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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#157303 May 28, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Here, explain this.
This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are (((foreigners, aliens))), who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons.
Just how are foreigners and aliens born in the US that aren't not members of ambassadors/ministers families.
All you have to do is look at Obama, he was born a citizen of his father's country of origin, since his father was an alien with no intentions of making the US his naturalized country.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
So does Dufus Dale now flip-flop and conclude that the 14th Amendment would have made persons born in the US of European immigrants not citizens even though they had been previously considered citizens before passage of the amendment?
BTW, if Dufus Dale had a reading comprehension ability over grade 2 he would realize that his quote refers to children of ambassadors as born aliens, and not children of ordinary aliens. Every court that has ever ruled on the issue understands English. Poor Dufus Dale does not.
<quoted text>
For illiterate birfoons I must issue a sarcasm alert:

“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).

Dufus Dale's problem is that his heroes, Jacob Howard, Lyman Trumbull, and John Bingham all believed that persons born of ordinary aliens had always been born citizens of the US and that the 14th Amendment would not change that aspect of the citizenship rule. They all said so. They didn't believe in Play Law and neither did the state or federal courts.

“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)

“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States AS WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]

Sorry Dufus.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#157304 May 28, 2013
LaVerne Mitchell wrote:
Are people still talking and arguing about this? Really? Sounds like anyone still fighting about this is a immature baby, what's done is done, he is already on his second term, lol. If your not part of the solution, then your the problem and Will continue to be the problem. Maybe we should start a rumor Bush is gay, an alcoholic and was born in russia, don't care what anyone says , it's true, lol. Sounds like some kids I know, mine mine mine,
So, I guess it doesn't matter that Ted Cruz was born in Canada???
Glad, now I am happy!
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#157306 May 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
SMEllen1 wrote:
Re: "There is a college student card stating that Obama attended college as a Foreign exchange student."
That is a FORGED student card. Neither the student cards of Occidental or Columbia show on them whether or not students are foreign.
<quoted text>
I wonder what social security number he used at college as "999" prefixes are assigned to .... foreign students!
No SSN is apparent.
Looks very real to me and Obama has never said that it was fraudulent either.
Have a look.
https://www.google.com/search...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157307 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
For illiterate birfoons I must issue a sarcasm alert:
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
Dufus Dale's problem is that his heroes, Jacob Howard, Lyman Trumbull, and John Bingham all believed that persons born of ordinary aliens had always been born citizens of the US and that the 14th Amendment would not change that aspect of the citizenship rule. They all said so. They didn't believe in Play Law and neither did the state or federal courts.
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States AS WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]
Sorry Dufus.
LMAO!!!

Sen. Johnson, speaking on the Senate floor, offers his comments and understanding of the proposed new amendment to the constitution:

[Now], all this amendment [citizenship clause] provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power--for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us--shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born to parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States (US Constitution).[4]
LMAO!!! Now we all know that aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, since they are subject to the jurisdiction of their country of origin, this is why we make treaties with their countries.

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#157308 May 28, 2013
WSJ Editorial Board Member: Obama Scandals Worse Than Watergate - 5/21/2013
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CBS News Admits FEMA Camps Are Real
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2012/11/12/...

Obama lies about Auschwitz - Not a 'gaffe', just an outright 'lie'
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Flashback: Obama targeted auto dealerships for political, racial reasons
http://www.examiner.com/article/flashback-oba...

The Judge has been on a roll. Catch her Sat nights at 9 on FOX
http://www.fiscalconservatives.com/videos/Sjw...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#157309 May 28, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!
Sen. Johnson, speaking on the Senate floor, offers his comments and understanding of the proposed new amendment to the constitution:
[Now], all this amendment [citizenship clause] provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power--for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us--shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born to parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States (US Constitution).[4]
LMAO!!! Now we all know that aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, since they are subject to the jurisdiction of their country of origin, this is why we make treaties with their countries.
Sorry, the fact that aliens in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is settled law. Play law doesn't count.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
For illiterate birfoons I must issue a sarcasm alert:
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
Dufus Dale's problem is that his heroes, Jacob Howard, Lyman Trumbull, and John Bingham all believed that persons born of ordinary aliens had always been born citizens of the US and that the 14th Amendment would not change that aspect of the citizenship rule. They all said so. They didn't believe in Play Law and neither did the state or federal courts.
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States AS WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]
Sorry Dufus.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157310 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
For illiterate birfoons I must issue a sarcasm alert:
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
Dufus Dale's problem is that his heroes, Jacob Howard, Lyman Trumbull, and John Bingham all believed that persons born of ordinary aliens had always been born citizens of the US and that the 14th Amendment would not change that aspect of the citizenship rule. They all said so. They didn't believe in Play Law and neither did the state or federal courts.
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States AS WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]
Sorry Dufus.
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)

LMAO!!! Who are family members if not thoses born of family members, they would be natural born family members, not adopted family members.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#157311 May 28, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
LMAO!!! Who are family members if not thoses born of family members, they would be natural born family members, not adopted family members.
Sorry, but Play Law is child's play. Dufus Dale's "family members" analogy is not germane. He needs to get a life.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
For illiterate birfoons I must issue a sarcasm alert:
“Is not the child born in this country of German parents a citizen? I am afraid we have got very few citizens in some of the counties of good old Pennsylvania if the children born of German parents are not citizens.”-Senator Lyman Trumbull, Cong. Globe 39th, 1st Sess 498 (1866).
Dufus Dale's problem is that his heroes, Jacob Howard, Lyman Trumbull, and John Bingham all believed that persons born of ordinary aliens had always been born citizens of the US and that the 14th Amendment would not change that aspect of the citizenship rule. They all said so. They didn't believe in Play Law and neither did the state or federal courts.
“Who are natural-born citizens but those born within the republic? Those born within the Republic, whether black or white, are citizens by birth—natural-born citizens.” John Bingham, Cong. Globe 37th Cong., 2nd Sess. 1639 (1862)
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born within the jurisdiction of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States AS WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]
Sorry Dufus.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157312 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, the fact that aliens in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is settled law. Play law doesn't count.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! Sorry, aliens are not "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" (US Constitution), if they were they would be called citizens and enjoy all of the rights provided by the Constitution.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157313 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, the fact that aliens in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is settled law. Play law doesn't count.
<quoted text>
Not only would they enjoy all the rights of the Constitution, they would also be taxed with the Constitution as citizens are. Now that would go over really well if they were conscripted to fight against their country of origin against their will.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#157314 May 28, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!
Sen. Johnson, speaking on the Senate floor, offers his comments and understanding of the proposed new amendment to the constitution:
[Now], all this amendment [citizenship clause] provides is, that all persons born in the United States and not subject to some foreign Power--for that, no doubt, is the meaning of the committee who have brought the matter before us--shall be considered as citizens of the United States. That would seem to be not only a wise but a necessary provision. If there are to be citizens of the United States there should be some certain definition of what citizenship is, what has created the character of citizen as between himself and the United States, and the amendment says that citizenship may depend upon birth, and I know of no better way to give rise to citizenship than the fact of birth within the territory of the United States, born to parents who at the time were subject to the authority of the United States (US Constitution).[4]
LMAO!!! Now we all know that aliens have never been "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, since they are subject to the jurisdiction of their country of origin, this is why we make treaties with their countries.
Sen. Johnson's personal opinion is no more controlling than Yogi Berra's.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#157315 May 28, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Sorry, aliens are not "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" (US Constitution), if they were they would be called citizens and enjoy all of the rights provided by the Constitution.
Fantasy Law doesn't count.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, the fact that aliens in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States is settled law. Play law doesn't count.
<quoted text>
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157316 May 28, 2013
slojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, but Play Law is child's play. Dufus Dale's "family members" analogy is not germane. He needs to get a life.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! You need to understand The US Constitution, if you are going to live here.
Well I see the "Play Law" card has been presented, guess you have run-out of things to say.
Catch you latter, SLOJAR!!!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157317 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sen. Johnson's personal opinion is no more controlling than Yogi Berra's.
LMAO!!!! Looks like Johnson has more understanding about the Citizenship Clause than you do!!!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157318 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Fantasy Law doesn't count.
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! Now it is "Fantasy Law"!!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#157319 May 28, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Now it is "Fantasy Law"!!!!
Evidently Play Justice Dale prefers 'Play Law'.

Who cares?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Fantasy Law doesn't count.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#157320 May 28, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Evidently Play Justice Dale prefers 'Play Law'.
Who cares?
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! You are right, who really gives a shit what you say!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157321 May 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
So if you know that someone murdered your mom, when would you stop looking for evidence?
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Was he talking about murder? Is Obama accused of murder? Oh, that's right, the two FBI agents who, according to your beloved Pravda, were killed. They didn't die in an accident, no, they were killed.
To sloooowwwww tooooooo caatttcccccchhhhhh thheeee analogy, is't ya. You have a subnormal CQ!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157322 May 28, 2013
If this doesn't cheer you up, nothing will.....
You know the honeymoon is over,when the comedians start.

The liberals are asking us to give Obama time.
We agree...and think 25 to life would be
appropriate.
--Jay Leno

America needs Obama-care like Nancy
Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.
--Jay Leno

Q: Have you heard about McDonald's'
new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you
has to pay for it.
--Conan O'Brien

Q: What does Barack Obama call
lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser.
--Jay Leno

Q: What's the difference between
Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers,
and threats to society. The other is for housing
prisoners.
--David Letterman

Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were
on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it
started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America !
--Jimmy Fallon

Q: What's the difference between
Obama and his dog, Bo?
A: Bo has papers.
--Jimmy Kimmel

Q: What was the most positive result
of the "Cash for Clunkers" program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper
stickers off the road.
--David Letterman

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#157323 May 28, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, Clinton did not balance any budget unless you consider it that he signed Newt's bill into law.
Now, can you tell us what Obama has done to balance the budget's?
Oh, the Housing Mortgage crisis and the subsequent bank failure were caused by Carters Urban Reinvestment Act of 1977 and Clinton's acts that made it real easy to sue banks who turned down people who applied for those mortgages. Banks never would have made Zero-down, Sub-prime loans unless they were forced to.
Have you noticed that Government Motors has been doing Zero-down, Sub-prime car loans for about nine months now? And why shouldn't they? Well, Obama will just bail them out again, right??? Who will YOU blame then???
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You wrote, AGAIN : "Oh, the Housing Mortgage crisis and the subsequent bank failure were caused by Carters Urban Reinvestment Act of 1977 and Clinton's acts that made it real easy to sue banks who turned down people who applied for those mortgages. Banks never would have made Zero-down, Sub-prime loans unless they were forced to."
I've debunked that at least five times in the last 3 months, and you never ever respond. What you do is come back with it every now and then, as if it had never surfaced. Carter was 35 years ago, and it worked fine until GWB and Greenspan came along. When people burn the red lights and have accidents, do you blame the traffic lights?
Banks were forced? Are you mad? Forced to accept to lend money to overvalued house owners without ascertaining if they even had a job, what they earned when they did and no credit check? THAT's what Carter and Clinton had in mind? As I said, it worked fine until GWB came along.
Only in your sick mind have you debunked anything I've posted.
Oh, a lawyer by the name of Barack Obama represented over 200 home loan applicants and they sued the banks. The banks settled out of court as they knew they would lose under the existing laws, they paid off Obama and his clients got their loans. Fast forward to 2008 an only 18 of his clients were still living in their homes. The rest have been foreclosed upon or sold short.

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