BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154029 May 2, 2013
LRS wrote:
Evangelicals? What's that go to the with the Constitution?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#154030 May 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue : "All three network newscasts on Monday and Tuesday ignored the shocking assertions made by a whistleblower who told Fox News that special forces could have responded to the 2012 terrorist attack on Benghazi". What BS. What utter speculative BS. Were there US troops on the ground? How far offshore were the ships that carried helicopters? How long to prepare the men, the machines and flight time to the site? Is there a close place where they can land? You know if this whistleblower has the answers to these questions? FBI and CIA turning on Obama? Can you indicate where you got that? You cite Foxnews.com and http://conservativebyte.com ...could you even be more biased?
At the time of the assault, no one knew how long it would last. What if it had gone on for a few days?
But the facts are that Obama is OBSTRUCTING justice by preventing our people from testifying before Congress. It has been seven f-ing months and they just started looking for suspects!!!
Oh, siting Fox News is biased but sitting ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN is NOT?! News is not a democracy where the majority decide what is and what is not newsworthy!!! You have heard of the First Amendment to our Constitution, haven't you? Or does it mean only YOU have First Amendment rights and we do not?
Isn't it funny that you hate Fox New for reporting what you don't want them to report while I have contempt for the LSM for burying the news.
Learn to Read

Camby, IN

#154031 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>So, just what does the USSC say? They do not mention "natural born citizen", do they?
The MD Court disagrees. They say that SCOTUS clearly held that born here = natural born citizen.

So did the AZ Court ...

Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling:“Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#154032 May 2, 2013
Fed Up wrote:
Revealed: Multiple Obama Birth Certificates Surface In Alabama Supreme Court Case
http://networkedblogs.com/KMjvu
Obama and Western Backed Al Qaeda Terrorists Behead Innocent Syrians
http://humanrightsactivists.wordpress.com/201...
Cold Case Posse: "Obama's Selective Service Card poorly forged."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =esPh4CIcy-MXX
The word 'natural" means without adulteration, undoubted, and that is why Obama is NOT a "natural-born citizen" of the United States of America. By the letter of the law, at the time, he was born a British Subject before he became an Indonesian. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this bisexual thug is using yet another of numerous fake Social Security numbers. Trump, Pat Boone, Alan Keyes, Sheriff Joe Arpaio were all correct when they publicly proclaimed "Obama is illegal." Thanks to the Freemasons we have this usurping despot ushering in the NWO as Big Brother.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154033 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
At the time of the assault, no one knew how long it would last. What if it had gone on for a few days?
But the facts are that Obama is OBSTRUCTING justice by preventing our people from testifying before Congress. It has been seven f-ing months and they just started looking for suspects!!!
Oh, siting Fox News is biased but sitting ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN is NOT?! News is not a democracy where the majority decide what is and what is not newsworthy!!! You have heard of the First Amendment to our Constitution, haven't you? Or does it mean only YOU have First Amendment rights and we do not?
Isn't it funny that you hate Fox New for reporting what you don't want them to report while I have contempt for the LSM for burying the news.
You wrote : "At the time of the assault, no one knew how long it would last. What if it had gone on for a few days?" Thanks for answering my question. So, nothing COULD be done. Why have you been constantly blaming Obama for not taking action? And why do you suppose he or Sec of State Clinton would've been informed from the very beginning of the attack?

Preventing witnesses? What about Clinton and CIA head testimonies? Can you go much higher than that? How is Obama preventing other witnesses from testifying? Any inside info about that? ALL networks report what or what they don't want to report. That is why trash like foxnews.com is still allowed to function. Oh, I don't hate Foxnews.com . You invented that. Show me where I said I hated foxnews.com . Hate is a strong word. I hardly ever use it except to say I hate green peas.

Oh, you don't have an embassy in Benghazi. Embassies can only be located in capital cities. That would be Tripoli.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#154034 May 2, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>The word 'natural" means without adulteration, undoubted, and that is why Obama is NOT a "natural-born citizen" of the United States of America. By the letter of the law, at the time, he was born a British Subject before he became an Indonesian. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this bisexual thug is using yet another of numerous fake Social Security numbers. Trump, Pat Boone, Alan Keyes, Sheriff Joe Arpaio were all correct when they publicly proclaimed "Obama is illegal." Thanks to the Freemasons we have this usurping despot ushering in the NWO as Big Brother.
Obama's birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the public Index Data file and the birth notice in the Hawaii papers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii all show that Obama was born in Hawaii.

And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen has been decided by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to come from the common law and to include every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats. Disagree? Well, birthers have taken their claim that two US parents are required to ten, TEN, US appeals courts, and not a single one of them has ruled their way. They all agreed that the meaning was defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case. And, on Oct. 1, of last year, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of one of those ten cases, meaning that it left its ruling that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats STANDING.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#154035 May 2, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
ngham also said:
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
It seems that by 1869 he had changed his mind from what he said in 1866.
More importantly, Senator Lyman Trumball, the actual author of the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment, said:
“By the terms of the Constitution he must have been a citizen of the United States for nine years before he could take a seat here, and seven years before he could take a seat in the other House ; and, in order to be President of the United States, a person must be a native-born citizen. It is the common law of this country, and of all countries, and it was unnecessary to incorporate it in the Constitution, that a person is a citizen of the country in which he is born. I read from Paschale's Annotated Constitution, note 274:‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together.’ Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are, in theory, born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons.”—Sen. Trumbull, Cong. Globe. 1st Session, 42nd Congress, pt. 1, pg. 575 (1872)
LMAO!!! Yes, in 1869 all persons born in the US not subject to any foreign power could be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, Natural Born Citizens.
Trumbull wasn't the actual author of the Citizenship Clause.
The remainder of your post is irrelevant, since the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868 and became law of the land.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#154036 May 2, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor Dufus. Every time you post your fable the world laughs. Sucks to be Dufus. Do the world a favor. Get some new material
LMAO!!! The only thing that sucks, is you inability to understand what you read.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#154037 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have already stated my interests. Poopo thinks Obama's award ceremony was far more important that this murder trial. And apparently the LSM also feels that way.<quoted text>
Not one of you Libtards has ever explained what Obama did in 2008 to win the 2008 Nobel Peace Prize? Being the first half-black to be elected president is not a reason to be even recommended for the Nobel Peace Prize.
In other words, the Nobel Peace Prize has become a Liberal political football
You really need to do something about your senility Rogue as it appears to be getting worse and I do believe they have medication that can at least slow the progression.

Liberals need not explain anything the Nobel committee does as they have their own proficient spokes persons who are very capable of explaining their own decisions whether you agree with them or not.

That said, I’ll post the same explanation and video I posted a couple of weeks ago when you posited the same question. However in short he was awarded the prize for his vision.

“The president has produced an entirely new international climate since taking office, which is a concrete achievement in and of itself”
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20091009...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#154038 May 2, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Did the framers think the two were interchangeable? "
Answer: YES.
Native-born citizen and Natural-born citizen are synonyms. They were then, and they are now. In fact, as one major demonstration that they are synonyms and have long been considered so in common American use is the questions asked when men registered for the draft in WWI (yes, one).
They were asked whether or not they were citizens, and then, if they were, whether they were naturalized or natural born. Notice, only two possibilities, naturalized--meaning not citizens at birth---and natural born, meaning citizens at birth. Only two categories. Every citizen who is not naturalized is natural born.
That is the way that Tucker and Rawle, who knew the writers of the US Constitution, used the term Natural Born Citizen.
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
LMAO!!! You seem to forget, everything changed in 1866/1868, states no longer made citizens.
Yep, in order to be a citizen at birth, you had to be "and subject to the jurisdiction, there of", just simply saying not a citizen of another nation at birth.
The US Constitution has never recognized a dual-citizenship status and the US can not strip a citizenship from anyone, unless requested by that person.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#154039 May 2, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>The word 'natural" means without adulteration, undoubted, and that is why Obama is NOT a "natural-born citizen" of the United States of America. By the letter of the law, at the time, he was born a British Subject before he became an Indonesian. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this bisexual thug is using yet another of numerous fake Social Security numbers. Trump, Pat Boone, Alan Keyes, Sheriff Joe Arpaio were all correct when they publicly proclaimed "Obama is illegal." Thanks to the Freemasons we have this usurping despot ushering in the NWO as Big Brother.
So tell us Doc. Are there any groups of more than 7 people that aren't out to get you?
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#154040 May 2, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you don't think there is any difference? Did the framers think the two were interchangeable? All you're doing is making a play on words which is immature and a waste of time. Admit it! You poor dipshyt! monkeylips BTW, why was a distinction necessary? LMAO!!!
Louisiana Loser, I noticed a whole lot of gum flapping and absolutely no support for your childish views.

This is getting to be quite a habit with you.

All you have to do is simply support your infantile opinion on jurisdiction with case law. It's also very simple: you can support your silly opinion with case law that distinguishes native and natural born or you can stop whining.

Looks like you choose to continue to boo hoo.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#154041 May 2, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! The only thing that sucks, is you inability to understand what you read.
Says the moron that runs for cover everytime his fable is challenged
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#154042 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, a non-judicial opinion. Worthless!
Rogue Moron again proves he is too dumb and has too little an attention span to read the WKA decision. The words are used interchangeably throughout.

There is only citizenship or alien status.

Citizenship is only distinguished between naturalized and natural born. Anyone born in the country not to an invading force or diplomat parents is a natural born citizen.

This is law that has been settled for over 100 years. It's not going to be overturned for the like of a few birfoons, and soon you'll see the requirements to become president loosened to include those wholly foreign born, but probably not within the lifetimes of elderly and idiotic birfoons.

Boo hoo hoo.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#154043 May 2, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! The only thing that sucks, is you inability to understand what you read.
Justice Dumbarse, too bad you're unable to actually support your inanities.

You're a strict constructionalist, whoop de doo.

All you need now is to actually be right and to get four more Justices on the SC that have similar forms of interpretation.

Too bad neither of those things is happening, huh?

Boo hoo hoo
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#154044 May 2, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Says the moron that runs for cover everytime his fable is challenged
LMAO!!! You a challenge, surly you jest!! You better learn to read, first!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#154045 May 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Evangelicals? What's that go to the with the Constitution?
What does this" "What's that go to the with the Constitution?", mean?
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#154046 May 2, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! You a challenge, surly you jest!! You better learn to read, first!!!
Duck and cover Dufus. Duck and cover

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#154047 May 2, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
The MD Court disagrees. They say that SCOTUS clearly held that born here = natural born citizen.
So did the AZ Court ...
Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling:“Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President
Ah, states can not rule on the constitutionality of any federal law! Only federal courts can do that.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#154048 May 2, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Justice Dumbarse, too bad you're unable to actually support your inanities.
You're a strict constructionalist, whoop de doo.
All you need now is to actually be right and to get four more Justices on the SC that have similar forms of interpretation.
Too bad neither of those things is happening, huh?
Boo hoo hoo
LMAO!!! I don't have to support anything, that is all accomplished by the framers of the Constitution and its amendments.
I don't need the USSC, they do not have the final say, that is left to the US Constitution, its amendment and those that framed both.
The US Constitution has jurisdiction over all three branches of our government and precedents can not be set with Unconstitutional rulings.

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