry if you didn't believe in him. For the non-believer, all the good deeds one may have done in their life would not have been done in his name. The Glory would not be given to him. This would go against his wishes and you would not be allowed to enter. As far as you're concerned, your posts tell us a great deal about you.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#159566 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
It is the SIN in this world that causes this misery.
GOD threw out the devil in Heaven because of his disobedience and put him on earth.
The devil is the prince of this world, BUT GOD is still in charge otherwise there would be nothing left.
It is never too late for anyone, Including Paul who murdered Saint Stephen and all the Apostles.
The two thieves crucified with JESUS, one asked for forgiveness and JESUS promised him ( Today you will be with ME in Paradise.
=======
Romans 3:23
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
=========
Romans 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in[a] Christ Jesus our Lord.
=========
The Armor of God
10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.
The Lord's Prayer

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come.
THY WILL BE DONE,
on Earth
as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.

For Thine is the kingdom
and the POWER
and the glory,
forever and ever.

Amen †

Ephesians 6:12
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

**********
Armour of God Prayer
Heavenly father I am ready to take my stand against the powers of darkness. Please help me to stand against the spiritual forces of Evil that want to destroy my Country, my family, and me...

The Helmet of Salvation
The Breastplate of Righteousness
The Belt of Truth
The Gospel of Peace
The Shield of Faith
Sword of the Spirit

I will pray persistently for my "fellow believers" in the authority of Jesus' name, deeded to me according to my Faith...

In Jesus' name I pray...
Amen <3

**********

"I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America,
and to the republic
for which it stands,
one nation
under God,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all."
**********

American Lady

Danville, KY

#159567 Jun 14, 2013
nebka wrote:
American Lady thnk about this before responding.
Every govermnent agencying the country would have vetted Obama before he became President.
Also the intelligence agencies of China, Great Britain i could go on and on.
They also would have vetted Obama. Now if any of the countries found out he was not born in Hawaii why didn't they speak out and say something???
Or do you think he had the power to keep them quite?
@ Maureen Scott ...
I can not say this with such fact based precision of words as you have just described the 'failure-in-chief'...

Other than you have hit 'the nail-on-the-head'
in such telling words.

Hopefully others can see this and open their eyes to the facts also.

Congrats to you!
==========

Obama appears to be a tormented man filled with resentment, anger, and disdain for anyone of an opinion or view other than his. He acts in the most hateful, spiteful, malevolent, vindictive ways in order to manipulate and maintain power and control over others. Perhaps, because, as a child, he grew up harboring an abiding bitterness toward the U.S. that was instilled in him by his family and mentors. It seems to have never left him.

It is not the color of his skin that is a problem - for anyone in America.

Rather it is the blackness that fills his soul and the hollowness in his heart
where there should be abiding pride and love for this country.

Think: Have we ever heard Obama speak lovingly of the U.S. or its people, with deep appreciation and genuine respect for our history, our customs, our sufferings and our blessings? Has he ever revealed that, like most patriotic Americans, he gets "goose bumps" when a band plays "The Star Spangled Banner," or sheds a tear when he hears a beautiful rendition of "America the Beautiful?" Does his heart burst with pride when millions of American flags wave on a National holiday - or someone plays "taps" on a trumpet? Has he ever shared the admiration of the military, as we as lovers of those who keep us free, feel when soldiers march by? It is doubtful because Obama did not grow up sharing our experiences or our values. He did not sit at the knee of a Grandfather or Uncle who showed us his medals and told us about the bravery of his fellow troops as they tramped through foreign lands to keep us free. He didn't have grandparents who told stories of suffering and then coming to America, penniless, and the opportunities they had for building a business and life for their children.

Away from this country as a young child, Obama didn't delight in being part of America and its greatness. He wasn't singing our patriotic songs in kindergarten, or standing on the roadside for a holiday parade and eating a hot dog, or lighting sparklers around a campfire on July 4th as fireworks exploded over head, or placing flags on the gravesites of fallen and beloved American heroes.

Rather he was separated from all of these experiences and doesn't really understand us and what it means to be an American. He is void of the basic emotions that most feel regarding this country and insensitive to the instinctive pride we have in our national heritage. His opinions were formed by those who either envied us or wanted him to devalue the United States and the traditions and patriotism that unites us.

He has never given a speech that is filled with calm, reassuring, complimentary, heartfelt statements about all the people in the U.S. Or one that inspires us to be better and grateful and proud that in a short time our country became a leader, and a protector of many. Quite the contrary, his speeches always degenerate into mocking, ridiculing tirades as he faults our achievements as well as any critics or opposition for the sake of a laugh, or to bolster his ego.

continued ...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#159568 Jun 14, 2013
cont ...

He uses his Office to threaten and create fear while demeaning and degrading any American who oppose his policies and actions. A secure leader, who has noble self-esteem and not false confidence, refrains from showing such dread of critics and displaying a cocky, haughty attitude.

Mostly, his time seems to be spent causing dissention, unrest, and anxiety among the people of America, rather than uniting us (even though he was presented to us as the “Great Uniter”). He creates chaos for the sake of keeping people separated, envious, aggrieved and ready to argue. Under his leadership Americans have been kept on edge, rather than in a state of comfort and security. He incites people to be aggressive toward, and disrespectful of, those of differing opinions. And through such behavior, Obama has lowered the standards for self-control and mature restraint to the level of street-fighting gangs, when he should be raising the bar for people to strive toward becoming more considerate, tolerant, self-disciplined, self-sustaining, and self-assured.

Not a day goes by that he is not attempting to defy our laws, remove our rights, over-ride established procedures, install controversial appointees, enact divisive mandates, and assert a dictatorial form of power.
· Never has there been a leader of this great land who used such tactics to harm and hurt the people and this country.
· Never have we had a President who spoke with a caustic, evil tongue against the citizenry rather than present himself as a soothing, calming and trustworthy force.
· Never, in this country, have we experienced how much stress one man can cause a nation of people - on a daily basis!
Obama has promoted the degeneration of peace, civility, and quality of cooperation between us. He thrives on tearing us down, rather than building us up.
He is the Architect of the decline of America, and the epitome of a Demagogue.

Maureen Scott

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159569 Jun 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You'd be refused entry if you didn't believe in him. For the non-believer, all the good deeds one may have done in their life would not have been done in his name. The Glory would not be given to him. This would go against his wishes and you would not be allowed to enter. As far as you're concerned, your posts tell us a great deal about you.
So, you know all about it. You even know what God thinks and how He decides who gets in or not. There are close to 7 billion people on the planet, of which 5.8 billion do not believe in what you claim is the true God, the one YOU worship. That means 59% of the actual population plus billions that have already died are doomed. Do you see something wrong with God's plan? I don't, simply because if He is Who He said He is, He will not agree with your simplistic, uncharitable and cruel conclusion.

Couldn't help a crack, like "As far as you're concerned, your posts tell us a great deal about you" . Please explain. You like to infer stuff, but you never have the guts to go any further.

Incidentally, most of what I've written, except for my opinion on who's allowed in heaven, can be found in the Old, New Testament and the Bible. Is this why you're frustrated? Because you can't counter what I wrote?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159570 Jun 14, 2013
Corr : 83%, NOT 59% of the actual population...
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159571 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you know all about it. You even know what God thinks and how He decides who gets in or not. There are close to 7 billion people on the planet, of which 5.8 billion do not believe in what you claim is the true God, the one YOU worship. That means 59% of the actual population plus billions that have already died are doomed. Do you see something wrong with God's plan? I don't, simply because if He is Who He said He is, He will not agree with your simplistic, uncharitable and cruel conclusion.
Couldn't help a crack, like "As far as you're concerned, your posts tell us a great deal about you" . Please explain. You like to infer stuff, but you never have the guts to go any further.
Incidentally, most of what I've written, except for my opinion on who's allowed in heaven, can be found in the Old, New Testament and the Bible. Is this why you're frustrated? Because you can't counter what I wrote?
What I wrote about are the simplest of teachings from the Bible. Such as, who so ever believeth in me shall not perish, Glory be to God, etc. The part about you was not a dig. You do not share your beliefs so all we can do is look at what you post. No dig intended.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159572 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
Corr : 83%, NOT 59% of the actual population...
As of Dec. 2012, 77% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. You say (I think) that God is a myth yet you cannot prove it. That is an unfounded statement. Here are some other interesting numbers:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercool...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#159575 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You contradict your own self now? Why are there butterfly nets all over and yet, no butterflies?
That's a natural consequence of birfoon thinking.

Rogue believes that "I believed in his promises" means "I voted for him."

Just like BirfoonLady, who thinks that the founders reliance on Vattel in matters of international law means they adopted Vattel's citizenship rules despite the fact that the practice in this country was quite to the contrary both before and after ratification of the constitution.
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, this article quotes him he voted for a third party! He sounds like he maybe a Libertarian?
Rogue
Edward Snowden: I mistakenly believed in Obama’s promises
June 9, 2013
Edward Snowden, the self-revealed whistle-blower at the National Security Agency, explains that part of the reason he decided to come forward was because President Obama did not roll back the surveillance measures put into place by the Bush Administration.
“A lot of people in 2008 voted for Obama. I did not vote for him. I voted for a third party,” Snowden said in an interview with the Guardian.“But I believed in Obama’s promises. I was going to disclose it [but waited because of his election]. He continued with the policies of his predecessor.”
Snowden acknowledged that he watched Obama struggle as he attempted to justify the surveillance programs during his press conference on Friday.
“My immediate reaction was he was having difficulty in defending it himself,” Snowden said about Obama.“He was trying to defend the unjustifiable and he knew it.”
http://washingtonexaminer.com/edward-snowden -...

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#159576 Jun 14, 2013
Justice RS think about this before responding.

Every government agency in the country would have vetted Obama before he became President.

Also the intelligence agencies of China, Great Britain i could go on and on.

They also would have vetted Obama. Now if any of the countries found out he was not born in Hawaii why didn't they speak out and say something???

Or do you think he had the power to keep them quite?
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159577 Jun 14, 2013
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
The Lord's Prayer
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come.
THY WILL BE DONE,
on Earth
as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but DELIVER US FROM EVIL.
For Thine is the kingdom
and the POWER
and the glory,
forever and ever.
Amen †
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.
**********
Armour of God Prayer
Heavenly father I am ready to take my stand against the powers of darkness. Please help me to stand against the spiritual forces of Evil that want to destroy my Country, my family, and me...
The Helmet of Salvation
The Breastplate of Righteousness
The Belt of Truth
The Gospel of Peace
The Shield of Faith
Sword of the Spirit
I will pray persistently for my "fellow believers" in the authority of Jesus' name, deeded to me according to my Faith...
In Jesus' name I pray...
Amen <3
**********
"I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America,
and to the republic
for which it stands,
one nation
under God,
indivisible,
with liberty and justice for all."
**********
Amen AL.

One little tweak: Many Americans are still waiting for liberty and justice for all.

The Congress/Wall Street has the deck stacked against 99% of our citizenry.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159578 Jun 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
As of Dec. 2012, 77% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. You say (I think) that God is a myth yet you cannot prove it. That is an unfounded statement. Here are some other interesting numbers:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercool...
Yes, 77% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Good. But, there is a problem. Less than half of those identify themselves as Catholics. And, Catholics swear that they are the original apostolic catholic devotees. Where does that leave the others? Secondly, Americans represent less than 5% of the world<s population, which implies that you are just dismissing all other inhabitants of all other nations. Is that Christian? Lastly but not really lastly, if 77% of all Americans are "saved" or, "saveable", where does that leave the other 23% or 60 million? That's a lot of "ineligible" for the big top.

Finally, you base yourself on teachings of MAN, infallible man, each of whom claims to have been inspired by the Holy Spirit but, hey, never any witnesses. If your neighbour came out tomorrow and said that God spoke to him and revealed that Mohamad is indeed the true prophet, and Allah the true and only God, how would YOU react? Like Moses did when he descended from the mountain and said he spoke to God, then proceeded to destroy his Law, the Ten Commandments in a fit of ungodly rage because his people were desecrating the 1st Commandment which, get this, they had not yet been apprised of as they were smashed to pieces by Moses , a prophet well known for not controlling his temper. Some anger management sessions may have averted a lot of murders. Oh, did you know his brother Aaron not only was participating in the fashioning and adoration of the gold cow, he organised it. And yet, Moses killed all those that participated EXCEPT Aaron. Saved him. Read it up, it's all there in Exodus, and explain that one to me.

My beliefs are my convictions, and they are personal. And know what, they often change, based on evidence, what I read, watch, see, hear, smell. Not on illuminated misanthropist old men who, by the way, were also the fiercest of misogynous creatures.

If you want to believe these evangelists and prophets who put words in God'd mouth, or actions like having the sun stop from orbiting the earth, that is your affair and I shan't criticize it. Not for me to do.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#159579 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
wojar, Maybe, just maybe Adam and Eve were hairy apelike Humans?
You obviously are in the minority because there are Billions and Billions of people in other religions who all believe in GOD's creation.
The conclusive scientific evidence that disproves the literal account of human creation according to the Adam and Eve myth does not depend upon opinions of people ignorant of the sciences. That's how science works; it does not depend upon religious belief but rather on the evidence.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Population bottleneck analysis of the human genome has revealed that humans emerged as a group, thousands of them. There was never a population bottleneck as extreme as a single mating pair. The single mating pair story is exactly that, a story.
The DNA evidence from both the human genome and the chimpanzee genome unequivocally establishes that both species are descended from a common ancestor. The biblical account of first humans being immortal but who became mortal after 'sin' is simply busted. If there were a first human, whether you call that person Adam or Eve, all of their cousins, brothers, sisters, and clan members were non-human? And Adam's mother was not human? Nonsense. The data makes it a dead cinch conclusion. The born immortal Adam and Eve first human mating pair story is a myth.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159580 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
All of the above doesn't change the fact that it was a human sacrifice.
The TRUE nature of JESUS is GOD and HUMAN.

JESUS was around at the beginning.

He even said to the Pharisees before Abraham was, I AM.

Key Word: US

=========

26 Then God said,“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159581 Jun 14, 2013
nebka wrote:
Justice RS think about this before responding.
Every government agency in the country would have vetted Obama before he became President.
Also the intelligence agencies of China, Great Britain i could go on and on.
They also would have vetted Obama. Now if any of the countries found out he was not born in Hawaii why didn't they speak out and say something???
Or do you think he had the power to keep them quite?
I haven't posted anything about vetting. At least not in a long, long time. Wrong poster?
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159582 Jun 14, 2013
Us and Our.

I have to watch my quick trigger fingers.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159583 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Both the Old and New Testament have been canonized by the Catholic Church and are "the word of God" , to be read and taken literally, according to the Church's Catechism. There is no room for interpretation.
Very True the Catholic Church did give us the scriptures along with the sages of Judaism.

The same themes and meanings would be more appropriate than interpretations.

My bad.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#159584 Jun 14, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
<quoted text>
Now you're a chimp?
I'm afraid there are no chimps who can understand the statistical and mathematical underpinnings of population bottleneck theory. Neither can Rogue. Now who's looking more like a chimp?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry, but population bottleneck studies have nothing to do with theories of chance or purpose. Indeed, population bottleneck data pertaining to human history does not even require belief in evolution. It simply shows that the human population was never two.
Furthermore, the DNA which is in every cell of your body contains the evidence for human descent from a common ancestor of the chimp. That is the scientific conclusion. It is not a philosophical speculation on meaning or purpose in the universe.
The overwhelming evidence that has accumulated over the past few decades has relegated the literal Adam and Eve story to the metaphorical myth category. It is not factual. This means that the notion of the bible as literally inerrant is simply a FALSE and naive belief.

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