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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159629 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
2 Peter 3:8-9
8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
Nevertheless, the 6000 year figure for the age of the earth was made up by people who interpreted the bible according to the genealogy of Jesus. No?

A simple yes or no will do.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Rougie, nowhere in the bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old. The 6000 year theory, created by men, is based on a genealogy of Adam to Jesus, which assumes the earth was ~4000 years old when Jesus was born after Adam, calculated in Earth years based on the lives of biblical characters. The 6,000 year number has nothing to do with "God's point of view." UR pissing in the wind.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159630 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I do.
God created Millions of galaxies and who knows if He started another Earth Life somewhere else.
Yep, I don't think God got bored some 6,000 years, or 6.5 billion years ago, and created the Universe. I think He has been doing this from infinity and will continue to reinvent everything.
I suppose the are endless numbers of "Earths" similar to our whith intelligent human like creatures but I do not believe they have visited our Earth and probably never will.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159631 Jun 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nevertheless, the 6000 year figure for the age of the earth was made up by people who interpreted the bible according to the genealogy of Jesus. No?
A simple yes or no will do.
<quoted text>
But it may not be a yes or no answer which I can not answer.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159632 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
The Science complements and endorses much of the bible.
Even the highest Mountain peaks have fossils embedded from the flood, which many religions all attest to.
Maybe a tree in the Garden of Eden had many rings inside it and was there for millions of years?
Maybe Adam & Eve were hairy apelike Humans?
The Science had the earth as flat at one time in history and many other assumptions.
It makes sense too me when taken the whole totality of the Bible and compare it with science.
The Apostles all died horrible deaths all because they Refuse to say JESUS did not come back from the dead.
They saw HIM come back.
That is a good enough reason for me.
Sorry, the flat earth belief antedated the formal scientific method. Incidentally, ancient Egyptian astronomers understood that the earth was not flat, and they even calculated the distance from the earth to the moon.

Fossils embedded from the flood? Fossils in mountains and other inland locales are evidence that some land masses were once under water millions of years ago. That's not evidence of a multi-million year flood that covered the entire earth. Did you graduate middle school? How did Noah and his family survive all those millions of years on the ark, numskull? How did Noah build his ark millions of years ago before there were any humans? Moron.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The conclusive scientific evidence that disproves the literal account of human creation according to the Adam and Eve myth does not depend upon opinions of people ignorant of the sciences. That's how science works; it does not depend upon religious belief but rather on the evidence.

Since: May 10

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#159633 Jun 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Back in Caesar's day most Romans believed in the Roman gods. Roman gods were not myths?
Socrates was put to death because he didn't believe in the Greek gods.
Popular belief in a god or gods is not evidence that belief is anything other than belief. BTW, 66% of the world is not Christian.
But Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the God of Abraham!
Out of a world population of just over seven billion, 33.39% are Christians, 22.74% Muslims and 0.22% Jewish which means 3.92 Billion all believe in the same God.
And only 2% are atheists so again, you are a deviant!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religiou...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159634 Jun 14, 2013
Norway is in a pickle. Their oil production is slowly dropping and in another twenty years they will no longer be a net exporter of oil which is in part responsible for their above average economy. So the question now is, to extend oil exploration into areas that had previously been ruled out!
I wonder what the environmentalists will say?
Rogue

Oslo to okay Arctic oil drilling near sea ice, despite risks

Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:57pm EDT
* Norway government seeking to offset production decline

* Draft law to allow drilling in waters vulnerable to ice

* Environmentalists see risks

By Environment Correspondent Alister Doyle

OSLO, June 14 (Reuters)- Norway is set to permit offshore oil and gas exploration in Arctic waters vulnerable to sea ice, angering some opposition politicians and environmentalists who say ice sharply raises risks of accidents.

Norway's centre-left government, seeking new resources to offset a decline in production to a 25-year low, has often said it will not allow drilling in ice-covered seas. But the exact definition has been unclear.

A draft law, agreed by parliament's energy and environment committee this week, will allow drilling in an offshore border zone with Russia the size of Switzerland, part of which was covered by sea ice in a chill 2003 winter.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/14/nor...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159635 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"
Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?
Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.
You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?
Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?
Jacques, the "why have you abandoned me" quote is from Psalm 22.

Psalm 22 also includes "they have pierced my hands and my feet."

That is the context. The reference to Psalm 22 in the gospel is messianic in nature. Whether it really happened is another matter.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159636 Jun 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You speak of religion, I speak of faith. Do religions have their faults, of course. As I said, man is inherently flawed. It is the "message" of the Bible that is important as opposed to the individual words and phrases.
Yet when I post "messages" of the Bible here, real true messages, you respond vaguely, not at all or get personal.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159637 Jun 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
I'll take the word of the Bible over the word of man everytime.
You'll take fables over evidence every time?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159638 Jun 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
I'll take the word of the Bible over the word of man everytime.
But, don't you realize that the word of the Bible IS the word of man, supposedly dictated by God? And, I'll take you at your word, that the Bible is the word of God. Have you read the Old Testament? The truth. Have you? If you have, can you really repeat that it is the word of God, beginning with Genesis. If you do, I'll throw some of the passages at you and ask you to justify them. Deal?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159639 Jun 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad you don't know what you're talking about, as usual.
Is a man who writes dumbazzbastard, dumbazzbitch, buttflapper,. queer, etc, daily, specially in a non-warranted spontaneous manner, reflect the message of God? I'll tell you in passing that most so-called "libtards" don't use that kind of language, but on the other hand, most birthers and tea partyers who come to Topix do.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159640 Jun 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
But it may not be a yes or no answer which I can not answer.
If the 6000 year-old Earth was stated in the bible, please show it. If not, then it's not there. Not a yes or no answer?

The **conclusion** that the Earth is ~6000 years old is a conclusion that was reached by men, and stated by men. Now even if God "told you" that the earth is 6000 years old it would still be a yes or no question.

You're a coward. A dishonest coward. Either it is a yes or no question or it isn't. It "may not be a yes or no question" is a stupid hallucination. RU on drugs?

If it's not a yes or no question, why not? Dumbass.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nevertheless, the 6000 year figure for the age of the earth was made up by people who interpreted the bible according to the genealogy of Jesus. No?
A simple yes or no will do.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159641 Jun 14, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
Bob: "Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?"
Jim: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean SEAL Team 6 Extortion 17?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the voter fraud?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean that 3 or 4 of Obama's GAY boyfriends were mysteriously MURDERED when they came forward with claims he was gay too?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the president demoralizing and breaking down the military?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the Boston Bombing?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, e-mails and everything else?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the president wanting to kill Americans with drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy it was sold to the Chinese?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The DOJ spying on the press?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and right after they declared bankruptcy 3 months later the Chinese bought it?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, e-mails and everything else?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons and falsely blaming the sequester?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate's advise-and-consent role?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "HHS employees being given insider information on Medicare Advantage?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "I give up!... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters stuck us again with the most corrupt administration in American history?"
Bob: "THAT'S THE ONE!"
I see Nazrat has the same problem as Rogue, He steals. A word Kleptomaniac, commonly known as plagiarism.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159642 Jun 14, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
Bob: "Did you hear about the Obama administration scandal?"
Jim: "You mean the Mexican gun running?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean SEAL Team 6 Extortion 17?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the State Dept. lying about Benghazi?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the voter fraud?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the military not getting their votes counted?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean that 3 or 4 of Obama's GAY boyfriends were mysteriously MURDERED when they came forward with claims he was gay too?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the president demoralizing and breaking down the military?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the Boston Bombing?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, e-mails and everything else?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the president wanting to kill Americans with drones in our own country without the benefit of the law?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving 123 Technologies $300 Million and right after it declared bankruptcy it was sold to the Chinese?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "You mean the president arming the Muslim Brotherhood?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The IRS targeting conservatives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The DOJ spying on the press?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Sebelius shaking down health insurance executives?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Giving SOLYNDRA $500 MILLION DOLLARS and right after they declared bankruptcy 3 months later the Chinese bought it?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The NSA monitoring our phone calls, e-mails and everything else?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's ordering the release of nearly 10,000 illegal immigrants from jails and prisons and falsely blaming the sequester?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's threat to impose gun control by Executive Order in order to bypass Congress?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's repeated violation of the law requiring him to submit a budget no later than the first Monday in February?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The 2012 vote where 115% of all registered voters in some counties voted 100% for Obama?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The president's unconstitutional recess appointments in an attempt to circumvent the Senate's advise-and-consent role?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "The State Department interfering with an Inspector General investigation on departmental sexual misconduct?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "HHS employees being given insider information on Medicare Advantage?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "Clinton, the IRS, Clapper and Holder all lying to Congress?"
Bob: "No, the other one."
Jim: "I give up!... Oh wait, I think I got it! You mean that 65 million low-information voters stuck us again with the most corrupt administration in American history?"
Bob: "THAT'S THE ONE!"
Not hard to find :

answers.yahoo.com ›...› Politics -– Bob:“Did you hear about the Obama administration …... Bob: "No, the other one. Jim:“You mean the Mexican gun-running?” Bob:“No, the ...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159643 Jun 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Pope Francis recently stated that he believes good and decent atheists can go to heaven. Maybe he will rebuild the Church. That doesn't say much for misanthropic and hateful believers.
<quoted text>
And if Pope Francis goes to far, he may just be assassinated by the curia, as was John Paul I.
Grand Birther

Cleveland, OH

#159644 Jun 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If the 6000 year-old Earth was stated in the bible, please show it. If not, then it's not there. Not a yes or no answer?
The **conclusion** that the Earth is ~6000 years old is a conclusion that was reached by men, and stated by men. Now even if God "told you" that the earth is 6000 years old it would still be a yes or no question.
You're a coward. A dishonest coward. Either it is a yes or no question or it isn't. It "may not be a yes or no question" is a stupid hallucination. RU on drugs?
If it's not a yes or no question, why not? Dumbass.
<quoted text>
Que Rogue's pisspoor understanding of relativity story.

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#159645 Jun 14, 2013
Arrest Obama Under NDAA For Supporting Terrorists in Syria
http://www.infowars.com/detain-obama-under-nd...

Secret Service to outspoken Obama critic: We'll come for your guns; Media silent
http://www.examiner.com/article/secret-servic...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159646 Jun 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
But Jews, Christians and Muslims all believe in the God of Abraham!
Out of a world population of just over seven billion, 33.39% are Christians, 22.74% Muslims and 0.22% Jewish which means 3.92 Billion all believe in the same God.
And only 2% are atheists so again, you are a deviant!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religiou...
And primitives believed in a sun god. So fecking what?

Got a fecking clue? Average persons' opinions are not scientific evidence.

In Salem and most of the US people once believed in witchcraft. So fecking what?

People's beliefs are not evidence. Got a clue what evidence is? Eh?

Belief in God is not evidence that God exists. Belief is not evidence.

Grow up!

Belief in witches is not evidence that spells have supernatural power.

Belief in Atlantis is not evidence that Atlantis ever existed.

Belief in Superman is not evidence that Superman ever existed.

Belief in angels is not evidence that angels exist.

Belief in demons is not evidence that demons exist.

Belief in banshees is not evidence that banshees exist.

Got a clue yet?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Back in Caesar's day most Romans believed in the Roman gods. Roman gods were not myths?
Socrates was put to death because he didn't believe in the Greek gods.
Popular belief in a god or gods is not evidence that belief is anything other than belief. BTW, 66% of the world is not Christian.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159647 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not trying to prove or disprove anything. I just say what I think, and RIGHT NOW, SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE BELITTLED ANYONE ABOUT THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. Not my style. Do it now, and certainly, show me just one instance of belittling on my part and I will apologize. Not my style to do that, but rather to say, I repeat, what I think. As to religion, I continue repeating what I've read in the Holy books, just that, I ask questions of the "believers" and I get no reply , except "you belittle people, you're an atheist, you hate God" etc. This is a forum, no one holds the keys to absolute truth, least of all me, but it is a forum open for discussion. Bullying is your style, not mine. Respect is my style, not mine. Now let's have that example where I answered someone in a belittling manner. If at times, I've written "fool, idiot, clueless, slug", it's in retaliation and certainly not in answer to any subject, just a reflex, and never underhanded sex or profanity. Ever. And yes, if it's hurt anyone, apologies are offered.
Not your style? Ha! You do it all the time and you know it. No worries though, it only makes "you" look small.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159648 Jun 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Jacques, the "why have you abandoned me" quote is from Psalm 22.
Psalm 22 also includes "they have pierced my hands and my feet."
That is the context. The reference to Psalm 22 in the gospel is messianic in nature. Whether it really happened is another matter.
I know. And I know how they added to it.

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