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#153972 May 2, 2013
We, at no time, carpet bomb any populated area. We did carpet bomb the tunnel area of Cu Chi and the Ho Chi Minh Trail in Cambodia and Laos.
Cu Chi tunnels
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cu_Chi_tunnels

Oh, and the Phoenix Program started in 1965 under LBJ but continued until 1972 under Nixon. That is like if we today murdered every village chief in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Phoenix Program was by and large, just plain murder.

Phoenix Program
The program was in operation between 1965 and 1972, and similar efforts existed both before and after that period. By 1972, Phoenix operatives had "neutralized" 81,740 suspected NLF operatives, informants and supporters, of whom 26,369 were killed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Program

BTW, the VC and NVA were doing the same thing but two wrongs do not make a right. In any event, Kissinger may have know about it but he had nothing to do with it.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#153973 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, just how did Kissinger "carpet-bomb" or "assassinate" Cambodia? This I have to hear how you Libtards figured out that one!
Ever hear of the secret carpet bombing of Cambodia and Laos as planned and engineered by the Nixon/Kissinger duo?(was it you who said LBJ and McNamara micro-managed the war? HA!). And how that brought the weak puppet Lon Nol to power in another of those CIA-blunder-engineered coups and how easily he was deposed by Pol Pot and how that initiated the "killing fields"? You're not too good at this, are you? Stick to driving helicopters, small planes and keep your opinions to yourself and don't ask questions except "where is the john?".

It seems everyone but you knows about these affairs. Will you believe your beloved Wikipedia?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu&#820... ;

If my link doesn't work, as it often does not, just google "secret bombing of Cambodia and Laos". Got it?
Learn to Read

Camby, IN

#153974 May 2, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>Off yourself immediately and the world will laugh, not with you but at you! Sparky, the world will never laugh with you because you've never said anything remotely funny. They're laughing alright......AT you! Like me, see...LMAO! squidiot
Psssst. Hey Romper. You forgot to call me a troll. You're slipping wuss boy

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#153975 May 2, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The birther quoted the personal opinion of Bingham, and then I showed that he had changed that opinion, and I added another opinion.
As for a Supreme Court ruling, well, that ALSO shows that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth. Here is the key ruling, the ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case (which, btw, was AFTER Minor v. Happersett):
"
It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
That quite clearly shows that the majority in the Wong Kim Ark case (and it was six justices to two, one not voting) held that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen came from the common law ("by the law of England for the last three centuries") and that it referred to the place of birth, not the citizenship of the parents. It also said that the same rule was used in England and in the 13 colonies and in the early states and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. And it said that Natural Born Citizen includes all the children born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Ellen wrote : "The birther quoted the personal opinion of Bingham, and then I showed that he had changed that opinion, and I added another opinion."
Everyone read, knew, and understood that. Except Rogue. Comprehension does not come quickly and easily to Rogue, as he's so often shown.
We shan't hear anymore from him on that one.
Where does it say in United States v. Wong Kim Ark or in the Fourteenth Amendment does it say "natural Born citizen"?
Again, all it says is "citizen". Wong Kim Ark was a "native born citizen" as he was born on U.S. soil. But John McCain is a "natural born citizen" as both of his parents were U.S. citizens. My younger sister, who was born in Munich Germany in 1956 is also a "natural born citizen", again, because both of her parents were also U.S. citizens. And she has a DS-1350 to prove it. John McCain does not have a DS-1350 because the Panama "Canal Zone" was a U.S. territory at the time of his birth.
Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350)
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/faq/faq_...

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#153976 May 2, 2013
Jacques,
I just read that President Obama is going to nominate Penny Pritzker as Commerce Secretary.
My questions to you are how and why does one of the richest people in America wind up with the name "Penny"?
Could it be that she is a Penny Pinscher? My understanding is that the penny is derived from the British pence, and that in America the coin is officailly called the 'cent'.
I do not trust her.
loose
Learn to Read

Camby, IN

#153977 May 2, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>The birther quoted the personal opinion of Bingham, and then I showed that he had changed that opinion, and I added another opinion....
Birfistan law as handed down by Dufus Dale - "any opinion that may support our fables is to be considered an absolute expression of legislative intent. Any opinion that is contrary to our fable is erroneous and irrelevant."

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#153978 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The birther quoted the personal opinion of Bingham, and then I showed that he had changed that opinion, and I added another opinion.
As for a Supreme Court ruling, well, that ALSO shows that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth. Here is the key ruling, the ruling in the Wong Kim Ark case (which, btw, was AFTER Minor v. Happersett):
"
It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
That quite clearly shows that the majority in the Wong Kim Ark case (and it was six justices to two, one not voting) held that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen came from the common law ("by the law of England for the last three centuries") and that it referred to the place of birth, not the citizenship of the parents. It also said that the same rule was used in England and in the 13 colonies and in the early states and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION. And it said that Natural Born Citizen includes all the children born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats.
<quoted text>
Where does it say in United States v. Wong Kim Ark or in the Fourteenth Amendment does it say "natural Born citizen"?
Again, all it says is "citizen". Wong Kim Ark was a "native born citizen" as he was born on U.S. soil. But John McCain is a "natural born citizen" as both of his parents were U.S. citizens. My younger sister, who was born in Munich Germany in 1956 is also a "natural born citizen", again, because both of her parents were also U.S. citizens. And she has a DS-1350 to prove it. John McCain does not have a DS-1350 because the Panama "Canal Zone" was a U.S. territory at the time of his birth.
Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350)
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/faq/faq_...
Irrelevant , totally irrelevant AGAIN. How on earth is your post relevant to Bingham? Who do you think you're fooling? You're an embarrassment to the birther movement and that, Rogue, is a stretch. Even LRS has taken refuge in his one-man trailer and refuses to talk to WND.com and Foxnews.com reporters LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#153979 May 2, 2013
loose cannon wrote:
Jacques,
I just read that President Obama is going to nominate Penny Pritzker as Commerce Secretary.
My questions to you are how and why does one of the richest people in America wind up with the name "Penny"?
Could it be that she is a Penny Pinscher? My understanding is that the penny is derived from the British pence, and that in America the coin is officailly called the 'cent'.
I do not trust her.
loose
How crushed she must be that , as you wrote "I do not trust her."
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#153980 May 2, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Psssst. Hey Romper. You forgot to call me a troll. You're slipping wuss boy
You're the only person I know who gets upset because he WASN'T called a troll! LMAO! You're new aren't you? A bit green? A bit stupid? Yep, yep and yep. MoeRon, sparkle for us! LMAO!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#153981 May 2, 2013
Re: "Where does it say in United States v. Wong Kim Ark or in the Fourteenth Amendment does it say "natural Born citizen"?"

Here it is again:

"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."

It says that everyone born in England was a "Natural born subject". Then it says that the same rule was practiced in the colonies, and in the early states and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

The ruling also quotes this: "All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. "

The ruling also quotes this: "Before our Revolution, all free persons born within the dominions of the King of Great Britain, whatever their color or complexion, were native-born British subjects; those born out of his allegiance were aliens.... Upon the Revolution, no other change took place in the law of North Carolina than was consequent upon the transition from a colony dependent on an European King to a free and sovereign [p664] State; ... British subjects in North Carolina became North Carolina freemen; ... and all free persons born within the State are born citizens of the State.... The term "citizen," as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term "subject" in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. "

And so far TEN appeals court rulings on the issue of presidential eligibility have all ruled that the Wong Kim Ark case did indeed rule that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen, and not one of them ruled that the Minor v. Happersett decision applied or that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born Citizen.

And on October 1, 2012, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of one of those ten appeals court rulings, which had said that the Wong Kim Ark case said that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born US Citizen. The result of the US Supreme Court decision to turn down the appeal, is that the ruling of that appeals court, and the other nine appeals courts, STAND.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#153982 May 2, 2013
Hey Flappers, guess y'all are pretty bumbed that your bomb making buddies got caught, huh? I'm sure they're related to one of you! What a sad bunch of losers. LMAO squidiots

Since: May 10

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#153983 May 2, 2013
Yep, I agree, this is very racist. But the producer is BLACK so Pepsico aired it! What were they thinking?
http://stereogum.com/1338781/pepsi-pulls-tyle...
If a white guy had produced this video, he would have been lynched.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#153984 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>

Where does it say in United States v. Wong Kim Ark or in the Fourteenth Amendment does it say "natural Born citizen"?
Again, all it says is "citizen". Wong Kim Ark was a "native born citizen" as he was born on U.S. soil. But John McCain is a "natural born citizen" as both of his parents were U.S. citizens. My younger sister, who was born in Munich Germany in 1956 is also a "natural born citizen", again, because both of her parents were also U.S. citizens. And she has a DS-1350 to prove it. John McCain does not have a DS-1350 because the Panama "Canal Zone" was a U.S. territory at the time of his birth.
Certification of Report of Birth (DS-1350)
http://www.travel.state.gov/passport/faq/faq_...
L O L, Rogue Dumbarse has never read the WKA decision because it's too long for his infantile attention span.

The 14th Amendment does not need to have those exact words in it, Rogue Dumbarse. The whole point is to make citizens out of all the people, slaves included, born in this country. The only distinction is between natural born and naturalized.

If you had a brain, you would know that there is a difference between "necessary" and "sufficient." It is sufficient to be born in the US to be a natural born citizen.

It is sufficient to have two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen if born outside the country. Is it necessary? No court has ever ruled on that.

Please do not weigh in on matters you do not understand.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#153985 May 2, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You're the only person I know who gets upset because he WASN'T called a troll! LMAO! You're new aren't you? A bit green? A bit stupid? Yep, yep and yep. MoeRon, sparkle for us! LMAO!!!
Er, slug, "troll" may seem like a compliment when you are so addressed, but for most sane people, it's pejorative. And when I call you slithering slug, it's not meant as a compliment. Hope that clears it up for you.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#153986 May 2, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Where does it say in United States v. Wong Kim Ark or in the Fourteenth Amendment does it say "natural Born citizen"?"
Here it is again:
"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.
III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established."
It says that everyone born in England was a "Natural born subject". Then it says that the same rule was practiced in the colonies, and in the early states and UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.
The ruling also quotes this: "All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. "
The ruling also quotes this: "Before our Revolution, all free persons born within the dominions of the King of Great Britain, whatever their color or complexion, were native-born British subjects; those born out of his allegiance were aliens.... Upon the Revolution, no other change took place in the law of North Carolina than was consequent upon the transition from a colony dependent on an European King to a free and sovereign [p664] State; ... British subjects in North Carolina became North Carolina freemen; ... and all free persons born within the State are born citizens of the State.... The term "citizen," as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term "subject" in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. "
And so far TEN appeals court rulings on the issue of presidential eligibility have all ruled that the Wong Kim Ark case did indeed rule that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen, and not one of them ruled that the Minor v. Happersett decision applied or that two citizen parents are required to be a Natural Born Citizen.
And on October 1, 2012, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of one of those ten appeals court rulings, which had said that the Wong Kim Ark case said that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born US Citizen. The result of the US Supreme Court decision to turn down the appeal, is that the ruling of that appeals court, and the other nine appeals courts, STAND.
Hey stupid, that is NOT the findings of United States v. Wong Kim Ark. Show us in the ORIGINAL findings of United States v. Wong Kim Ark and no other interpretations of it.
But the fact is a no place in United States v. Wong Kim Ark does it mention "natural born citizen" and neither is it mentioned in the Fourteen Amendment!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#153987 May 2, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
L O L, Rogue Dumbarse has never read the WKA decision because it's too long for his infantile attention span.
The 14th Amendment does not need to have those exact words in it, Rogue Dumbarse. The whole point is to make citizens out of all the people, slaves included, born in this country. The only distinction is between natural born and naturalized.
If you had a brain, you would know that there is a difference between "necessary" and "sufficient." It is sufficient to be born in the US to be a natural born citizen.
It is sufficient to have two citizen parents to be a natural born citizen if born outside the country. Is it necessary? No court has ever ruled on that.
Please do not weigh in on matters you do not understand.
Barfer Girks, are you really this stupid? If you're going to make a play on words then I'll give you another, Native Born Citizen. Tell us Barfer, what is the difference between the two, native/natural? Please do not open your mouth anymore as only turds fall out! squidiot

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#153988 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, I agree, this is very racist. But the producer is BLACK so Pepsico aired it! What were they thinking?
http://stereogum.com/1338781/pepsi-pulls-tyle...
If a white guy had produced this video, he would have been lynched.
I would not have thought it's racist, but rather stupid, moronic, insensitive and moslty appealing to today's 12 to 35-yr-old men who remain immature into middle-age. It treats defenceless little older ladies and rape like they were the the norm. Ever seen the Progressive, Geico and other stupid commercials?

Oh, Rogue, heard about this probable NRA adorator and gun lover who gave his FIVE-YR-OLD (yes, 5 years of age) a 22 cal carbine, he instantly killed his older sister or brother, not sure, so disgusting, I don't want details. How many of those Cletuses like you and LRS and Justice ha ha Dale and KFC GB and Un-Anti-American communist Lady and Frank etc would emulate this inbred creature?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#153989 May 2, 2013
I know how you Libtards read between the lines but in no place in U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark nor the Fourteenth Amendment does it mention "natural born citizen"! NOWHERE!!!

Neither the 14th Amendment nor Wong Kim Ark make one a Natural Born Citizen, July 15, 2009

In defining what an Article II “natural born Citizen” is, we do not seek to read into the Constitution that which was not intended and written there by the Framers. Despite popular belief, the Fourteenth Amendment does not convey the status of “natural born Citizen” in its text nor in its intent. Some add an implication to the actual wording of the Fourteenth Amendment by equating the amendment’s “citizen” to Article II’s “natural born Citizen.” But nowhere does the 14th Amendment confer “natural born citizen” status. The words simply do not appear there, but some would have us believe they are implied. But the wording of the Amendment is clear in showing that it confers citizenship only and nothing more.

The intent and purpose of the amendment was to provide equal citizenship to all Americans either born on U.S. soil or naturalized therein and subject to the jurisdiction thereof. It does not grant “natural born Citizen” status. It only confers “citizen” status, as that is the exact word used by the Amendment itself and that is the same word that appears in Article I, II, III, and IV of the Constitution. It just conveys the status of “citizen,” and as we learned from how the Framers handled the Naturalization Acts of 1790 and 1795, being a “citizen” does not necessarily mean that one is a “natural born Citizen.”

The Fourteenth Amendment only tells us who may become members of the community called the United States, i.e., those born on U.S. soil or naturalized and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are U.S. citizens. The amendment was needed because under Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1856), slaves and their descendents, whether free or not, were not considered as being members of that community even though born on U.S. soil and unlike the American Indians subject to the jurisdiction thereof. But the amendment only allowed these slaves and their descendents to become a member of the U.S. community by making them U.S. citizens. Once those persons or anybody else (e.g. Wong Kim Ark) so became a member of the U.S. community (became a U.S. citizen by birth on U.S. soil or through naturalization), then that person could join with another U.S. citizen and procreate a child on U.S. soil who would then be an Article II "natural born Citizen."
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2009/07/neither-14t...

Since: May 10

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#153990 May 2, 2013
I am sure most of you have no idea what the purse is hooked on but for starters this is in a flight simulator and not a real aircraft.
The four yellow and black striped handles do two things. If you pull it straight on it 1) cuts off the fuel to that engine and it 2) arms the automatic fire extinguishers. Now, if she turns it left or right, it will fire one fire extinguisher. Turn it the other way it will fire another one.
Every engine does not have two extinguishers but the two engines of the same wing share the same bottles. There are two squibs on each bottle. One fires it goes to one engine and the other one shoots it into the other engine. But you get only one shot per bottle.
I have only on two occasions activated that lever. One was an actual in flight engine failure and the other one was a major fuel leak on engine start. Oh, the mechanic who had installed the fuel control, well, it forgot the gasket and when I hit the start button about ten gallons of jet fuel poured over the engine!!!

http://static.environmentalgraffiti.com/sites...
Grand Birther

United States

#153991 May 2, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Barfer Girks, are you really this stupid? If you're going to make a play on words then I'll give you another, Native Born Citizen. Tell us Barfer, what is the difference between the two, native/natural? Please do not open your mouth anymore as only turds fall out! squidiot
Louisiana Loser, I realize you're very dumb and are incapable of legal research.

I'll help you: the courts use native and natural synonymously.

It would be helpful if you could actually cite some case law to support your childish and inane opinions, but every time that is asked of you, you fail miserably.

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