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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Wong was ruled to be a "Citizen" nothing more.
"The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States."- United States v. Wong Kim Ark
"Vattel, who, though not very full to this point, is more explicit and more satisfactory on it than any other whose work has fallen into my hands, says
"The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.""- The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)
Answer: Here are the words of the Wong Kim Arm ruling:

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It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."

As you can see, the words state that the US Supreme Court ruled that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen came from the common law ("by the law of England for the last three centuries"). And the ruling says that EVERY child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen, except for the children of foreign diplomats. And the ruling says that the same rule applied in England, and in the 13 colonies, and in the early states, and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

So, the Wong Kim Ark ruling really did define the meaning of Natural Born Citizen---even though it did not say that Wong Kim Ark was a Natural Born Citizen (It didn't have to; it was a citizenship ruling on the issue of whether Wong was a citizen or not.) But it did define the term. You say that it didn't? Well, TEN appeals courts say that it did. For example:

Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling:“Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling:“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

Bingham ALSO said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen referred to the place of birth, and in fact he did.

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Everyone already knows that Bill Clinton is a leper.
No need to read his memoir.
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Conservatives are hard at it giving our president a hard time. They even threatened this when Obame just won re-election!. Conservatives accuse Obama of using the IRS to target conservative groups yet rotten conservatives have no problem with the IRS targeting poor groups!!!. Poor people gets audited more then aneyone does despite the fact that the poor cannot cheat on their taxes since their tax-forms and income is straight-forward and you have to put each dependents social security number down. Like I sais, Conservatives just want to give Obama a hard time. And Obama can't do His job because of this. Conservatives are rotten, selfish and callous!!!.
What evidence do you have that REPUBLICANS used the IRS to target anyone? Nixon only talked about it!
Oh, poor people are most likely NOT to file their income tax form! Maybe that is why they are audited!!!
And you are a slimy troll!!!
Oh, one more comment. You can tell when Libtards trolls are getting worried when they start to crawl out of their caves to dump their honey pots in the road!
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Rogue,
Everyone already knows that Bill Clinton is a leper.
No need to read his memoir.
loose
But his daddy got junior out from having to go to Vietnam while Ald Gore and John Kerry volunteered.
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Most in Congress DO NOT BELIEVE in the US Constitution.
If they did, they would have impeached:
LBJ for lying about the Gulf of Tonkin.
Nixon for Watergate.
Reagan/Bush for Iran/Contra.
Bush/Cheney for WMD in Iraq.
Wake Up And Smell The Coffee.
Forthwith.
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<quoted text>Agree, care if I use this?
It is not against the law to lie ..... unless you do so in court!!!

Clinton was NOT impeached for lying to the American people. He was impeached for PERJURY!!!
Reagan/Bush did not lie about Iran-Contra. But Caspar Weinberger, William Casey (died before being indicted), Robert C. McFarlane, Elliott Abrams, Alan D. Fiers, Clair George Chief of Covert, Oliver North, Fawn Hall (given immunity), Jonathan Scott Royster, John Poindexter,Duane Clarridge Richard V. Secord and Albert Hakim A businessman were indicted.
And neither Bush or Cheney lied about WMD and you can not prove they did!!!
Wake Up And Smell The TEA!
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Conservatives are hard at it giving our president a hard time. They even threatened this when Obame just won re-election!. Conservatives accuse Obama of using the IRS to target conservative groups yet rotten conservatives have no problem with the IRS targeting poor groups!!!. Poor people gets audited more then aneyone does despite the fact that the poor cannot cheat on their taxes since their tax-forms and income is straight-forward and you have to put each dependents social security number down. Like I sais, Conservatives just want to give Obama a hard time. And Obama can't do His job because of this. Conservatives are rotten, selfish and callous!!!.
Translation: those dastardly Republicans aren't addicted to that Obama ASS-CRACK like you SHEEPLE so it's all their fault, huh?

You LIE because you are STUPID and do not want to admit the truth!

There is a birth certificate from Kenya, NEVER proven to be fraudulent.

There is a bio published by Obama's Literary Agent claiming that he was born in Kenya.

There is a college student card stating that Obama attended college as a Foreign exchange student.

There are clearly fraudulent US birth certificates.

That is NOT evidence of a US birth!

SHEEPLE rely on their feelings to ascertain as fact that Obama is U.S.-born.

“This is the strangest thing…the pResident has never produced evidence in the face of substantial evidence he was not born in our country,” said Judge Moore.
C'mon sweet home Alabama!

Why can't the SHEEPLE explain why Obama is the only person known to have a Hawaiian birth certificate with a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp?
Would that be because Hawaii DOH did not issue that document?

Why can't the SHEEPLE explain why Obama's long form birth certificate does not have a raised visible embossed seal?
Would that be because Hawaii DOH did not issue that document?

Why can't the SHEEPLE admit that this eligibility issue is a Cancer On The pResidency?

SHEEPLE have no credibility.
Fantasies have explanations about why they are not real, and you have NONE!
YOU have no credibility, SHEEPLE!

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<quoted text>Thank You Rogue,many of us who wouldnt have thought to before will make it a point of honor to vote for Hillary and buy her and Bill's books...we may buy two copies each.
Hopefully ACORN will be back on its feet so we can vote for Hillary multiple times as well as I know all you Neo Cons are convinced we do anyway.
That is funny as you have no idea what a Neocon is!!! But then again you are probably a neo-intellectual!

Neoconservatism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Neoconservatism is an intellectual movement born in the 1960s inside the monthly review Commentary; Commentary is the journal of the American Jewish Committee, which replaced the Contemporary Jewish Record in 1945.

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Isn't it funny how Libtards call us Neocon, Nazis, Fascists, etc. and they have no idea what they are talking about and often times they are the Nazis, Fascists. etc.

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Brimis wrote:
Conservatives are hard at it giving our president a hard time. They even threatened this when Obame just won re-election!. Conservatives accuse Obama of using the IRS to target conservative groups yet rotten conservatives have no problem with the IRS targeting poor groups!!!. Poor people gets audited more then aneyone does despite the fact that the poor cannot cheat on their taxes since their tax-forms and income is straight-forward and you have to put each dependents social security number down. Like I sais, Conservatives just want to give Obama a hard time. And Obama can't do His job because of this. Conservatives are rotten, selfish and callous!!!.
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Translation: those dastardly Republicans aren't addicted to that Obama ASS-CRACK like you SHEEPLE so it's all their fault, huh?
You LIE because you are STUPID and do not want to admit the truth!
There is a birth certificate from Kenya, NEVER proven to be fraudulent.
There is a bio published by Obama's Literary Agent claiming that he was born in Kenya.
There is a college student card stating that Obama attended college as a Foreign exchange student.
There are clearly fraudulent US birth certificates.
That is NOT evidence of a US birth!
SHEEPLE rely on their feelings to ascertain as fact that Obama is U.S.-born.
“This is the strangest thing…the pResident has never produced evidence in the face of substantial evidence he was not born in our country,” said Judge Moore.
C'mon sweet home Alabama!
Why can't the SHEEPLE explain why Obama is the only person known to have a Hawaiian birth certificate with a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp?
Would that be because Hawaii DOH did not issue that document?
Why can't the SHEEPLE explain why Obama's long form birth certificate does not have a raised visible embossed seal?
Would that be because Hawaii DOH did not issue that document?
Why can't the SHEEPLE admit that this eligibility issue is a Cancer On The pResidency?
SHEEPLE have no credibility.
Fantasies have explanations about why they are not real, and you have NONE!
YOU have no credibility, SHEEPLE!
Brimis is a won hit wonder and we will probably never here from him again. It seems the deeper SS Obama sinks, more the rats come out bilge and try to save him.
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Here are sources to turn to for further research:
You NEVER include Minor v Happersett!
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/histori...
Would it be because it says this???

it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their [p168] parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.

YOU have no credibility, SHEEPLE!
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Nine days ago it was revealed that Obama's IRS had been targeted 298 groups affiliated with the TEA Party movement but by Monday that had increased to about 3,000 which also included Jewish groups who were pro-Israel and groups that identified themselves as "patriots". And now it is over 6,000 groups as Obama's IRS has also been targeting pro-life and pro-traditional marriage organizations as well'
Meanwhile they STOPPED targeting Muslim groups that had been funnelling money to Islamic groups that are associated with TERRORISM!!!
Yep. Obama is PRO-MUSLIM and ANTI-Jew and ANTI-Christian.
Hey hey, what'd ya say, Obama's gotta go today!!!
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That is funny as you have no idea what a Neocon is!!! But then again you are probably a neo-intellectual!
Neoconservatism
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Neoconservatism is an intellectual movement born in the 1960s inside the monthly review Commentary; Commentary is the journal of the American Jewish Committee, which replaced the Contemporary Jewish Record in 1945.
But you don't look Jewish.
Now this guy was a Jew!
http://www.google.com/imgres...

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But you don't look Jewish.
Now this guy was a Jew!
http://www.google.com/imgres...
What a find. A black Jew. Double the obsession for the prioe of one.

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Here are the words of the Wong Kim Ark ruling:
I already posted the ruling, and no matter how you twist it, the court in it's declaration simply stated Wong was a citizen.

""The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States."- United States v. Wong Kim Ark

If you would like to see where the SCOTUS has in fact ruled someone a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" one must look to a case where BOTH parents where US CITIZENS at the time of birth:

"The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants(Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U. S. 227), declared Miss Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States," and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants."-Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)

See the difference Ellen?

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Nasrat wrote:
Nine days ago it was revealed that Obama's IRS had been targeted 298 groups affiliated with the TEA Party movement but by Monday that had increased to about 3,000 which also included Jewish groups who were pro-Israel and groups that identified themselves as "patriots". And now it is over 6,000 groups as Obama's IRS has also been targeting pro-life and pro-traditional marriage organizations as well'
Meanwhile they STOPPED targeting Muslim groups that had been funnelling money to Islamic groups that are associated with TERRORISM!!!
Yep. Obama is PRO-MUSLIM and ANTI-Jew and ANTI-Christian.
Hey hey, what'd ya say, Obama's gotta go today!!!
Rogue, aka Nasrat, has deemed Obama to be " PRO-MUSLIM and ANTI-Jew and ANTI-Christian". Coming from one insecure birther, tea partyer and faux patriot who requires multiple monikers, we would be forgiven if we took it with a grain of salt.

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Hummmm, wasn't back in 1968 that the Libtard guys started to burn draft cards and the Libtard gals burned their bras?

Milwaukee backs off bra ban for historic bar
By CARRIE ANTLFINGER | Associated Press – Fri, May 17, 2013

MILWAUKEE (AP)— A historic Milwaukee bowling alley and bar almost went without the appropriate support after a city inspector decided dozens of bras hanging from its ceiling were a fire hazard.
Holler House owner Marcy Skowronski said she and some of her friends started the tradition 45 years ago, when they had a few drinks and threw their bras onto skis hanging from the bar's ceiling.
They've amassed dozens of all sizes and colors over the years, even replacing old bras with new ones at the bar's 100th anniversary five years ago. Many times people sign and date the bras or leave notes on them.
But an inspector that visited in April apparently wasn't as accepting of the tradition. She said the bras were a fire hazard and Skowronski needed to take them down.
"They've been hanging there for 45 years," Skowronski said Friday. "I had inspectors here for 45 years. Every year they come and nobody's said anything."
The 87-year-old great-grandmother, who has worked at the bar for 59 years, went to the city Tuesday to appeal but missed the deadline. So her son-in-law took the bras down for fear they would get a fine, which according to the official inspection order can run from $150 to $10,000 a day.
Taking the bras down made Skowronski even more frustrated. She called a Milwaukee Journal Sentinel columnist, hoping publicity would help, and her alderman, Bob Donovan. Donovan made some calls, and within a day the city backed down.
"Long story short, common sense prevailed and the city backed down," Donovan said.
"We're going to have a rehang the bras party over there and perhaps charge at the door," he added. "And any money we are able to bring in, the proceeds will go to buying a little common sense for the Department of Neighborhood Services."
Besides the bras, the bar started by Skowronski's in-laws in 1908 is also known for its two downstairs bowling alleys, which are the oldest certified in America according to its sign.
http://news.yahoo.com/milwaukee-backs-off-bra...

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I already posted the ruling, and no matter how you twist it, the court in it's declaration simply stated Wong was a citizen.
""The evident intention, and the necessary effect, of the submission of this case to the decision of the court upon the facts agreed by the parties were to present for determination the single question stated at the beginning of this opinion, namely, whether a child born in the United States, of parent of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States."- United States v. Wong Kim Ark
If you would like to see where the SCOTUS has in fact ruled someone a "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN" one must look to a case where BOTH parents where US CITIZENS at the time of birth:
"The court below, properly recognizing the existence of an actual controversy with the defendants(Aetna Life Ins. Co. v. Haworth, 300 U. S. 227), declared Miss Elg "to be a natural born citizen of the United States," and we think that the decree should include the Secretary of State as well as the other defendants."-Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
See the difference Ellen?
I deem Ellen to be right. Why? Her judgement is based on jurisprudence and both letter and spirit of the law.

I deem you to be wrong. Why? Your judgement is based on an obsessive hatred of the president, said hatred having no basis of law.

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