BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#156264 May 19, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Ah Al Gore Junior was a junior and G.H. Bush was not. Oh, did you know Al Gore Senior was a Dixiecrat and a member of the KKK?
And "Since 2001, energy corporations have showered federal politicians with $115 million in campaign contributions—with three-quarters of that amount going to Republicans" while during that same period of time TRADE UNIONS gave $230 millions to Democrats?
But to you Corporations are evil while the Teamsters, AFL/CIO, SEIU, etc. are good?!?
The Unions sold out to the corrupt corporate Democrats.

But remember Ebenezer Rogue, it was the Unions who gave us an 8 hour work, benefits, pensions, days off, vacations, etc. etc. etc.

If the Republican party had their way WE ALL would be slaves to the CEOs who own most of Congress.

OH WAIT A MINUTE, WE ARE ALREADY SLAVES.

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Bill Clinton: The Great Deregulator
September 10, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/culdhuu
Bill Clinton bears as much responsibility as any politician for the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, and the wild applause for his disingenuous speech at the Democratic National Convention last week is a sure sign of the poverty of what passes for progressive politics.

Do those convention delegates, and the fawning media that were wowed by the former president’s rhetorical seductions, not recall that just before he left office Clinton signed off on the game-changing legislation that ended the sensible rules imposed on Wall Street during the Great Depression? It was Clinton who cooperated with the Republicans in reversing the legacy of FDR’s New Deal, opening the floodgates of unfettered avarice that almost drowned the world’s economy during the reign of George W. Bush.

How convenient to ignore the Financial Services Modernization Act, which Clinton signed into law to summarily end the Glass-Steagall barrier against the commingling of investment and commercial banking. Do the Democrats not remember that Citigroup, the first too-big-to-fail bank made legal by the law Clinton signed, became the $15 million employer of Robert Rubin, the Clinton treasury secretary who led the fight for the law that legalized the creation of Citigroup? Or that Citigroup—led by Sanford Weill, to whom Clinton gave one of the souvenir pens he used to approve that onerous legislation—went on to be a major player in the subprime mortgage swindles and had to be bailed out with more than $50 billion of taxpayer funds?
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/09/10-5...
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#156265 May 19, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey Linktv org, How much money did the following trade unions give to Democrats? Republicans?
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.p...
It looks like they gave over 90% of their money to .... Democrats!
Get this in your thick scull my friend.

For the most part Democrats are not liberal and Republicans are not conservative.

12 years of Reagan/Bush and 8 years of Bush/Cheney increased the size of government with the GREATEST DEFICIS in history.

YOUR SMALL GOVERNMENT IS A MYTH.

WAKE UP.
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#156266 May 19, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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I bet you can not qualify even one point you mentioned about. Like Bush bailed out Wall Street. Exactly what did Bush do to bail out Wall Street!!! The Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008 was a DEMOCRAT initiative passed by Congress just one month before the election of 2008.
"In the House Democrats voted 172 to 63 in favor of the legislation, while Republicans voted 108 to 91 against it." While in the Senate 41 Democrats voted for it while only 34 Republicans did. Bush was put between a rock and a hard spot if he did not sign it into law. So don't blame Bush on a DEMOCRAT INITIATIVE!!!
By the way, all your other points are the same, all wishy washy!!!
Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Econom...
Your killing me with laughter. LOL

My stuff is wishy washy?

YOU ARE THE ONE who believes Obama is a communist Muslim born in Kenya.

LOL

P.S. Bush and Cheney had 8 years to undo Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act and did absolutely nothing about it.

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McCain guru linked to subprime crisis / Republican Phil Gramm
3/28/08 / http://tinyurl.com/2ujo9b
The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil.

“A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed,” the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech.“But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework.”
Gramm’s role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices didn’t stop there.

A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.

Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.

During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.

For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more then $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/924...
Linktv org

Sayville, NY

#156268 May 19, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Dems ARE better if they are the lesser of two evils.
Obama did not start those two costly and disastrous wars, the Iraq one based on lies. I think he did pretty well with what he inherited, out of Iraq, soon, Afghanistan. And, as per Vietnam, the "bad guys", the enemy fought for over 12 years, will take over. All will have been for naught. Not Obama's words, "Mission accomplished". As for bailing out Wall street, and not Main street, yes, that is kinda hard to digest. BUT, the first bailout, the big one, occurred in November 2008, under GWB. And, was there a choice but to bail out the crooks if not only to save millions of jobs and avoid defaulting? You use the words "lesser evil". Well, I think bailing out the crooks was the lesser evil. And, what is "bailing out Main street"? Even the billions shelled out would've amounted to few thousand dollars per individual, individuals with maybe $2000 but no job, nothing. Bailout was blackmail, under GWB, these banks, brokers, KNEW that their modus operandi was unsustainable. Since when do you lend hundreds of thousands of dollars without checking if mortgagee even has a job, or verifying credit rating? They KNEW they'd be bailed out. But remember, all this greed and theft was not done under Obama.
As to social legislation, i.e., unemployment benefits, social security, annual leave, sick leave, maternity leave, workers' rights, some weak form of medicare, civil rights, minimum wage, etc, who brought those in? The Republicans? Correct me if I'm wrong, I think not. him, as good a man as he was, for tossing his hat in the ring and indirectly giving the nod to GWB.
Very astute post Jacques and I do agree with your overall premises.

BUT:

Clinton / Gore swept all the crimes of Iran/Contra under the rug.

Obama / Biden swept all the crimes of the 8 months of warnings before September 11, 2001, Iraqi WMDs, Spying on Americans, Black sites, etc. etc. etc.

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Acting on Impeachment
by Ralph Nader July 28, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/23oxoh
Most readers of The Washington Post probably missed it. But probably not Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Fifty-six of his law school classmates (Harvard Law School, class of 1982) bought space for an open letter in mid-May that excoriated his “cavalier handling of our freedoms time and again.”
It read like an indictment, to wit:

“Witness your White House memos sweeping aside the Geneva Conventions to justify torture, endangering our own servicemen and women;
“Witness your advice to the President effectively reading Habeas Corpus out of our constitutional protections;

“Witness your support of presidential statements claiming inherent power to wiretap American citizens without warrants (and the Administration’s stepped-up wiretapping campaign, taking advantage of those statements, which continues on your watch to this day); and
“Witness your dismissive explanation of the troubling firings of numerous U.S. Attorneys, and their replacement with other more ‘loyal’ to the President’s politics, as merely ‘an overblown personal matter.’
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/2...

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Justice Dept. Appoints Special Prosecutor After Report Faults Gonzales for US Attorney Firings / October 01, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/4stxfd
Attorney General Michael Mukasey has appointed a special prosecutor to continue the probe into whether political misconduct led to the firing of nine US attorneys. The move came after Justice Department investigation singled out Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for his conduct in the firings, accusing of him of “abdicating” his responsibility and questioning his faulty and evasive public statements. We speak to Murray Waas of the National Journal
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/1/justice...
Nazrat

Jacksonville, FL

#156270 May 19, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
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Bush and Cheney did not swear to tell the truth at the September 11, 2001 commission hearings because they learned from the mistakes of Bill Clinton.
Ollie North got immunity from the phony corrupt congress.
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Iran-Contra Felons Get Good Jobs from Dumbya Bush
http://tinyurl.com/ebx8
http://www.blythe.org/nytranzfer-subs/Central...
Oooops.links don't work!
By the way "Dubya Bush was not a politician during Iran-Contra!
And how did Obama's IRS agent in charge of nonprofits do? Oh, she got a bonus and a promotion. And all while engaged in criminal activity!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#156271 May 19, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Very astute post Jacques and I do agree with your overall premises.
BUT:
Clinton / Gore swept all the crimes of Iran/Contra under the rug.
Obama / Biden swept all the crimes of the 8 months of warnings before September 11, 2001, Iraqi WMDs, Spying on Americans, Black sites, etc. etc. etc.
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Acting on Impeachment
by Ralph Nader July 28, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/23oxoh
Most readers of The Washington Post probably missed it. But probably not Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Fifty-six of his law school classmates (Harvard Law School, class of 1982) bought space for an open letter in mid-May that excoriated his “cavalier handling of our freedoms time and again.”
It read like an indictment, to wit:
“Witness your White House memos sweeping aside the Geneva Conventions to justify torture, endangering our own servicemen and women;
“Witness your advice to the President effectively reading Habeas Corpus out of our constitutional protections;
“Witness your support of presidential statements claiming inherent power to wiretap American citizens without warrants (and the Administration’s stepped-up wiretapping campaign, taking advantage of those statements, which continues on your watch to this day); and
“Witness your dismissive explanation of the troubling firings of numerous U.S. Attorneys, and their replacement with other more ‘loyal’ to the President’s politics, as merely ‘an overblown personal matter.’
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/2...
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Justice Dept. Appoints Special Prosecutor After Report Faults Gonzales for US Attorney Firings / October 01, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/4stxfd
Attorney General Michael Mukasey has appointed a special prosecutor to continue the probe into whether political misconduct led to the firing of nine US attorneys. The move came after Justice Department investigation singled out Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for his conduct in the firings, accusing of him of “abdicating” his responsibility and questioning his faulty and evasive public statements. We speak to Murray Waas of the National Journal
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/1/justice...
You wrote : Clinton / Gore swept all the crimes of Iran/Contra under the rug.

Obama / Biden swept all the crimes of the 8 months of warnings before September 11, 2001, Iraqi WMDs, Spying on Americans, Black sites, etc. etc. etc.

No denying that Obama/Biden did just that, L. They just followed tradition, as every other pres/vp had done in the past. Except for criticism of predecessors' policies IN GENERAL, presidents in office rarely criticize their predecessors or not at all. Otherwise, Obama could've spent months criticizing GWB's two mandates.

I repeat, Dems and Repubs are dishonest,(they have no choice, beholden as they are to their "sponsors") and work tirelessly for "me, myself and I. But I still maintain that dems do have a thought now and then for the middle class and less fortunate, proof being the social legislation that they alone have pushed and through the years. Also, let's face it, and intellectually speaking, Repubs not in the same league as Dems. And Dem politicians are more interesting, bigger patrons of the arts. That's important to me, reveals an attractive side.
Nazrat

Jacksonville, FL

#156272 May 19, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Very astute post Jacques and I do agree with your overall premises.
BUT:
Clinton / Gore swept all the crimes of Iran/Contra under the rug.
Obama / Biden swept all the crimes of the 8 months of warnings before September 11, 2001, Iraqi WMDs, Spying on Americans, Black sites, etc. etc. etc.
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Acting on Impeachment
by Ralph Nader July 28, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/23oxoh
Most readers of The Washington Post probably missed it. But probably not Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. Fifty-six of his law school classmates (Harvard Law School, class of 1982) bought space for an open letter in mid-May that excoriated his “cavalier handling of our freedoms time and again.”
It read like an indictment, to wit:
“Witness your White House memos sweeping aside the Geneva Conventions to justify torture, endangering our own servicemen and women;
“Witness your advice to the President effectively reading Habeas Corpus out of our constitutional protections;
“Witness your support of presidential statements claiming inherent power to wiretap American citizens without warrants (and the Administration’s stepped-up wiretapping campaign, taking advantage of those statements, which continues on your watch to this day); and
“Witness your dismissive explanation of the troubling firings of numerous U.S. Attorneys, and their replacement with other more ‘loyal’ to the President’s politics, as merely ‘an overblown personal matter.’
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/07/2...
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Justice Dept. Appoints Special Prosecutor After Report Faults Gonzales for US Attorney Firings / October 01, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/4stxfd
Attorney General Michael Mukasey has appointed a special prosecutor to continue the probe into whether political misconduct led to the firing of nine US attorneys. The move came after Justice Department investigation singled out Attorney General Alberto Gonzales for his conduct in the firings, accusing of him of “abdicating” his responsibility and questioning his faulty and evasive public statements. We speak to Murray Waas of the National Journal
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/10/1/justice...
Ah chowderhead, The Geneva Accords do not address "illegal combatants" except to say that they are not covered under the Geneva Accords. To be covered by the Geneva Accords you first must be a "Legal Combatant" which means you 1) must represent a country and 2) be in an identifiable military uniform with rank!
Everyone of the Taliban and al Qaeda do not represent any country and they do not wear any uniform! Ergo, they are not protected by the Geneva Accords in any shape manner or form.
In other words, that guys at Harvard must have flunked out of the Geneva Accords class!
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#156273 May 19, 2013
Linktv org wrote:
<quoted text>
Get this in your thick scull my friend.
For the most part Democrats are not liberal and Republicans are not conservative.
12 years of Reagan/Bush and 8 years of Bush/Cheney increased the size of government with the GREATEST DEFICIS in history.
YOUR SMALL GOVERNMENT IS A MYTH.
WAKE UP.
"For the most part Democrats are not liberal and Republicans are not conservative". That's pretty much all I need to hear to move you into the spoon drawer. File? LMAO
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#156274 May 19, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
Nazrat wrote:
Nine days ago it was revealed that Obama's IRS had been targeted 298 groups affiliated with the TEA Party movement but by Monday that had increased to about 3,000 which also included Jewish groups who were pro-Israel and groups that identified themselves as "patriots". And now it is over 6,000 groups as Obama's IRS has also been targeting pro-life and pro-traditional marriage organizations as well'
Meanwhile they STOPPED targeting Muslim groups that had been funnelling money to Islamic groups that are associated with TERRORISM!!!
Yep. Obama is PRO-MUSLIM and ANTI-Jew and ANTI-Christian.
Hey hey, what'd ya say, Obama's gotta go today!!!
<quoted text>
Hummm, wonce again you attack the messenger because you do not have the intelligence to attack the message. How lame can you get?
Did you know that "Nasrat" is "Tarzan" in reverse!
I thought that, but it is spelled wrong.
It would actually be nazrat backwards.
Peace.
Nazrat

Jacksonville, FL

#156275 May 19, 2013

HOW THE BLACK FOLK BUILT THIS COUNTRY
THIS IS FOR ALL YOU RACISTS OUT THERE.
HOW THE BLACK FOLK HAS HELPED THE ECONOMY
What people don’t realize is how the black folk grew our economy higher than it could ever have grown without them.

Example:

When blacks moved into the white areas in the 60’s they acted like fools with their jiving and jacking around and the whites didn’t want to live around that shit, so they worked two jobs and sold their houses and moved away to the suburbs and built new houses and the forest and lumber industries grew and the hardware stores grew and millions of dollars surged into the economy building roads so the whites could get to and from work.

Then the blacks started robbing and stealing because they were unqualified for jobs because they jived around at school instead of learning and the whites had to buy replacement stuff and the economy grew even stronger.

Since the blacks were unemployed they started hanging around and drinking malt liquor and the malt liquor makers had to expand and add more workers so the economy grew stronger again.

The blacks started shooting people and the hospitals grew and new ones were built and more cops, nurses and doctors were required. People had to buy guard dogs and security alarm companies grew stronger.

Pet stores then sprung up everywhere to sell stuff for the guard dogs. Then the blacks were thrown into jail and new jails had to be built and more guards were hired and the economy grew even stronger than before.

Then the blacks went on welfare and the whites had to work harder to support them and the economy grew stronger.

Then the blacks bought fancy cars and the auto industry grew and TV makers were thrilled and whites bought guns and ammunition to keep the blacks out of their stuff so gun manufacturing jobs grew.

So you see, we owe a lot to the black folk, so stop being so prejudiced!




Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#156276 May 19, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Your way of abdicating as you can no longer defend your absurd theory. Thank you.
I have nothing to defend, the court was quite clear in its ruling.

Wong= Citizen
Elg= Natural Born Citizen

I am not the one who needs to create some fanatical debate over how the court said one thing but they really meant another.

Seriously puppet, you sound like Clinton arguing the definition of "is."

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#156277 May 19, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
HOW THE BLACK FOLK BUILT THIS COUNTRY
THIS IS FOR ALL YOU RACISTS OUT THERE.
HOW THE BLACK FOLK HAS HELPED THE ECONOMY
What people don’t realize is how the black folk grew our economy higher than it could ever have grown without them.
Example:
When blacks moved into the white areas in the 60’s they acted like fools with their jiving and jacking around and the whites didn’t want to live around that shit, so they worked two jobs and sold their houses and moved away to the suburbs and built new houses and the forest and lumber industries grew and the hardware stores grew and millions of dollars surged into the economy building roads so the whites could get to and from work.
Then the blacks started robbing and stealing because they were unqualified for jobs because they jived around at school instead of learning and the whites had to buy replacement stuff and the economy grew even stronger.
Since the blacks were unemployed they started hanging around and drinking malt liquor and the malt liquor makers had to expand and add more workers so the economy grew stronger again.
The blacks started shooting people and the hospitals grew and new ones were built and more cops, nurses and doctors were required. People had to buy guard dogs and security alarm companies grew stronger.
Pet stores then sprung up everywhere to sell stuff for the guard dogs. Then the blacks were thrown into jail and new jails had to be built and more guards were hired and the economy grew even stronger than before.
Then the blacks went on welfare and the whites had to work harder to support them and the economy grew stronger.
Then the blacks bought fancy cars and the auto industry grew and TV makers were thrilled and whites bought guns and ammunition to keep the blacks out of their stuff so gun manufacturing jobs grew.
So you see, we owe a lot to the black folk, so stop being so prejudiced!
Rogue : "Me racist?" Watcha talkin' about?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#156278 May 19, 2013
PS : A racist plagiarist to boot. And his racist birther ilk have given him high marks in the "judge it" category.
and then

United States

#156279 May 19, 2013
Nazrat wrote:
HOW THE BLACK FOLK BUILT THIS COUNTRY
THIS IS FOR ALL YOU RACISTS OUT THERE.
HOW THE BLACK FOLK HAS HELPED THE ECONOMY
What people don’t realize is how the black folk grew our economy higher than it could ever have grown without them.
Example:
When blacks moved into the white areas in the 60’s they acted like fools with their jiving and jacking around and the whites didn’t want to live around that shit, so they worked two jobs and sold their houses and moved away to the suburbs and built new houses and the forest and lumber industries grew and the hardware stores grew and millions of dollars surged into the economy building roads so the whites could get to and from work.
Then the blacks started robbing and stealing because they were unqualified for jobs because they jived around at school instead of learning and the whites had to buy replacement stuff and the economy grew even stronger.
Since the blacks were unemployed they started hanging around and drinking malt liquor and the malt liquor makers had to expand and add more workers so the economy grew stronger again.
The blacks started shooting people and the hospitals grew and new ones were built and more cops, nurses and doctors were required. People had to buy guard dogs and security alarm companies grew stronger.
Pet stores then sprung up everywhere to sell stuff for the guard dogs. Then the blacks were thrown into jail and new jails had to be built and more guards were hired and the economy grew even stronger than before.
Then the blacks went on welfare and the whites had to work harder to support them and the economy grew stronger.
Then the blacks bought fancy cars and the auto industry grew and TV makers were thrilled and whites bought guns and ammunition to keep the blacks out of their stuff so gun manufacturing jobs grew.
So you see, we owe a lot to the black folk, so stop being so prejudiced!
...when the blacks moved in white neighbourhoods, started to drive their junk cars on grass in front of nice houses. More and more started to look like junk yards. White people sold their houses under price and moved out...crime was high and still is. Young black kids out late at night, families don't care where their kids are.
Just look Inglewood before 1960s and look it today. Very sad! Chicago same...just blame all on white people and the problem "will go away"!!!!!
But, if there is no problem among blacks, how then Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton can blame all on white people and a slavery. They would not have job and manipulate their own people.
Rogue Scholar 05

Jacksonville, FL

#156280 May 19, 2013
This is probably the way it went down...

From a retired Navy Captain who lives in Hawaii:
CBA (Cross Border Authority)


The Benghazi debacle boils down to a single key factor - the granting or withholding of "cross-border authority." This opinion is informed by my experience as a Navy SEAL officer who took a NavSpecWar Detachment to Beirut.

Once the alarm is sent - in this case, from the consulate in Benghazi - dozens of HQs are notified and are in the planning loop in real time, including AFRICOM and EURCOM, both located in Germany. Without waiting for specific orders from Washington, they begin planning and executing rescue operations, including moving personnel, ships, and aircraft forward toward the location of the crisis. However, there is one thing they can't do without explicit orders from the president: cross an international border on a hostile mission.

That is the clear "red line" in this type of a crisis situation. No administration wants to stumble into a war because a jet jockey in hot pursuit (or a mixed-up SEAL squad in a rubber boat) strays into hostile territory. Because of this, only the president can give the order for our military to cross a nation's border without that nation's permission. For the Osama bin Laden mission, President Obama granted CBA for our forces to enter Pakistani airspace.

On the other side of the CBA coin: in order to prevent a
military rescue in Benghazi, all the President of the United States
"(POTUS)" has to do is not grant cross-border authority. If he does not, the entire rescue mission (already in progress) must stop in its tracks. Ships can loiter on station, but airplanes fall out of the sky, so they must be redirected to an air base (Sigonella, in Sicily) to await the POTUS decision on granting CBA. If the decision to grant CBA never comes, the besieged diplomatic outpost in Benghazi can rely only on assets already "in country" in Libya - such as the Tripoli quick reaction force and the Predator drones. These assets can be put into action on the independent authority of the acting ambassador or CIA station chief in Tripoli. They are already "in country," so CBA rules do not apply to them.

How might this process have played out in the White House? If, at the 5:00 p.m. Oval Office meeting with Defense Secretary Panetta and Vice President Biden, President Obama said about Benghazi: "I think we should not go the military action route," meaning that no CBA will be granted, then that is it. Case closed.


Another possibility is that the president might have said: "We should do what we can to help them . but no military intervention from outside of Libya." Those words then constitute "standing orders" all the way down the chain of command, via Panetta and General Dempsey to
General Ham and the subordinate commanders who are already gearing up to rescue the besieged outpost. When that meeting took place, it may have seemed as if the consulate attack was over, so President Obama might have thought the situation would stabilize on its own from that point forward. If he then goes upstairs to the family quarters, or otherwise makes himself "unavailable," then his last standing orders will continue to stand until he changes them, even if he goes to sleep until the morning of September 12.
Nobody in the chain of command below President Obama can
countermand his "standing orders" not to send outside military forces into Libyan air space. Nobody. Not Leon Panetta, not Hillary Clinton, not General Dempsey, and not General Ham in Stuttgart, Germany, who is in charge of the forces staging in Sigonella.
Rogue Scholar 05

Jacksonville, FL

#156281 May 19, 2013
Perhaps the president left "no outside military intervention, no cross-border authority" standing orders, and then made himself scarce to those below him seeking further guidance, clarification, or modified orders. Or perhaps he was in the Situation Room watching the Predator videos in live time for all seven hours. We don't yet know where the president was hour by hour.

But this is 100 percent sure: Panetta and Dempsey would have executed a rescue mission order if the president had given those orders. And like the former SEALs in Benghazi, General Ham and all of the troops under him would have been straining forward in their harnesses, ready to go into battle to save American lives.

The execute orders would be given verbally to General Ham at AFRICOM in Stuttgart, but they would immediately be backed up in
official message traffic for the official record. That is why
cross-border authority is the King Arthur's Sword for understanding
Benghazi. The POTUS and only the POTUS can pull out that sword.

We can be 100% certain that cross-border authority was never given. How do I know this? Because if CBA was granted and the rescue mission execute orders were handed down, irrefutable records exist today in at least a dozen involved component commands, and probably many more. No general or admiral will risk being hung out to dry for undertaking a mission-gone-wrong that the POTUS later disavows ordering, and instead blames on "loose cannons" or "rogue officers" exceeding their authority.
No general or admiral will order U.S. armed forces to cross an
international border on a hostile mission unless and until he is certain that the National Command Authority, in the person of the POTUS and his chain of command, has clearly and explicitly given that order: verbally at the outset, but thereafter in written orders and official messages. If they exist, they could be produced today.

When it comes to granting cross-border authority, there are no presidential mumblings or musings to paraphrase or decipher. If you hear confusion over parsed statements given as an excuse for Benghazi, then you are hearing lies. I am sure that hundreds of active-duty military officers know all about the Benghazi execute orders (or the lack thereof), and I am impatiently waiting for one of them to come forward to risk his career and pension as a whistleblower

Leon Panetta is falling on his sword for President Obama with his absurd-on-its-face, "the U.S. military doesn't do risky
things"-defense of his shameful no-rescue policy. Panetta is utterly destroying his reputation.

General Dempsey joins Panetta on the same sword with his tacit agreement by silence. But why? How far does loyalty extend when it comes to covering up gross dereliction of duty by the president?

General Petraeus, however, has indirectly blown the whistle. He was probably "used" in some way early in the cover-up with the purported CIA intel link to the Mohammed video, and now he feels burned. So he conclusively said via his public affairs officer that the stand-down order did not come from the CIA. Well - what outranks the CIA? Only the national security team at the White House. That means President Obama, and nobody else. Petraeus is naming Obama without naming him. If that is not quite as courageous as blowing a whistle, it is far better than the disgraceful behavior of Panetta and Dempsey.

We do not know the facts for certain, but we do know that the rescue mission stand-down issue revolves around the granting or
withholding of cross-border authority, which belongs only to President Obama. More than one hundred gung-ho Force Recon Marines were waiting on the tarmac in Sigonella, just two hours away for the launch order that never came.

Nazrat

Jacksonville, FL

#156282 May 19, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue : "Me racist?" Watcha talkin' about?
1) I did not write it.
2) It is not racists to pass along an example that is racist.
3) And I posted it just to piss you off! And it worked well!!!
Nazrat

Jacksonville, FL

#156283 May 19, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
PS : A racist plagiarist to boot. And his racist birther ilk have given him high marks in the "judge it" category.
It is not plagiarism if I did not know whom to give credit. And it is not racism if it is true!
When I bought my house in Clayton Co., GA (Atlanta Metro area) it was a nice neighborhood. but within five years it had gone way downhill. Among other things people were putting chainlink fence in their front lawns. And burglaries had significantly increased. Plane and simple, it was becoming a racial ghetto so I sold and moved.
Now I have lived in tow middle class HMOs since then and yes, we have some black neighbors but they are much like me. They take care of their property and respect their neighbors.
A few months ago a black neighbor has some cars parked on the curb overnight which is a violation of our HMO covenant but I did not complain. The cars had out of state plates and they were GOOD neighbors and I assumed it was for something unusual and it would return to normal soon.
On the third day I was out walking my dogs in the mid afternoon when I we walked up to the entrance to the housing area and the clubhouse parking lot was full of cars of which over half had out of state plates and the people were dressed in suits. I noticed my neighbor and I waved at him and I asked him what was up.
This great aunt, who was in her 90s, had passed a week early and they had had their funeral that morning and this was the family get together. And as I walked my dogs away I knew that the great aunt was a loved person and that her relatives had come from afar to see her off. And two days later the extra cars were gone and things were back to normal.
Oh, if he is on his front lawn when I walk my dogs, we do greet each other. Oh, and in the cool months I usually walk them in the later part of the day and in the warm months usually the early morning hours.
I have a nice neighborhood and all of my neighbors near me are nice, quiet and respectful people and that is all I ask for.
Oh, I would guess that about a quarter of my neighborhood are black but like me they are upper middle class with many professionals. Oh, one of the women a few doors down works for the .... IRS but I have no plans to shoot her!
Nazrat

Jacksonville, FL

#156284 May 19, 2013
Jail to the Chief

Sunday, May 19, 2013

Obama told a group of students to ‘reject those voices’ that warn of Government Tyranny… what’s more important than what he said, was what he did not say. He did not say ‘make them prove it”, he did not say “study for yourself”….and he did not say “Look at the track record”—because history proves him to be a lying marxist….

Again.

Never in history…has an administration become so intertwined with the ‘day to day’ operations of America’s major news organizations.

If they haven’t received MASSIVE amounts of money—they have relatives on the payroll.

Read more: http://patriotupdate.com/2013/05/jail-to-the-...

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#156285 May 19, 2013
Doesn't matter where the garbage was born.
The only thing he's qualified for is licking boots.

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