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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Frank

Spokane, WA

#155534 May 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Even Wong Kim Ark could have been president, if he could have gotten the votes.
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Why would any one vote for Barack Hussein Obama? Our country has millions of idiots who are eligible to vote. I think that people should think about the consequences of their actions before they enter the voting booth. They should also take responsibility for their mistakes.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#155535 May 13, 2013
LRS wrote:
Only United States citizens have the right to vote and the right serve as an elected member of the U.S. Senate or U.S. House of Representatives.
The 14th Amendment to the Constitution defines citizenship this way: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
But to be President, you must also be a "natural born" citizen, according to Section I, Article II of the U.S. Constitution. What does that mean?
The only thing that is black-and-white about citizenship and the presidency is this: 1. A child of a two American citizens who is born on U.S. soil is clearly eligible to be President;
2. Anyone who becomes a naturalized U.S. citizen after birth (think Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger) is clearly not eligible to be President.
Then life turns gray, or at least contested, as events of the 2008 Presidential election make clear.
What constitutes being "natural born" falls into two philosophical camps: geography or blood. One group argues that blood rules -- that you are "natural born" regardless of geography, if both parents are citizens. Another group argues that geography rules -- that you are "natural born" only if you are born on U.S. soil.
Purists insist that both parents must be U.S. citizens and you must be born on U.S. soil. This narrow interpretation would mean that Barack Obama is ineligible to be President of the United States.
Guess what, not a single member of the 535 members of Congress voted not to confirm Obama's election in either the 2008 or 2012 elections---and you think that at least one would have voted against or at least said something if she or he thought that Obama was not a natural born citizen.

And, guess what, not a single member of the US Electoral College changed her or his vote from Obama to McCain or Obama to Mitt Romney in the 2008 or 2012 elections. And you'd think that at least one of them would have switched votes or not voted or said something if she or he had thought that Obama was not a Natural Born Citizen.

IN past elections it was fairly frequent for one or two electors to not vote the way that their states did, and in 2008 and 2012 birthers had letter writing campaigns to the Electors asking them to change---but one of of them did. NOT ONE. Obama received 356 Electoral votes in the general election in 2008, and 356 Electors voted for him. Obama received 332 Electoral votes in the general election of 2012 and 332 Electors voted for him.

NOT ONE of them believed either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that two citizen parents are required in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.(That's because the meaning Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.)

For those who would like to do their own research on the subject, here are some links:

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natura...

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#155536 May 13, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
Psssst. Hey Romper. Your hero Dufus Dale tells a different fable. You two really should compare notes if you're going to be a couple
Right Dwilbert! LMAO squid

Grrr....kerplunk! Hee Hee Hee
Frank

Spokane, WA

#155537 May 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hummm, Pres. Obama to have a live press conference 'soon' to discuss Ben Ghazi and the IRS!
If any other President had these scandals,they would be impeached. Why is there a double standard for this particular resident of The White House?
Nasrat

Jacksonville, FL

#155538 May 13, 2013
Dr. Gosnell.... guilty!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155539 May 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hummm, Pres. Obama to have a live press conference 'soon' to discuss Ben Ghazi and the IRS!
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>If any other President had these scandals,they would be impeached. Why is there a double standard for this particular resident of The White House?
That's easy. Liberals don't mind sleeping with pigs!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#155540 May 13, 2013
Video: MSNBC Panel actually talks ‘Impeachment’ over Benghazi

by Shoebat Foundation on May 11, 2013 in Blog, General
Don’t look now but a major hole has just been blown through the Benghazi stonewall. Perhaps that’s the reason for the **smoke in the White House press room.

These two events actually occurred on the same morning.

Oh, the irony.

http://shoebat.com/2013/05/11/video-msnbc-pan...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155541 May 13, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Why would any one vote for Barack Hussein Obama? Our country has millions of idiots who are eligible to vote. I think that people should think about the consequences of their actions before they enter the voting booth. They should also take responsibility for their mistakes.
Are you sermonizing 66 million voters and trying to make us believe you know better than all of them? Better than, as Ellen says, than those 535 members of congress and the entire electoral college. While we're at it, let's add the 9 supreme court justices and why not, 205 and counting, courts and 195 nations? Frankly, Frank, wake up and smell the coffee or the roses or whatever.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155542 May 13, 2013
American Lady wrote:
Video: MSNBC Panel actually talks ‘Impeachment’ over Benghazi
by Shoebat Foundation on May 11, 2013 in Blog, General
Don’t look now but a major hole has just been blown through the Benghazi stonewall. Perhaps that’s the reason for the **smoke in the White House press room.
These two events actually occurred on the same morning.
Oh, the irony.
http://shoebat.com/2013/05/11/video-msnbc-pan...
Fool. You don't even know the difference between a news report and a discussion panel on politics. Impeachment, that word, was uttered ONCE by a political commentator, NOT BY MSNBC. Not an opinion nor a report by MSNBC. Sorry to be so LRS-like but you're a dumb communist bent on undermining your country and the worst part of it is that you're doing it unwittingly.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#155544 May 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Are you sermonizing 66 million voters and trying to make us believe you know better than all of them? Better than, as Ellen says, than those 535 members of congress and the entire electoral college. While we're at it, let's add the 9 supreme court justices and why not, 205 and counting, courts and 195 nations? Frankly, Frank, wake up and smell the coffee or the roses or whatever.
Re: " entire electoral college."

Well, not the ENTIRE Electoral College, just the ones who voted for Obama. Some voted for McCain in 2008 and some voted for Romney in 2012, but not one of them voted for McCain or for Romney when the popular votes of her or his state was not for McCain or for Romney.

In other words, no elector switched votes. They all voted the way that their states did---which would mean that not one of the 688 total who voted for Obama in both elections added together believed that Obama was either born outside of the USA or that it requires two citizen parents in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#155545 May 13, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Fool. You don't even know the difference between a news report and a discussion panel on politics. Impeachment, that word, was uttered ONCE by a political commentator, NOT BY MSNBC. Not an opinion nor a report by MSNBC. Sorry to be so LRS-like but you're a dumb communist bent on undermining your country and the worst part of it is that you're doing it unwittingly.
American Lady wrote:
Video: MSNBC Panel actually talks ‘Impeachment’ over Benghazi
by Shoebat Foundation on May 11, 2013 in Blog, General
Don’t look now but a major hole has just been blown through the Benghazi stonewall. Perhaps that’s the reason for the **smoke in the White House press room.
These two events actually occurred on the same morning.
Oh, the irony.
http://shoebat.com/2013/05/11/video-msnbc-pan...

WHAT of this did you NOT understand you "DAMN DUMCHIT" ...???
Video: MSNBC -------Panel----- actually talks ‘Impeachment’ over Benghazi

Do not !!!
"I" REPEAT DO NOT COMMENT TO ME ANYMORE!
I WILL "NOT" CONVERSE WITH SUCH A ---BLOOMING IDIOT--- AS YOU!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155546 May 13, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Re: " entire electoral college."
Well, not the ENTIRE Electoral College, just the ones who voted for Obama. Some voted for McCain in 2008 and some voted for Romney in 2012, but not one of them voted for McCain or for Romney when the popular votes of her or his state was not for McCain or for Romney.
In other words, no elector switched votes. They all voted the way that their states did---which would mean that not one of the 688 total who voted for Obama in both elections added together believed that Obama was either born outside of the USA or that it requires two citizen parents in order to be a Natural Born Citizen.
Of course. I miswrote. States that both McCain and Romney carried voted McCain. Sorry, my bad.
Justice Dale

United States

#155547 May 13, 2013
wojar wrote:
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Whether you are taxed for being a free-rider or for smoking cigarettes, you are assesed a punitive tax.
So it is incorrect to call it a fine because as C J Roberts said, "it's really a tax."
<quoted text>
would you explain what a tax penalty is, according to the tax codes.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#155548 May 13, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Well, if he were a Democrat he probably could have been.
Political party is not a requirement for presidential eligibility.
wojar wrote:
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Even Wong Kim Ark could have been president, if he could have gotten the votes.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#155549 May 13, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Why would any one vote for Barack Hussein Obama? Our country has millions of idiots who are eligible to vote. I think that people should think about the consequences of their actions before they enter the voting booth. They should also take responsibility for their mistakes.
There goes Frank, still whining about the result of the election.
wojar wrote:
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Even Wong Kim Ark could have been president, if he could have gotten the votes.
Justice Dale

United States

#155550 May 13, 2013
truman wrote:
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You know with every Birther screed and post nuts like you siphon off one more gallon of the Republican's credibilty with the Americans that you need to win a National Election.
Hillary Clinton ought to send fools like you a Fruit Basket.
Keep up the good work!!
LMAO!!! Hell, if we won the senate and the presidency we wouldn't have anything to bitch about!!!
Hell, with Hillary's track record it wouldn't get here in-time to stave off starvation!!
Justice Dale

United States

#155551 May 13, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
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And it is Dufus Dale's fable that North Korea has the authority to deny US Citizenship to children born in the US. Fortunately the US chooses to reject Dufus Law and exercise its right as a nation to declare ALL children born here to be Natural Born Citizens. A fact Dufus can't stop
WRONG!!!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#155552 May 13, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>would you explain what a tax penalty is, according to the tax codes.
Dufus believes that a punitive tax must be officially labeled "Tax Penalty" in order to be a punitive tax.

He needs to grow up.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether you are taxed for being a free-rider or for smoking cigarettes, you are assesed a punitive tax.
So it is incorrect to call it a fine because as C J Roberts said, "it's really a tax."

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#155553 May 13, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>would you explain what a tax penalty is, according to the tax codes.
You really need an explanation?

Punitive Tax
1. A tax imposed to discourage a behavior. For example, retirement plans usually have excise taxes placed upon them if one makes a withdrawal prior to a certain age.

http://financial-dictionary.thefreedictionary...
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Whether you are taxed for being a free-rider or for smoking cigarettes, you are assesed a punitive tax.
So it is incorrect to call it a fine because as C J Roberts said, "it's really a tax."

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155555 May 13, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
Psssst. Hey Romper. Your hero Dufus Dale tells a different fable. You two really should compare notes if you're going to be a couple
Oh oh, and even bigger scandal a brewing. DoJ raids Associated Press and confiscates communications to include emails from reporters!!!
If this is true, just about all the media will turn on Obama!!!

Justice Department secretly obtained AP phone records
Published May 13, 2013 / Associated Press

The Justice Department secretly obtained two months of telephone records of reporters and editors for The Associated Press in what the news cooperative's top executive called a "massive and unprecedented intrusion" into how news organizations gather the news.
The records obtained by the Justice Department listed incoming and outgoing calls, and the duration of each call, for the work and personal phone numbers of individual reporters, general AP office numbers in New York, Washington and Hartford, Conn., and the main number for AP reporters in the House of Representatives press gallery, according to attorneys for the AP.
In all, the government seized those records for more than 20 separate telephone lines assigned to AP and its journalists in April and May of 2012. The exact number of journalists who used the phone lines during that period is unknown but more than 100 journalists work in the offices whose phone records were targeted on a wide array of stories about government and other matters.
In a letter of protest sent to Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday, AP President and Chief Executive Officer Gary Pruitt said the government sought and obtained information far beyond anything that could be justified by any specific investigation. He demanded the return of the phone records and destruction of all copies.
"There can be no possible justification for such an overbroad collection of the telephone communications of The Associated Press and its reporters. These records potentially reveal communications with confidential sources across all of the newsgathering activities undertaken by the AP during a two-month period, provide a road map to AP's newsgathering operations, and disclose information about AP's activities and operations that the government has no conceivable right to know," Pruitt said.
The government would not say why it sought the records. U.S. officials have previously said in public testimony that the U.S. attorney in Washington is conducting a criminal investigation into who may have leaked information contained in a May 7, 2012, AP story about a foiled terror plot..........

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