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Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159582 Jun 14, 2013
Us and Our.

I have to watch my quick trigger fingers.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159583 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Both the Old and New Testament have been canonized by the Catholic Church and are "the word of God" , to be read and taken literally, according to the Church's Catechism. There is no room for interpretation.
Very True the Catholic Church did give us the scriptures along with the sages of Judaism.

The same themes and meanings would be more appropriate than interpretations.

My bad.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159584 Jun 14, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
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Now you're a chimp?
I'm afraid there are no chimps who can understand the statistical and mathematical underpinnings of population bottleneck theory. Neither can Rogue. Now who's looking more like a chimp?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm sorry, but population bottleneck studies have nothing to do with theories of chance or purpose. Indeed, population bottleneck data pertaining to human history does not even require belief in evolution. It simply shows that the human population was never two.
Furthermore, the DNA which is in every cell of your body contains the evidence for human descent from a common ancestor of the chimp. That is the scientific conclusion. It is not a philosophical speculation on meaning or purpose in the universe.
The overwhelming evidence that has accumulated over the past few decades has relegated the literal Adam and Eve story to the metaphorical myth category. It is not factual. This means that the notion of the bible as literally inerrant is simply a FALSE and naive belief.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#159585 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The man's just a plain hypocrite and fool. His birther followers are just plain fools, never mind hypocrites.
Obama's just a plain hypocrite and fool. Obama's followers are just plain fools,and hypocrites. The people that idolize Obama are the same people that complained about Bush,Obama is ten times worst than Bush,yet they won't say one word. Obama lied every time he opened his mouth,but those that idolize him continue to follow him blindly. Obama himself complained when the unemployment rate raised above 4.5 under Bush,yet it has never gone down under Obama. There are currently twice as many people with out jobs ad twice as many people on welfare than there were prior to the time Obama was elected to the Senate in 2006.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159586 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Yes, 77% of Americans identify themselves as Christians. Good. But, there is a problem. Less than half of those identify themselves as Catholics. And, Catholics swear that they are the original apostolic catholic devotees. Where does that leave the others? Secondly, Americans represent less than 5% of the world<s population, which implies that you are just dismissing all other inhabitants of all other nations. Is that Christian? Lastly but not really lastly, if 77% of all Americans are "saved" or, "saveable", where does that leave the other 23% or 60 million? That's a lot of "ineligible" for the big top.
Finally, you base yourself on teachings of MAN, infallible man, each of whom claims to have been inspired by the Holy Spirit but, hey, never any witnesses. If your neighbour came out tomorrow and said that God spoke to him and revealed that Mohamad is indeed the true prophet, and Allah the true and only God, how would YOU react? Like Moses did when he descended from the mountain and said he spoke to God, then proceeded to destroy his Law, the Ten Commandments in a fit of ungodly rage because his people were desecrating the 1st Commandment which, get this, they had not yet been apprised of as they were smashed to pieces by Moses , a prophet well known for not controlling his temper. Some anger management sessions may have averted a lot of murders. Oh, did you know his brother Aaron not only was participating in the fashioning and adoration of the gold cow, he organised it. And yet, Moses killed all those that participated EXCEPT Aaron. Saved him. Read it up, it's all there in Exodus, and explain that one to me.
My beliefs are my convictions, and they are personal. And know what, they often change, based on evidence, what I read, watch, see, hear, smell. Not on illuminated misanthropist old men who, by the way, were also the fiercest of misogynous creatures.
If you want to believe these evangelists and prophets who put words in God'd mouth, or actions like having the sun stop from orbiting the earth, that is your affair and I shan't criticize it. Not for me to do.
You didn't check out the link did you? I never mentioned "Catholics". I base my beliefs on my life experiences and how those experiences correlate with what the Bible teaches. Why would anyone base a "belief" on man? Man is inherently flawed. My beliefs have never changed. If one's beliefs change regularly then they have no foundation on which to build. "You shan't criticize it"? You have and still do. What are you talking about? My beliefs have been reinforced through life experiences. I'm far from perfect just as any man is. That is why I ask God for forgiveness each day (nearly). People either believe or they don't. It really is as simple as that. Tell me, have you ever known a junkie and seen the relentless desire and craving for a fix?
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159587 Jun 14, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
The conclusive scientific evidence that disproves the literal account of human creation according to the Adam and Eve myth does not depend upon opinions of people ignorant of the sciences. That's how science works; it does not depend upon religious belief but rather on the evidence.
<quoted text>
The Science complements and endorses much of the bible.

Even the highest Mountain peaks have fossils embedded from the flood, which many religions all attest to.

Maybe a tree in the Garden of Eden had many rings inside it and was there for millions of years?

Maybe Adam & Eve were hairy apelike Humans?

The Science had the earth as flat at one time in history and many other assumptions.

It makes sense too me when taken the whole totality of the Bible and compare it with science.

The Apostles all died horrible deaths all because they Refuse to say JESUS did not come back from the dead.

They saw HIM come back.

That is a good enough reason for me.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159588 Jun 14, 2013
MSNBC RATINGS COLLAPSE 'UNGLUES' CHRIS MATTHEWS
by JOHN NOLTE 14 Jun 2013

Red State's Erick Erickson and the Media Research Center's Tim Graham joined Bill O'Reilly for an entertaining look at how a 20% ratings collapse has affected MSNBC's approach to programming. Chris Matthews, specifically, has gone even further off the rails with his personal attacks against Bill O'Reilly and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX).
Matthews compared Cruz to anti-Semitic Father Coughlin and claimed that Bill O'Reilly, Cruz and other conservatives have "black Irish" features.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/...
Frank

Spokane, WA

#159589 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
The gist of the law has remained the same : Surveillance.
After 9/11 Bush was forced to adapt security policies that could protect our country from terrorist without being overly or overtly profiling to certain groups of people. This controversial policy was soundly condemned by Illinois Senate
from the 13th district and later by United States Senator from Illinois. That one time 176 senator who never completed his tour in the Senate has increased those policies to enable him to attack any one that does not agree with his radical left wing agenda.
Pdamerica org

West Sayville, NY

#159590 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Very True the Catholic Church did give us the scriptures along with the sages of Judaism.
The same themes and meanings would be more appropriate than interpretations.
My bad.
The Prophets of Judaism.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159591 Jun 14, 2013
National Review's Rich Lowry Destroys MSNBC's Rachel Madcow on Meet

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159593 Jun 14, 2013
I wonder if this has anything to do with Obama's administration? Eric Holder? If it is, it will be very bad for both as the press is already pissed off over other issues.
Rogue

CBS confirms Ben[g]hazi reporter's computer tampered with By Associated Press June 14, 2013

NEW YORK (AP)-- Private investigators found that CBS News Washington reporter Sharyl Attkisson's computer was tampered with multiple times late last year, the network said Friday.

CBS said an intruder, working remotely using Attkisson's accounts, executed commands involving the search and filtering of data. The network said it is taking further steps to identify the intruder and how that person gained access to her computer.

CBS hired a cybersecurity firm to conduct the analysis. Attkisson, an investigative reporter who has worked at CBS since 1995, said three weeks ago that she thought someone had tampered with her computers.

In an interview with Philadelphia's WPHT radio on May 21, Attkisson said "there could be some relationship" between what has happened to her and to James Rosen, the chief Washington correspondent for Fox News Channel. In what appeared to be a leak investigation, law enforcement officials obtained a search warrant to obtain some of Rosen's private emails and tracked his comings and goings from the State Department.
http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/06/14/cbs-con...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159594 Jun 14, 2013
During a commercial airline flight an experienced Air Force Pilot was seated next to a young mother with a babe in arms. When the baby began crying during the descent for landing, the mother began nursing the infant as discreetly as possible.

The pilot pretended not to notice, and, upon disembarking, he gallantly offered his assistance to help with the various baby-related items.

When the young mother expressed her gratitude, the pilot responded, "Gosh, that's a good looking baby, and he sure was hungry!"

Somewhat embarrassed, the mother explained that her paediatrician said that the time spent on the breast would help alleviate the pressure in the baby's ears.

The Air Force Pilot sadly shook his head, and in true pilot fashion exclaimed, "And all these years,

I've been chewing gum."

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159595 Jun 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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The point being, the jpg image Obama put on the internet in no way looks like any other copy of anyone elses CoLB!
What a clumsy dodge. Rouge cannot come up with any plausible comment in item 23 that could possibly negate the recorded data of a hospital birth with the delivering physician's signature on the document. The data at HDoH matches the data in the pdf, including the physician's signature. If it is Rouge's theory that item 23 comments were to the effect that he was not born at Kapiolani but rather in Kenya and that the delivering physician was mistaken, then let's hear the theory. The fact is Rouge's fantasy is a non-starter.

It simply is not possible for the data in items 1 - 22 to "match" the original record if the birth occurred in Kenya; unless you're on LSD.

The point, Rouge, is that your item 23 fantasies are absurd. The original record includes Ann Dunham Obama's signature dated August 7, 1961, when she was at Kapiolani, and David A. Sinclair's signature dated August 8. HDoH has verified these facts. Now what comments in item 23 could negate these facts? An evil twin of Ann Dunham actually gave birth to a different mixed-race child at Kapiolani? Evil Grannie laced Dr. Sinclair's tea with LSD and he hallucinated the entire birth, as did other staff at the hospital?

GROW UP!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Rouge is still avoiding his problem with item 23. Does he fancy that item 23 contains a statement that David A. Sinclair, M. D., was high on LSD and hallucinated the birth of BO on August 4, 1961, and that the child was really born in Kenya? And does Rouge believe the hospital clerk who typed in the information was on hallucinogens as well?
Rouge does not seem to comprehend that there are no possible comments that could have ever been in item 23 that would have invalidated items 7a, 7b, 7c,(place of birth) and the doctor's signature. "Oops it was all a joke and he was really born in Kenya" doesn't cut it in the real world. What world is Rouge from?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159596 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
The TRUE nature of JESUS is GOD and HUMAN.
JESUS was around at the beginning.
He even said to the Pharisees before Abraham was, I AM.
Key Word: US
=========
26 Then God said,“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”
27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.

Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"

Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?

Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.

You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?

Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159597 Jun 14, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
<quoted text>
Amen AL.
One little tweak: Many Americans are still waiting for liberty and justice for all.
The Congress/Wall Street has the deck stacked against 99% of our citizenry.
And then how did Bill Gates and Steve Jobs make it? How did a ghetto boy like Colon Powell become a four-star general? How did Bill Clinton come from the sticks of Arkansas and make it to the White House?
Here in America, you can do about anything you are capable of.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159598 Jun 14, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text> Obama's just a plain hypocrite and fool. Obama's followers are just plain fools,and hypocrites. The people that idolize Obama are the same people that complained about Bush,Obama is ten times worst than Bush,yet they won't say one word. Obama lied every time he opened his mouth,but those that idolize him continue to follow him blindly. Obama himself complained when the unemployment rate raised above 4.5 under Bush,yet it has never gone down under Obama. There are currently twice as many people with out jobs ad twice as many people on welfare than there were prior to the time Obama was elected to the Senate in 2006.
Unemployment rate in Feb 2009, ONE month after Obama took office : 8.3%

Unemployment rate 9 months after Obama took office, Oct 2009 : 10%

Are you clueless to the point that you think those are Obama's numbers? Everything crashed in the fall of 2008, starting in August 2008. The 8.3 and 10% unemployment numbers are but a consequence of GWB's last disastrous year as president that almost bankrupted the United States.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#159599 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"
Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?
Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.
You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?
Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?
And that is were faith comes in! But it is sad that you will believe in Global Warming even though the Earth has been cooling for the past dozen years!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159600 Jun 14, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Population bottleneck analysis of the human genome has revealed that humans emerged as a group, thousands of them. There was never a population bottleneck as extreme as a single mating pair. The single mating pair story is exactly that, a story.
The DNA evidence from both the human genome and the chimpanzee genome unequivocally establishes that both species are descended from a common ancestor. The biblical account of first humans being immortal but who became mortal after 'sin' is simply busted. If there were a first human, whether you call that person Adam or Eve, all of their cousins, brothers, sisters, and clan members were non-human? And Adam's mother was not human? Nonsense. The data makes it a dead cinch conclusion. The born immortal Adam and Eve first human mating pair story is a myth.
<quoted text>
Or do many of us believe in Divine Intervention. Whether we came from chimps or some other primate is not material. At some point we became human. So it took God billions of years to create us, so what?
How long is one of God's minutes, days, month, etc.? First he "caused" some one cell animal or plant to begin life and they evolved through God's design to become mammals and then primates and then man.
How is it that Earth has all it needs to make life flourish? We have the right amount of sunlight, water, air, earth, plants, etc. And none of it has any explanation. NONE!
Thank you.

Rouge: "Whether we came from chimps or some other primate is not material. At some point we became human."

Indeed, at some point humans emerged. However, humans did not emerge from a single specially created couple per Adam and Eve myth. So thank you for admitting that the literal story of Adam & Eve is myth and literally false.

How is it that the earth has everything to sustain life? Duh! There could be millions of planets in the universe that can sustain life.

We have "the right amount"? None of it has any explanation? Billions and billions and billions of galaxies each with billions and billions and billions of stars, and a planet like Earth, needs a special explanation? The real question is how could a universe so vast not support life on many of its planets.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159601 Jun 14, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You didn't check out the link did you? I never mentioned "Catholics". I base my beliefs on my life experiences and how those experiences correlate with what the Bible teaches. Why would anyone base a "belief" on man? Man is inherently flawed. My beliefs have never changed. If one's beliefs change regularly then they have no foundation on which to build. "You shan't criticize it"? You have and still do. What are you talking about? My beliefs have been reinforced through life experiences. I'm far from perfect just as any man is. That is why I ask God for forgiveness each day (nearly). People either believe or they don't. It really is as simple as that. Tell me, have you ever known a junkie and seen the relentless desire and craving for a fix?
To think you'd walk right into it by writing : "Why would anyone base a "belief" on man?" Then tell me, who wrote ALL of the Scriptures? God?

I do not subscribe to any religion as they are all flawed and mostly violent and anti-female. That's because man made them that way. Not God.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159602 Jun 14, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Trinity . The Father, the Son and and Holy Ghost.
Jesus is dying on the cross. His net-to-last words : "Father, why hast thou abandoned me?"
Well, Jesus is supposed to be God, the Son, and, at the same time, the Father and the Holy Spirit, correct? Grateful you explain how Jesus, or God, can feel abandoned by his Father, who is He who is God. How can God abandon himself?
Can you please point out to me in any Gospel, Epistle, act of the Apostles, where and when Jesus said he was God.
You said we could not have it both ways. Yet you do. God is said to have given his son by making him a man. So what was he, a man or a God? Was the Father playing it both ways? Why was Satan tempt Jesus in the desert with worldly goods if Jesus was God? For what purpose was Satan even trying to tempt the creator of heaven and earth with paltry human things? And, being God and man at the same time, did he really suffer? Did he jettison his divine being whilst he was a man?
Ordinarily, anyone would dismiss all of the above and file it along with the Little Red Riding Hood tales. But for some reason called blind faith, and because humans are AFRAID of the afterlife, he/she clings to these revelations spinned by ...man. I reckon God would disassociate himself from most or all that has been written and said about HIM. How would he feel about the Crusades, the Inquisition, the witch hunts, the deadly Reformation, the wars in his name, because, don't forget, all of the foregoing was done in HIS name. He has broad shoulders, no?
Why do you work so hard at trying to disprove something that can't be disproved? If you don't agree then say so and move on, instead of trying to belittle people about their beliefs. Think about how petty that is.

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