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BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154021 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I sure hope this Global Warming does not get any worse.
Rare May storm dumps more than a foot of snow in Wisconsin, Minnesota - By Brendan O'Brien | Reuters –
http://news.yahoo.com/rare-may-storm-dumps-mo...
80 F here today. Normal is 60F . What do you make of this, Rogue? What about the drought in southern CAL and out-of-control brush fires which normally occur in the fall?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154022 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, Solar Cycle #24 the coldest solar cycle in over 90 years. But have no worries as evil mankind is more powerful than the sun!
http://news.yahoo.com/rare-may-storm-dumps-mo...
How many times I have to ask you, Rogue the climatologist? Have the global temps risen or fallen in the last 20, 30, 40 years? If so, up or down, how much? As I said, I'm not the expert you are in these matters and the way you expertly write about meteorology, you should have those numbers at your fingertips.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#154023 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Do you?
Nothing that supports your fable. Lots of decisions that sink it.

Take for example:

Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154024 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
If mankind is as powerful as you think they are, why did we just not cap Mount Pinatubo and prevent it from erupting?
The June 12-15, 1991, eruption of 1475m Pinatubo volcano, located 100 kilometers northwest of Manila in the Philippines, was one of the largest eruptions of this century and it strongly effected some aspects of our climate.
......
The eruption of the volcano produced a large number of micrometer-sized droplets (aerosols) of sulfuric acid which were thrown into the stratosphere. These particles eventually spread out over the globe. The very small droplets blocked energy coming from the Sun, the result was that the Earth cooled off a little with about a half degree centigrade.
.....
These volcanic droplets had also got some other side effects, the particles catalyzed heterogeneous reactions that were probably the cause of unusually low ozone levels.
http://library.thinkquest.org/17457/volcanoes...
Well,well, so eruption of Mount Pinatubo may have temporarily halted global warming and accelerated ozone depletion. Ooooookay. Oh, how about those rises or falls in global temps the last 20, 30 40 years?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#154026 May 2, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Nothing that supports your fable. Lots of decisions that sink it.
Take for example:
Fair v. Obama (Maryland 2012) ruling: The issue of the definition of “natural born citizen” is thus firmly resolved by the United States Supreme Court in a prior opinion [US v Wong], and as this court sees it, that holding is binding on the ultimate issue in this case
So, just what does the USSC say? They do not mention "natural born citizen", do they?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154028 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Well maybe Jon Daily is not a looney-lefty, but he is left of center and he has figured Obama out!
Limbo Update The Daily Show with Jon Stewart 1 May 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =t1tEWJxKTH0XX
You really really don't get it. Libs and dems can afford to laugh at themselves. Conservatives can't because they have so much to laugh about.

John Daily is smart, intelligent and witty. And a liberal, don't kid yourself. Too smart to be conservative.

PS : Ask your repub friends in Congress why they won't close Guantanamo, not Obama.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154029 May 2, 2013
LRS wrote:
Evangelicals? What's that go to the with the Constitution?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#154030 May 2, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Rogue : "All three network newscasts on Monday and Tuesday ignored the shocking assertions made by a whistleblower who told Fox News that special forces could have responded to the 2012 terrorist attack on Benghazi". What BS. What utter speculative BS. Were there US troops on the ground? How far offshore were the ships that carried helicopters? How long to prepare the men, the machines and flight time to the site? Is there a close place where they can land? You know if this whistleblower has the answers to these questions? FBI and CIA turning on Obama? Can you indicate where you got that? You cite Foxnews.com and http://conservativebyte.com ...could you even be more biased?
At the time of the assault, no one knew how long it would last. What if it had gone on for a few days?
But the facts are that Obama is OBSTRUCTING justice by preventing our people from testifying before Congress. It has been seven f-ing months and they just started looking for suspects!!!
Oh, siting Fox News is biased but sitting ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN is NOT?! News is not a democracy where the majority decide what is and what is not newsworthy!!! You have heard of the First Amendment to our Constitution, haven't you? Or does it mean only YOU have First Amendment rights and we do not?
Isn't it funny that you hate Fox New for reporting what you don't want them to report while I have contempt for the LSM for burying the news.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#154031 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>So, just what does the USSC say? They do not mention "natural born citizen", do they?
The MD Court disagrees. They say that SCOTUS clearly held that born here = natural born citizen.

So did the AZ Court ...

Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling:“Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President

“Kenyan-born Obama=Antichrist”

Since: Sep 09

Casper, WY

#154032 May 2, 2013
Fed Up wrote:
Revealed: Multiple Obama Birth Certificates Surface In Alabama Supreme Court Case
http://networkedblogs.com/KMjvu
Obama and Western Backed Al Qaeda Terrorists Behead Innocent Syrians
http://humanrightsactivists.wordpress.com/201...
Cold Case Posse: "Obama's Selective Service Card poorly forged."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =esPh4CIcy-MXX
The word 'natural" means without adulteration, undoubted, and that is why Obama is NOT a "natural-born citizen" of the United States of America. By the letter of the law, at the time, he was born a British Subject before he became an Indonesian. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this bisexual thug is using yet another of numerous fake Social Security numbers. Trump, Pat Boone, Alan Keyes, Sheriff Joe Arpaio were all correct when they publicly proclaimed "Obama is illegal." Thanks to the Freemasons we have this usurping despot ushering in the NWO as Big Brother.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#154033 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
At the time of the assault, no one knew how long it would last. What if it had gone on for a few days?
But the facts are that Obama is OBSTRUCTING justice by preventing our people from testifying before Congress. It has been seven f-ing months and they just started looking for suspects!!!
Oh, siting Fox News is biased but sitting ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, CNN is NOT?! News is not a democracy where the majority decide what is and what is not newsworthy!!! You have heard of the First Amendment to our Constitution, haven't you? Or does it mean only YOU have First Amendment rights and we do not?
Isn't it funny that you hate Fox New for reporting what you don't want them to report while I have contempt for the LSM for burying the news.
You wrote : "At the time of the assault, no one knew how long it would last. What if it had gone on for a few days?" Thanks for answering my question. So, nothing COULD be done. Why have you been constantly blaming Obama for not taking action? And why do you suppose he or Sec of State Clinton would've been informed from the very beginning of the attack?

Preventing witnesses? What about Clinton and CIA head testimonies? Can you go much higher than that? How is Obama preventing other witnesses from testifying? Any inside info about that? ALL networks report what or what they don't want to report. That is why trash like foxnews.com is still allowed to function. Oh, I don't hate Foxnews.com . You invented that. Show me where I said I hated foxnews.com . Hate is a strong word. I hardly ever use it except to say I hate green peas.

Oh, you don't have an embassy in Benghazi. Embassies can only be located in capital cities. That would be Tripoli.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#154034 May 2, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>The word 'natural" means without adulteration, undoubted, and that is why Obama is NOT a "natural-born citizen" of the United States of America. By the letter of the law, at the time, he was born a British Subject before he became an Indonesian. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this bisexual thug is using yet another of numerous fake Social Security numbers. Trump, Pat Boone, Alan Keyes, Sheriff Joe Arpaio were all correct when they publicly proclaimed "Obama is illegal." Thanks to the Freemasons we have this usurping despot ushering in the NWO as Big Brother.
Obama's birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties in Hawaii and the public Index Data file and the birth notice in the Hawaii papers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii all show that Obama was born in Hawaii.

And the meaning of Natural Born Citizen has been decided by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to come from the common law and to include every child born on US soil except for the children of foreign diplomats. Disagree? Well, birthers have taken their claim that two US parents are required to ten, TEN, US appeals courts, and not a single one of them has ruled their way. They all agreed that the meaning was defined by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case. And, on Oct. 1, of last year, the US Supreme Court turned down an appeal of one of those ten cases, meaning that it left its ruling that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen except for the children of foreign diplomats STANDING.
Justice Dale

United States

#154035 May 2, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
ngham also said:
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
It seems that by 1869 he had changed his mind from what he said in 1866.
More importantly, Senator Lyman Trumball, the actual author of the citizenship clause of the 14th amendment, said:
“By the terms of the Constitution he must have been a citizen of the United States for nine years before he could take a seat here, and seven years before he could take a seat in the other House ; and, in order to be President of the United States, a person must be a native-born citizen. It is the common law of this country, and of all countries, and it was unnecessary to incorporate it in the Constitution, that a person is a citizen of the country in which he is born. I read from Paschale's Annotated Constitution, note 274:‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together.’ Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are, in theory, born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons.”—Sen. Trumbull, Cong. Globe. 1st Session, 42nd Congress, pt. 1, pg. 575 (1872)
LMAO!!! Yes, in 1869 all persons born in the US not subject to any foreign power could be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, Natural Born Citizens.
Trumbull wasn't the actual author of the Citizenship Clause.
The remainder of your post is irrelevant, since the 14th amendment was ratified in 1868 and became law of the land.
Justice Dale

United States

#154036 May 2, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Poor Dufus. Every time you post your fable the world laughs. Sucks to be Dufus. Do the world a favor. Get some new material
LMAO!!! The only thing that sucks, is you inability to understand what you read.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#154037 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
I have already stated my interests. Poopo thinks Obama's award ceremony was far more important that this murder trial. And apparently the LSM also feels that way.<quoted text>
Not one of you Libtards has ever explained what Obama did in 2008 to win the 2008 Nobel Peace Prize? Being the first half-black to be elected president is not a reason to be even recommended for the Nobel Peace Prize.
In other words, the Nobel Peace Prize has become a Liberal political football
You really need to do something about your senility Rogue as it appears to be getting worse and I do believe they have medication that can at least slow the progression.

Liberals need not explain anything the Nobel committee does as they have their own proficient spokes persons who are very capable of explaining their own decisions whether you agree with them or not.

That said, I’ll post the same explanation and video I posted a couple of weeks ago when you posited the same question. However in short he was awarded the prize for his vision.

“The president has produced an entirely new international climate since taking office, which is a concrete achievement in and of itself”
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20091009...
Justice Dale

United States

#154038 May 2, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Re: "Did the framers think the two were interchangeable? "
Answer: YES.
Native-born citizen and Natural-born citizen are synonyms. They were then, and they are now. In fact, as one major demonstration that they are synonyms and have long been considered so in common American use is the questions asked when men registered for the draft in WWI (yes, one).
They were asked whether or not they were citizens, and then, if they were, whether they were naturalized or natural born. Notice, only two possibilities, naturalized--meaning not citizens at birth---and natural born, meaning citizens at birth. Only two categories. Every citizen who is not naturalized is natural born.
That is the way that Tucker and Rawle, who knew the writers of the US Constitution, used the term Natural Born Citizen.
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
LMAO!!! You seem to forget, everything changed in 1866/1868, states no longer made citizens.
Yep, in order to be a citizen at birth, you had to be "and subject to the jurisdiction, there of", just simply saying not a citizen of another nation at birth.
The US Constitution has never recognized a dual-citizenship status and the US can not strip a citizenship from anyone, unless requested by that person.
Learn to Read

Whiteland, IN

#154039 May 2, 2013
WelbyMD wrote:
<quoted text>The word 'natural" means without adulteration, undoubted, and that is why Obama is NOT a "natural-born citizen" of the United States of America. By the letter of the law, at the time, he was born a British Subject before he became an Indonesian. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and this bisexual thug is using yet another of numerous fake Social Security numbers. Trump, Pat Boone, Alan Keyes, Sheriff Joe Arpaio were all correct when they publicly proclaimed "Obama is illegal." Thanks to the Freemasons we have this usurping despot ushering in the NWO as Big Brother.
So tell us Doc. Are there any groups of more than 7 people that aren't out to get you?
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#154040 May 2, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you don't think there is any difference? Did the framers think the two were interchangeable? All you're doing is making a play on words which is immature and a waste of time. Admit it! You poor dipshyt! monkeylips BTW, why was a distinction necessary? LMAO!!!
Louisiana Loser, I noticed a whole lot of gum flapping and absolutely no support for your childish views.

This is getting to be quite a habit with you.

All you have to do is simply support your infantile opinion on jurisdiction with case law. It's also very simple: you can support your silly opinion with case law that distinguishes native and natural born or you can stop whining.

Looks like you choose to continue to boo hoo.
Learn to Read

Whiteland, IN

#154041 May 2, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! The only thing that sucks, is you inability to understand what you read.
Says the moron that runs for cover everytime his fable is challenged
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#154042 May 2, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, a non-judicial opinion. Worthless!
Rogue Moron again proves he is too dumb and has too little an attention span to read the WKA decision. The words are used interchangeably throughout.

There is only citizenship or alien status.

Citizenship is only distinguished between naturalized and natural born. Anyone born in the country not to an invading force or diplomat parents is a natural born citizen.

This is law that has been settled for over 100 years. It's not going to be overturned for the like of a few birfoons, and soon you'll see the requirements to become president loosened to include those wholly foreign born, but probably not within the lifetimes of elderly and idiotic birfoons.

Boo hoo hoo.

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