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Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#155049 May 9, 2013
You people need to come to your senses and get off those polluting aeroplanes pronto.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#155050 May 9, 2013
MSM Realizes Obama’s Fraud Bombshell
The Obama eligibility case before the Alabama Supreme Court people is making people realize that Obama’s file is empty.
They’ve been tricked and they’re finding it out. It’s a hard awakening.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#155051 May 9, 2013
OBAMA BACKERS DESPERATE AS ELIGIBILITY
CASE HEADS TO ALABAMA SUPREME COURT!
AND IT GETS EVEN MORE INTERESTING…
MORE OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATES APPEAR
AND THEY ALL INDICATE FRAUD!
DEMAND PROOF POSITIVE NOW!
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#155052 May 9, 2013
The Truth about Vattel, Presidents, Citizens & Subjects
May 5, 2013
“As to this class there have been doubts,
but never as to the first…”
The ignorant and highly biased defenders of Barack Obama’s unconstitutional reign as America’s President, base their entire defense on the notion that only three kinds of persons inhabit a country; natural born citizens, naturalized citizens, and foreigners. That is one of the greatest absurdities of all time, and that is because there are ten identifiable types of citizens in the United States, and only two of them are natural.
In addition to them, there are 6 types of non-citizens, which are,-excluding any possible enemy combatants:
1. foreign diplomats (whose U.S. born children are not citizens) 2. foreign government employees of lower rank, including Consular Officers (their U.S. born children are considered to be citizens) 3. Legal immigrants (Green Card recipients) 4. Illegal immigrants 5. Visa Card recipients,(Foreign visitors, tourists, temp. workers, etc.) 6. non-citizen American Nationals from American Samoa, Virgin Islands, and Swains Island.

Those who are Americans are so in these 10 ways:

1. Children born of citizens in the United States
2. Children born of citizens outside the United State
3. Immigrants naturalized by the naturalization process.
4. Children born of legal immigrants (Green Card holders),
automatically naturalized at birth by the 14th Amendment
5. Children born of illegal immigrants (citizens by policy, not law),
presumedly automatically naturalized at birth by the 14th Amendment
6. Children naturalized by their parents’ naturalization though born abroad
7. Children born in America to non-immigrant aliens,(-citizens by policy also)
8. Foreigners made citizens by Congressional proclamation (Puerto Rico, Guam)
9. Children born abroad to only one American parent. American citizens via statute
10.Children born to American women who lost their citizenship by being married to and
living with a foreign husband in a foreign nation between 1907 and 1922 who along with
their mother (re)acquired American citizenship after the 1907 Naturalization Act was amended

The idea that all citizens who are not naturalized by process are “natural born citizen” is asinine. But everyone thinks that all citizens except naturalized citizens can be President, yet the Constitution mandates something else. They think it requires that the President be born in America, connecting only domestic birth with eligibility. They could just as easily connect eligibility to only parentage since what one is when born is determined by parentage,-being as parents determine one’s inherited nature,-one’s social and national position and membership.
Why is it that both would seem equally plausible determinants of presidential eligibility? It’s because of the words the Constitution used to describe the citizenship of the President. For all other offices it used the descriptor of “a citizen of the United States”. As one can see from the list, that is very inclusive.

But when it came to the position that wields the power of the Commander of the American military they used very exclusive language. They put it like this:
“No person, except a natural born citizen,…shall be eligible to the office of the President,…”.
In order to bind that description to the borders within which one was born is quite a feat, but they accomplish it by resorting to elevating, and then twisting the meaning of an old English term that lost its true meaning over the centuries due to sliding down a slippery slope of language bastardization, namely the term:“natural born subject”. That term originally meant a son born into subjection to the King by inheriting his father’s relationship to the crown.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155053 May 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes to your last sentence, 4 Americans died and I agree that the after-tragedy response was not the best possible one. However, it was pretty much shown, as it will be again, that nothing could've been done to save those 4 unfortunate victims. I just can't believe that you and other birthers would assume that Obama himself or Hillary Clinton would've been responsible for lack of proper and adequate protection for the consulate or cultural centre in Benghazi. Really. Let those brave men rest in peace and hope that this kind of tragedy won't be repeated.
Those 4 Americans were killed by foes, enemies. Yet, strange how 11 rig workers were killed by fellow Americans and Brits in the Gulf of Mexico, Halliburton and BP. 3 times + the Benghazi toll yet not a peep from you except to defend these multinationals who, incidentally, have paid over $30 billion in reparations of which $4 billion for criminal negligence. Yet nary a word from you on this, except, as I said, to defend your exploiters. Serfs it was, serf it is. Were those 11 lives not worth the ones lost in Benghazi?
Yes, in the Lewinski scandal, no one died. But 11 men died on that rig. But you don't care, do you?
AH, but they did not know when the attacks would stop, DID THEY? And we still had people who were alive that might have been killed!!!
Obama has told the military and the Dept. of State people that if it comes between MY politics and your life, I will make sure I survive as president! And to hell with you!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155054 May 9, 2013
About a decade ago a Marine unit was on maneuvers at 29 Palms and on the convoy back the unit commander left ONE Marine to act as a traffic cop way on in the desert. It was the next morning they realized he had not reported for duty and it was not until that afternoon, 24 hour after the fact, that they went looking for him.
Oh, they did find him,,,,, dead of exposure. The Commander was court-martialed for dereliction of duty!!! And that is what needs to happen to Obama!
No, you can not court-martial the president but for that offense he should be impeached!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155055 May 9, 2013
One night in S. Korea I was out night flying and when we returned it was a minus ten fahrenheit. We had only one crewchief with us on that mission so I told him I would help him button the aircraft up and he told me he did not need me.
And I told him I would not leave him on the ramp under these conditions as if he slipped and fell off the aircraft and had, lets say, a broken ankle, he might not be able to get help by himself and would probably freeze to death. And I also told him that by helping him, we would both get off the ramp faster!
Yes, normally a pilot/officer does not do manual labor but I would have been derelict in my duty by leaving him in those weather conditions.
I noticed that officers who had been in combat usually took better care of their subordinates as in combat you realize that everyone depends on everyone to stay alive.
And when subordinates know you care about them, they will work better.
Oh, I have never claimed to be perfect and I improved over the years and I thank God all I did was break one mechanics finger!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155056 May 9, 2013
I KNOW MANY OF YOU (LIKE ME) ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO FOOTBALL SEASON. WELL, HERE'S A LITTLE RECAP OF LAST SEASON.........

Coincidence? Just wondering..........

Alabama beat Arkansas,
and Arkansas fired their coach.

Alabama beat Tennessee,
and Tennessee fired their coach.

Alabama beat Auburn,
and Auburn fired their coach.

Then Alabama beat Notre Dame, and the Pope resigned.......

Damn, I wish the White House had a team!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#155057 May 9, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes to your last sentence, 4 Americans died and I agree that the after-tragedy response was not the best possible one. However, it was pretty much shown, as it will be again, that nothing could've been done to save those 4 unfortunate victims. I just can't believe that you and other birthers would assume that Obama himself or Hillary Clinton would've been responsible for lack of proper and adequate protection for the consulate or cultural centre in Benghazi. Really. Let those brave men rest in peace and hope that this kind of tragedy won't be repeated.
Those 4 Americans were killed by foes, enemies. Yet, strange how 11 rig workers were killed by fellow Americans and Brits in the Gulf of Mexico, Halliburton and BP. 3 times + the Benghazi toll yet not a peep from you except to defend these multinationals who, incidentally, have paid over $30 billion in reparations of which $4 billion for criminal negligence. Yet nary a word from you on this, except, as I said, to defend your exploiters. Serfs it was, serf it is. Were those 11 lives not worth the ones lost in Benghazi?
Yes, in the Lewinski scandal, no one died. But 11 men died on that rig. But you don't care, do you?
LMAO!!! Your spin is boring, boring, boring, it would have been nice if you could have made a point and not just thrown fruit-salad at us.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155058 May 9, 2013
Truth Detector wrote:
The Truth about Vattel, Presidents, Citizens & Subjects
May 5, 2013
“As to this class there have been doubts,
but never as to the first…”
The ignorant and highly biased defenders of Barack Obama’s unconstitutional reign as America’s President, base their entire defense on the notion that only three kinds of persons inhabit a country; natural born citizens, naturalized citizens, and foreigners. That is one of the greatest absurdities of all time, and that is because there are ten identifiable types of citizens in the United States, and only two of them are natural.
In addition to them, there are 6 types of non-citizens, which are,-excluding any possible enemy combatants:
1. foreign diplomats (whose U.S. born children are not citizens) 2. foreign government employees of lower rank, including Consular Officers (their U.S. born children are considered to be citizens) 3. Legal immigrants (Green Card recipients) 4. Illegal immigrants 5. Visa Card recipients,(Foreign visitors, tourists, temp. workers, etc.) 6. non-citizen American Nationals from American Samoa, Virgin Islands, and Swains Island.
Those who are Americans are so in these 10 ways:
1. Children born of citizens in the United States
2. Children born of citizens outside the United State
3. Immigrants naturalized by the naturalization process.
4. Children born of legal immigrants (Green Card holders),
automatically naturalized at birth by the 14th Amendment
5. Children born of illegal immigrants (citizens by policy, not law),
presumedly automatically naturalized at birth by the 14th Amendment
6. Children naturalized by their parents’ naturalization though born abroad
7. Children born in America to non-immigrant aliens,(-citizens by policy also)
8. Foreigners made citizens by Congressional proclamation (Puerto Rico, Guam)
9. Children born abroad to only one American parent. American citizens via statute
10.Children born to American women who lost their citizenship by being married to and
living with a foreign husband in a foreign nation between 1907 and 1922 who along with
their mother (re)acquired American citizenship after the 1907 Naturalization Act was amended
The idea that all citizens who are not naturalized by process are “natural born citizen” is asinine. But everyone thinks that all citizens except naturalized citizens can be President, yet the Constitution mandates something else. They think it requires that the President be born in America, connecting only domestic birth with eligibility. They could just as easily connect eligibility to only parentage since what one is when born is determined by parentage,-being as parents determine one’s inherited nature,-one’s social and national position and membership.
Why is it that both would seem equally plausible determinants of presidential eligibility? It’s because of the words the Constitution used to describe the citizenship of the President. For all other offices it used the descriptor of “a citizen of the United States”. As one can see from the list, that is very inclusive.
But when it came to the position that wields the power of the Commander of the American military they used very exclusive language. They put it like this:
“No person, except a natural born citizen,…shall be eligible to the office of the President,…”.
In order to bind that description to the borders within which one was born is quite a feat, but they accomplish it by resorting to elevating, and then twisting the meaning of an old English term that lost its true meaning over the centuries due to sliding down a slippery slope of language bastardization, namely the term:“natural born subject”. That term originally meant a son born into subjection to the King by inheriting his father’s relationship to the crown.
That is YOUR opinion and nothing more and until the USSC makes a ruling on this issue, it will remain just your opinion.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155060 May 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I KNOW MANY OF YOU (LIKE ME) ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO FOOTBALL SEASON. WELL, HERE'S A LITTLE RECAP OF LAST SEASON.........
Coincidence? Just wondering..........
Alabama beat Arkansas,
and Arkansas fired their coach.
Alabama beat Tennessee,
and Tennessee fired their coach.
Alabama beat Auburn,
and Auburn fired their coach.
Then Alabama beat Notre Dame, and the Pope resigned.......
Damn, I wish the White House had a team!
Well, the White House will make a laughing stock of birther nutballs when the Alabama Supreme Court dismisses the eternal birther nuisance BC contestation suit. And so the White House coach will remain.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155061 May 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
AH, but they did not know when the attacks would stop, DID THEY? And we still had people who were alive that might have been killed!!!
Obama has told the military and the Dept. of State people that if it comes between MY politics and your life, I will make sure I survive as president! And to hell with you!!!
Well, fact is, attacks did not continue, nothing could be done to save the poor unfortunate four, so quit extrapolating and "what if" and "if when the attacks would stop"...

You wrote "Obama has told the military and the Dept. of State people that if it comes between MY politics and your life, I will make sure I survive as president! And to hell with you!!!"

Okay, sigh, another request for proof that Obama thought or said the above. Do you realise how serious your allegation is? If you can't prove it, will you rescind it? Or do I have to ask a million times for proof?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155062 May 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
AH, but they did not know when the attacks would stop, DID THEY? And we still had people who were alive that might have been killed!!!
Obama has told the military and the Dept. of State people that if it comes between MY politics and your life, I will make sure I survive as president! And to hell with you!!!
And Rogue, how conveniently you have no comment on the 11 killed by BP and in association, Halliburton, in the Gulf by fellow Americans and ally Brits, not by the enemy. Found guilty, BP accepted verdict of sheer negligence leading to the death of those 11 men. Yet, you have zilch to say. Second request from you in less than 5 minutes, a record. Did I not supply you with proof the minute you asked , twice , two days ago and yesterday? You said yesterday you supplied links. Except for various cut-and-paste giberish, you don't.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155063 May 9, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Jacques, this is for you. You may notice that the aircraft's registration number begins with a "C" which means it is registered in..... Canada. I am sure the the Canadian CAB (like our FAA) has taken action against the pilot!
Video: Longest Takeoff Run ... Ever
By Robert Goyer / Published: May 02, 2013
Read more at http://www.flyingmag.com/pilots-places/pilots...
I know what the "C" means. Do you know what "N" means? Now you know how I feel.

Considering the strip is rough grass, downhill instead of ideal uphill, and a tail dragger which in this case is no help for sure, pilot did pretty well, considering. Of course, his initial mistake was taking off from that strip in the 1st place, yes, he was STUPID,, displayed poor judgement, yet skillful but again mostly STUPID as it normally should've ended in tragedy.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155064 May 9, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And ruminants emit almost 30% of global methane emissions. Ain't that a gas?
Can you tell us what percentage of DRY atmospheric gases does our Earth contain?
For Instance about;
78% is nitrogen,
21% Oxygen,
1% Argon, and
1% all other gases!!!
Now, depending on temperature and humidity our lower tropospheric gases can contain up to 5% water vapor, typically 1-3% water vapor while CO2 is less than 0.1% and I have not seen statistic for methane yet.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155065 May 9, 2013
Now here is another left-leaning source. How do I know? Well, they mention CO2 which is less than 0.1% of our atmosphere but fails to mention ARGON which is more than ten times what CO2 is!!!

Layers of the Atmosphere:

The earth is surrounded by the atmosphere, which is the body of air or gasses that protects the planet and enables life. Most of our atmosphere is located close to the earth's surface where it is most dense. The air of our planet is 79% nitrogen and just under 21% oxygen; the small amount remaining is composed of carbon dioxide and other gasses. There are five distinct layers of the earth. Let's look at each, from closest to farthest from the earth...
http://geography.about.com/od/physicalgeograp...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#155066 May 9, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! Your spin is boring, boring, boring, it would have been nice if you could have made a point and not just thrown fruit-salad at us.
11 American rig workers killed and to you, it's a spin, it's boring, it's a fruit salad?

You dismiss it out of hand?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#155067 May 9, 2013
Excuse me but according to Wiki, there is 23.8 times as much argon as there is CO2!!!! I had said ten times, so I stand corrected.

Atmosphere of Earth
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The common name given to the atmospheric gases used in breathing and photosynthesis is air. Dry air contains roughly (by volume)
78.09% nitrogen,
20.95% oxygen,
0.93% argon,
0.039% carbon dioxide,
and small amounts of other gases. Air also contains a variable amount of water vapor, on average around 1%.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#155068 May 9, 2013
Question

Can the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment be any clearer than this?

comments by Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan, author of the Citizenship Clause

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage...

Congressional Globe, 1st Session, 39th Congress, pt. 4, p. 2890

"...every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is...a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, incude persons born in the Untied States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers...

"...Indians born within the limits of the united States, and who maintain their tribal relations, are not...born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They are regarded...as being quasi foreign nations."

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage...

Congressional Globe, 1st Session, 39th Congress, pt. 4, p. 2895

"...the word "jurisdiction," as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States,...the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now. Certainly, gentlemen cannot contend that an Indian belonging to a tribe, although born within the limits of a State, is subject to this full and complete jurisdiction.... They have always been regarded...as being independent nations..."

On p. 2890, Howard declares that every persons born in the USA and SUBJECT TO THEIR JURISDICTION is a citizen, other than persons who belong to the families of ambassadors and foreign ministers. This means that persons who belong to the families of ambassadors and foreign ministers are NOT INCLUDED in the set of persons who ARE SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the USA.

He then goes on to say that persons who ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the USA are ALSO EXCLUDED from citizenship. He provides the specific example of the Indians who belong to a tribe, who are considered members of independent nations.

This establishes the principle that members of independent nations ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the USA, therefore their children are not given citizenship even if they are born within the limits of the United States.

This exclusion applies to ALL independent nations, including Mexico. Later court rulings gave citizenship to Indians and Eskimos, but this applied to ONLY these groups. These rulings DID NOT open citizenship to children born to foreigners from all the foreign nations in the world.

Children born to parents who are citizens of foreign countries are NOT citizens by the Fourteenth Amendment. So, Congress is permitted to refuse citizenship to them under the Fourteenth Amendment as it stands today.

The entire discussion recorded here IMPLICITLY treats children as having the same citizenship status as the parents, with no dispute or debate. It is taken as being understood that ALL CHILDREN HAVE THE SAME CITIZENSHIP AS THEIR PARENTS.

This was entirely the intent and purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause. It was intended to give citizenship to all freed slaves and their children, while NOT giving citizenship to the children born to foreigners from independent nations.

Can it be any clearer that ANCHOR BABIES ARE NOT CITIZENS?
Learn to Read

Greenwood, IN

#155069 May 9, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
Question

Can the citizenship clause of the 14th Amendment be any clearer than this?

comments by Senator Jacob M. Howard of Michigan, author of the Citizenship Clause

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage... Â…

Congressional Globe, 1st Session, 39th Congress, pt. 4, p. 2890

"...every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is...a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, incude persons born in the Untied States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers...

"...Indians born within the limits of the united States, and who maintain their tribal relations, are not...born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. They are regarded...as being quasi foreign nations."

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage... Â…

Congressional Globe, 1st Session, 39th Congress, pt. 4, p. 2895

"...the word "jurisdiction," as here employed, ought to be construed so as to imply a full and complete jurisdiction on the part of the United States,...the same jurisdiction in extent and quality as applies to every citizen of the United States now. Certainly, gentlemen cannot contend that an Indian belonging to a tribe, although born within the limits of a State, is subject to this full and complete jurisdiction.... They have always been regarded...as being independent nations..."

On p. 2890, Howard declares that every persons born in the USA and SUBJECT TO THEIR JURISDICTION is a citizen, other than persons who belong to the families of ambassadors and foreign ministers. This means that persons who belong to the families of ambassadors and foreign ministers are NOT INCLUDED in the set of persons who ARE SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the USA.

He then goes on to say that persons who ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the USA are ALSO EXCLUDED from citizenship. He provides the specific example of the Indians who belong to a tribe, who are considered members of independent nations.

This establishes the principle that members of independent nations ARE NOT SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION of the USA, therefore their children are not given citizenship even if they are born within the limits of the United States.

This exclusion applies to ALL independent nations, including Mexico. Later court rulings gave citizenship to Indians and Eskimos, but this applied to ONLY these groups. These rulings DID NOT open citizenship to children born to foreigners from all the foreign nations in the world.

Children born to parents who are citizens of foreign countries are NOT citizens by the Fourteenth Amendment. So, Congress is permitted to refuse citizenship to them under the Fourteenth Amendment as it stands today.

The entire discussion recorded here IMPLICITLY treats children as having the same citizenship status as the parents, with no dispute or debate. It is taken as being understood that ALL CHILDREN HAVE THE SAME CITIZENSHIP AS THEIR PARENTS.

This was entirely the intent and purpose of the Fourteenth Amendment citizenship clause. It was intended to give citizenship to all freed slaves and their children, while NOT giving citizenship to the children born to foreigners from independent nations.

Can it be any clearer that ANCHOR BABIES ARE NOT CITIZENS?
Can it be any clearer that Dufus Dale knows nothing about the Constitution or rule of law?

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