BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#159461 Jun 13, 2013
Patriot wrote:
The Usurpation of the Presidency is an Act of War
Arrest Barack Hussein Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Saebarkah Under the Aliens and Seditions Acts, Publicly Try Him for Espionage, and Then Legally Execute Him for Treason! Then go after his NWO handlers.
http://www.commieblaster.com/ineligible/
http://drkatesview.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/i...
The people who say that President Barack Hussein Obama is also named Barry Soetoro are racist scumbags.

They are pissed off that a mix race person was elected president they will say anything.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159462 Jun 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
1] A reporter is not a document expert and how do we know if this reporter is non-partisan?
2] This issue has been addressed many times and even the Hawaiian government will not confirm whether or not the jpeg image is a copy of any State of Hawaii document! All they have commented on is the "information" which they say is correct. But they did not mention whether or not there was any deleted information.
Deleted information? Item 23, which is blank, "Evidence for Delayed Filing or Alteration" could not possibly be relevant to date and POB for a hospital birth, with certificate signed by the delivering physician, and with the document registered four days after delivery of the child.

Rogue is nuts. Really David A. Sinclair, M. D. at Kapiolani Hospital, Kenya? And he wonders why no one takes him seriously. HDoH verified that the information matches, that includes Place of birth, Name of Hospital, and signature of attending physician. Also, if there had been any amendment, an additional document (affidavit) would have been indicated in the index file. Rogue is simply FOS.

This was the rule in 1961:

"Except as provided by Section 338-15 or the regulations herein, an application to amend any item in a vital statistics certificate or to issue a new certificate must be accompanied with an affidavit setting forth the full name of the registrant. date, volume and such proof as the Director may deem necessary to support the amendment{s) and to preserve the authenticity of the certificate."

Now really Rouge, what do you think an affidavit could have said? An unknown evil twin of Stanley Ann Dunham actually gave birth to the baby at Kapiolani?

Moron.
Democracynow org

Sayville, NY

#159463 Jun 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
In response to Linktv's post number 159369 :

3. Adam is happy, has everything he wants and needs. Cannot be wanting company as he does not know about "company" or that it even exists or could exist;
4. He creates Eve OUT OF ADAM'S RIB. Yeah, suuuuure;
5. as God. Question : Why does God do this? What's wrong with HIM? Why can't he leave well enough alone?;
7. Eve enjoins Adam to eat the apple so he'll become everything God is. Adam obeys, takes a bite, and BOOM, a VOICE, a grave voice bellows out : "Adam, what have you done?" And Adam, typical male that he is, turns to Eve and exclaims : "She made me do it";
8. Well, bad bad Eve. Punishment for her and billions of women that will follow her? Pain, atrocious pain giving birth. Why could the "rib thing" not continue? So much easier. Overkill? You betcha. Everyone from now on will toil and suffer and risk going to hell if bad ALL BECAUSE some poor sap ate an apple? Overkill? You betcha;
9. Driven out of Paradise, newly clothed (no Gucci here), they set up shop and have two boys, Abel and Cain;
10. Cain, who prepares a sacrifice of vegetables as sacrificing animals is not allowed by God, kills Abel who went against God's law and sacrificed an animal but nevertheless pleased God.
This story is going well, isn't it? The first dysfunctional family.
11.After killing his brother, and rightly so, Cain takes off with his wife. His wife? Where'd SHE come from? There were only Adam and Eve in the beginning. This is sounding more and more Fable-like, no?;
12. Anyhoo, Cain is NOT punished as we were taught in bible class, no, he becomes a farmer, has many wives (oops, where'd THEY come from?) children and becomes prosperous and dies of old age, goes unpunished for his crime;
13. Incest continues, world is populated until God regrets having created man and unleashes the great flood, after which incest resumes, as there are only Noah and his family left to fill the planet.
whole wide world.
It's easy to blame God for this mess, like our beginnings by incest. As we all know, incest breeds insanity and explains in part the creation of the insane birther party and its looney-tooney members. And toss in a mix of Republicans and tea partyers. I digress. I love to digress. As I said, easy to say "God made me do it". All of these holy writings are gleaned from oral tradition and inventions and phantasms. God is to blame for none of this mess, but so easy to lay it on Him, no?
I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.


Moses gets credit for the first five books of the old testament.

In actuality the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through Humankind.

2 Timothy 3:16-17

16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Cain ( is the first child of Eve,[29] the first murderer, and the first human being to fall under a curse.[6]

According to the biblical narrative in Genesis 4:1-16, Cain treacherously murdered his brother Abel, lied about the murder to God, and as a result was cursed and marked for life.[6] With the earth left cursed to drink Abel's blood, Cain was no longer able to farm the land.[30] Exegesis of the Hebrew narrative has Cain punished as a "fugitive and wanderer"

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Matthew 7:7

7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Can YOU Jacques, create the Sun? the Moon? the Stars? Galaxies? all LIFE?

=========

The Devil tempted Adam and Eve NOT GOD.

You also have it wrong about Cain and Abel.

I will just suggest this to you.

I admire your thought process and know you have an open mind.

JESUS will meet you anytime, anywhere, day or night.

All you have to do is ask HIM with a sincere heart.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159465 Jun 13, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
<quoted text>
I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
Moses gets credit for the first five books of the old testament.
In actuality the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through Humankind.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Cain ( is the first child of Eve,[29] the first murderer, and the first human being to fall under a curse.[6]
According to the biblical narrative in Genesis 4:1-16, Cain treacherously murdered his brother Abel, lied about the murder to God, and as a result was cursed and marked for life.[6] With the earth left cursed to drink Abel's blood, Cain was no longer able to farm the land.[30] Exegesis of the Hebrew narrative has Cain punished as a "fugitive and wanderer"
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Matthew 7:7
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Can YOU Jacques, create the Sun? the Moon? the Stars? Galaxies? all LIFE?
=========
The Devil tempted Adam and Eve NOT GOD.
You also have it wrong about Cain and Abel.
I will just suggest this to you.
I admire your thought process and know you have an open mind.
JESUS will meet you anytime, anywhere, day or night.
All you have to do is ask HIM with a sincere heart.
Quote : "Moses gets credit for the first five books of the old testament.

In actuality the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through Humankind.

2 Timothy 3:16-17"

1. "There is speculation that Moses wrote the five books of the Old Testament". According to scholars, it is just that : speculation. If he did, he had a great talent as a pornographer, murder writer, rape writer, incest writer, massacre of Cananaan men, women and children etc.

2. "Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through Humankind." Scoff. I can hardly believe you wrote that. And you do believe it because some old misanthrope who termed themselves evangelists told you so? Why are there never ever witnesses to vouch for these "revelations" from the Holy Spirit? Even Paul was a murderer. Why him converted on his way to Damascus?

You also wrote : "I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is."

Well, you too easily discount the love and affection of God. It is sure that even if He does not succeed in making you believe in Him, but you lead a good loving generous charitable life doing good amongst your brethren, you'll get to Heaven a lot quicker than some phoney president or $20 billion a year thieving CEO who goes to Church every Sunday.

Also you wrote : "Matthew 7:7
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Can YOU Jacques, create the Sun? the Moon? the Stars? Galaxies? all LIFE?"

Poppycock. You tell Afghan women, many Moslem women, poor Aids-ravaged communities with not enough to eat, handicapped children and adults, either physically and mostly mentally that they can ask and receive, that they can seek and find, and hey, you get one of these poor lost crack-addicted men or women knocking at your door at 2 in the morning and see if you'll open. Neither will God. I've seen untold misery, misery like you cannot fathom, there is no hope for these people, why there are not even any doors to knock on. There are no doors.

I can't create the sun, moon, stars. But then who did? You don't know, I don't know. No one knows as no one has come back from the dead to inform us. Every wondered why?

But my main grievance is, from time immemorial, man has blamed God for all of his crimes, from Abraham to Moses to modern war. God as I know him does not kill innocent people as Joshuah attributes to him
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#159466 Jun 13, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama is a FRAUD!
1. How can a document that contains no raised seal of authentication be a valid legal document?
2. How can a PDF file with a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, that was created on a computer, proven as fact by a registrars stamp that can be moved, be considered as a valid legal document?
What say the SHEEPLE?


Re: "1. How can a document that contains no raised seal of authentication be a valid legal document?"

Answer: Because, duh, it DOES have the raised seal, and a reporter stated that she felt it.

Re: "2. How can a PDF file with a one of s kind error in the registrars stamp, that was created on a computer, proven as fact by a registrars stamp that can be moved, be considered as a valid legal document?"

Answer: It is not a one of a kind error, and the document was not created on a computer, nor can the registrar's stamp be moved.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o -...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159467 Jun 13, 2013
2...

and God plays with the devil, that very devil that HE banished to hell after they revolted against HIM? Plays games and bets with him on Adam and Eve and Job? Are you serious? I thought Satan burned and suffered for eternity. Does he get a break when he gets together to play games with God?

The devil, and of course, these are fables, we have to take some nutty unknown prophet's word for it, was allowed to tempt Adam and Eve. Why am I writing this? It's all so Santa Claus-like.

Anyhow, a man , a woman who lead a good life, do good unto others, are children of God, believers or not. I'll take my chances, but I don't intend to reveal what I do or do not believe, except for religion, as I don't know of one good one. ALL religions have succeeded in disrespecting the very God or Jesus or Mohamad or Krishna or Jawheh that they say is their God.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#159468 Jun 13, 2013
COPIED from another poster:

Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill
Publishes extensive study on 'Psychological Causes of Political Madness'

WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book,“The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.”“Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159469 Jun 13, 2013
American Lady wrote:
COPIED from another poster:
Veteran psychiatrist calls liberals mentally ill
Publishes extensive study on 'Psychological Causes of Political Madness'
WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book,“The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.”“Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
Question : You're stranded on a deserted island. A genie tells you that you can have one companion and he/she can be conservative OR liberal. You're gonna have to live with him/her the rest of your life. Frankly now, who shall it be?
Grand Birther

United States

#159473 Jun 13, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
<quoted text>
Where is your PROOF that it has a raised seal???
Oh, that is blah blah blah blah

!
Looks like Kentucky Loser is still fixated on meaningless Internet images.

L O L O L O L O L
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#159474 Jun 13, 2013
Re: "Where is your PROOF that it has a raised seal???
Oh, that is right, somebody said it so it must be true, right?

Answer: Yes of course somebody saying that they felt the raised seal is proof, and so is the fact that the current director of health of Hawaii said that she saw the seal attached to the long form, and so is the fact that the officials in Hawaii have stated in court papers that the facts on Obama's birth certificate are EXACTLY the same as on the one that was sent to him, and the raised seal is a fact. And so is the fact that the raised seal is clearly visible on the back of the short form birth certificate, and it is the short-form birth certificate that is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.

Re: "Exactly where on that document do you think that you see it?
Give us the exact location of your delusion."

Answer: You can see it on the short form, as noted above, and you can also see it faintly (just the ring) on the jpg version posted by Savannah Guterie. It does not show up on the pdf scan because it was a SCAN, not a photograph, and the document was pressed flat on the screen and the raised seal has exactly the same colors as the paper of the document.

Re: "Oh, don't forget to include a link to your delusion if you can, or otherwise admit that you are a RETARDED MORONIC LYING IMBECILE!'

Answer: I never swear, but any rational person will agree that those four capitalized words apply to you.

Re links:

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-...

This NBC news report contains the words "I felt the raised seal."

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nightly-news/427...

The letter from the current director of health shown as the last letter in this file says that she witnessed the copying of the original and its authenticity, meaning the attachment of the seal---for without the seal it is not an authentic birth certificate:

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/Birth_...

And, if you look very closely at this jpg file, you will see the ring of the raised seal:

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/05/be-sea...

Re: "OK, show us another Hawaiian birth certificate with that one-of-a-kind error on it or admit that it is in fact a one-of-a-kind error!"

Answer: What error? And there are virtually NO long form birth certificates issued in Hawaii anymore. Obama's was an exception. So, duh, it is virtually impossible to show another one.

Re: "How is a PDF file created?"

Re: In this case, it was created by scanning the document and putting the result into PDF using Macintosh software.

Re: "The registrars stamp can be moved!"

Answer: Ah, you are talking about the IMAGE of the registrar's stamp, not the actual stamp on the document. Well, of course, the image of the stamp can be moved because PDF creates elements, not pixels, and the stamp was one of the elements.

Re cited youtube. Anyone can make claims that "pdf works like this." In fact, it works with layers and elements.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/white-...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2013/01/ame-o-...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#159476 Jun 13, 2013
Democracynow org wrote:
<quoted text>
I would rather live my life as if there is a God, and die to find out there isn't, than live my life as if there isn't, and die to find out there is.
Moses gets credit for the first five books of the old testament.
In actuality the Scriptures were written by the Holy Spirit through Humankind.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
Cain ( is the first child of Eve,[29] the first murderer, and the first human being to fall under a curse.[6]
According to the biblical narrative in Genesis 4:1-16, Cain treacherously murdered his brother Abel, lied about the murder to God, and as a result was cursed and marked for life.[6] With the earth left cursed to drink Abel's blood, Cain was no longer able to farm the land.[30] Exegesis of the Hebrew narrative has Cain punished as a "fugitive and wanderer"
=======
Matthew 7:7
7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.
Can YOU Jacques, create the Sun? the Moon? the Stars? Galaxies? all LIFE?
=========
The Devil tempted Adam and Eve NOT GOD.
You also have it wrong about Cain and Abel.
I will just suggest this to you.
I admire your thought process and know you have an open mind.
JESUS will meet you anytime, anywhere, day or night.
All you have to do is ask HIM with a sincere heart.
Population bottleneck analysis of the human genome has revealed that humans emerged as a group, thousands of them. There was never a population bottleneck as extreme as a single mating pair. The single mating pair story is exactly that, a story.

The DNA evidence from both the human genome and the chimpanzee genome unequivocally establishes that both species are descended from a common ancestor. The biblical account of first humans being immortal but who became mortal after 'sin' is simply busted. If there were a first human, whether you call that person Adam or Eve, all of their cousins, brothers, sisters, and clan members were non-human? And Adam's mother was not human? Nonsense. The data makes it a dead cinch conclusion. The born immortal Adam and Eve first human mating pair story is a myth.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#159478 Jun 13, 2013
Casper wrote:
<quoted text>The point is!!! The people of the US has raised this point and all we have gotten is a fraudulent LFBC!!!
The reality is “the people” twice elected Obama POTUS meaning whatever issue you have is strictly a personal one and what’s more a losing one.

Your folly has never made any sense to rational people and it never will so I suggest you get over it and try to focus on something real for a change.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159481 Jun 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
2...
and God plays with the devil, that very devil that HE banished to hell after they revolted against HIM? Plays games and bets with him on Adam and Eve and Job? Are you serious? I thought Satan burned and suffered for eternity. Does he get a break when he gets together to play games with God?
The devil, and of course, these are fables, we have to take some nutty unknown prophet's word for it, was allowed to tempt Adam and Eve. Why am I writing this? It's all so Santa Claus-like.
Anyhow, a man , a woman who lead a good life, do good unto others, are children of God, believers or not. I'll take my chances, but I don't intend to reveal what I do or do not believe, except for religion, as I don't know of one good one. ALL religions have succeeded in disrespecting the very God or Jesus or Mohamad or Krishna or Jawheh that they say is their God.
You emit negativity in all directions. I'm sure you're a real pleasure to be around. Dull, bitter, angry and self-centered, what a combination! Very ugly indeed.
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159483 Jun 13, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Kentucky Loser is still fixated on meaningless Internet images.
L O L O L O L O L
Hey, at least you finally came around! LMAO!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#159484 Jun 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Population bottleneck analysis of the human genome has revealed that humans emerged as a group, thousands of them. There was never a population bottleneck as extreme as a single mating pair. The single mating pair story is exactly that, a story.
The DNA evidence from both the human genome and the chimpanzee genome unequivocally establishes that both species are descended from a common ancestor. The biblical account of first humans being immortal but who became mortal after 'sin' is simply busted. If there were a first human, whether you call that person Adam or Eve, all of their cousins, brothers, sisters, and clan members were non-human? And Adam's mother was not human? Nonsense. The data makes it a dead cinch conclusion. The born immortal Adam and Eve first human mating pair story is a myth.
You're quite amusing, quite stupid and naive but amusing none the less! LMAO
Nazrat

Mcdonough, GA

#159485 Jun 13, 2013
Ed Snowden voted for Obama..... twice!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159486 Jun 13, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You emit negativity in all directions. I'm sure you're a real pleasure to be around. Dull, bitter, angry and self-centered, what a combination! Very ugly indeed.
No, slug. I think God, whoever he is, is not the tyrant the Bible makes him out to be. All murders, rapes, wars, torture have been blamed on him, on "his intervention". Not so. Man is evil and God is not, he just gets the blame. You don't get it do you? I say God is good, man is often bad. YOU say God is bad, and man is mostly good. You are not very knowledgeable in this area, best you keep quiet and go light some candles.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159487 Jun 13, 2013
wojar wrote:

<quoted text>
Population bottleneck analysis of the human genome has revealed that humans emerged as a group, thousands of them. There was never a population bottleneck as extreme as a single mating pair. The single mating pair story is exactly that, a story.
The DNA evidence from both the human genome and the chimpanzee genome unequivocally establishes that both species are descended from a common ancestor. The biblical account of first humans being immortal but who became mortal after 'sin' is simply busted. If there were a first human, whether you call that person Adam or Eve, all of their cousins, brothers, sisters, and clan members were non-human? And Adam's mother was not human? Nonsense. The data makes it a dead cinch conclusion. The born immortal Adam and Eve first human mating pair story is a myth.
Justice LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You're quite amusing, quite stupid and naive but amusing none the less! LMAO
The typical schoolyard bully answer who does not understand one iota of what he just attempted to read LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).

As I've often said, and I repeat :

Albert Einstein : "Yes, class, E=MC2 "

Justice ha ha LRS raises hand

Albert Einstein : "Yes, justice ha ha LRS"?

Justice ha ha LRS : "Dumbazzbastard buttflapper"

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159488 Jun 13, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
Ed Snowden voted for Obama..... twice!
So? Twice in the same election or once each in 2008 and 2012?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#159489 Jun 13, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
Ed Snowden voted for Obama..... twice!
Er, source, please. Should be easy , you STATED he voted twice for Obama, not "I think or I believe or I've heard he voted..."

Let's have it please. And no chain pulling or red herring , that is both puerile and stupid.

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