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#152368 Apr 22, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
I was born in Indiana and my BC (short form) is just like yours and Obama’s and so are millions of other Americans including Mitt Romney, so obviously there was never anything strange about the BC as a certified BC is a certified BC. The problem always was and always will be the ignorant birfoon.
That is funny, I got a copy of my short form in 1985, to get a passport, and it is still in the same envelope I got it in yet mine has three fold marks while Obama's did not have ANY fold marks (in the first jpg image posting).
Mine has a multi-colored seal which is clearly visable (sure, if I photocopied it the multi-color would probably not copy correctly) while Obama's had no discernible seal!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#152369 Apr 22, 2013
Re: "Amazing! Not one damn refutation of anything that I said!"

Answer: This IS a refutation (and you have not even tried to answer it).

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (They weren't. His grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time) and dumb enough to send their daughter to a foreign country to give birth despite the risk of stillbirth (which was high at the time)----—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii (which was actually under a Republican governor in 1961) to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father's name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it). Or else, as some say, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) would have to be lying now.

What are the chances of all three of them happening?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#152370 Apr 22, 2013
Re: "Fraudulent long form birth certificate."

Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).

One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.

Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

And it is irrational (to say the least) to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#152371 Apr 22, 2013
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Despite no serious investigation and no valid evidence found that proves we are wrong?
So the Media, and the Press, is right and Law Enforcement is wrong????
1 question for you Poopoo stain, Any of those named above ever seen Obama's ORIGINAL long form birth certificate?
Any Congress-Person, Judge, anybody outside HDOH ever seen Obama's ORIGINAL long form birth certificate?
And you call me a fool, SHEEPLE!
You may continue to parrot the LIE, IDIOT!
Shades of Catch 22.

KFC GB : "Despite no serious investigation and no valid evidence found that proves we are wrong".

Really? God how it must suck...You surely must have meant to say "and no valid evidence found that proves we are right". YOU're accusing, birther, therefore the onus is on YOU to prove that you're right. You ARE the bloated Colonel.

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#152372 Apr 22, 2013
Meanwhile NO ONE has a Hawaiian birther certificate that looks like Obama's jpg image that he posted on the internet. I have seen microfiche copies of documents before and none of them looks anything like Obama's does.
Oh, I have a copy of my Army personnel records on microfiche. It is the size of a 3 X 4 index card.

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#152374 Apr 22, 2013
Hummm Jacques, Is Canada issuing Canadian passports to Iranians?

2. An Iranian man with a fake Israeli passport was nabbed in Nepal scouting out Israel’s embassy in Kathmandu and other tourist sites, according to the Himalayan Times. Some 10,000 Israelis visit Nepal every year — commonly backpacking across the country after completing three years of mandatory army service.

While we’re talking about Iranians scoping out soft Jewish targets, the Jerusalem Post reports that a few weeks after the Burgas bombing, Bulgarian police arrested an Iranian woman monitoring Sofia’s Chabad center. She was carrying a Canadian passport ...
http://honestreporting.com/israel-daily-news-...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#152375 Apr 22, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, we definitely need new gun laws for the honest citizens to comply with while the unlawful citizens continue to ignore them! The gun legislation that was turned down in the Senate included $125 fee for a background check. How long does a $125 background check take? About the same amount of time than the current $5 check will take!?!
REPORT: BOSTON MARATHON BOMBERS BROKE GUN LAWS TO ACQUIRE WEAPONS
Less than a week after the push by Democrats push for more gun control went down in flames in the Senate, Reuters is reporting the suspected Boston Marathon bombers ignored gun laws that are already on the books in possessing the firearms they used in shootouts with the police.
According to Reuters, "The two brothers suspected in the Boston Marathon bombings, who police say engaged in a gun battle early Friday after a frenzied manhunt, were not licensed to own guns in the towns where they lived."
This means the handguns and "at least one rifle" the brothers had with them were acquired and possessed in ways that broke laws already in existence.
For example, to have acquired and possessed the firearms legally, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the elder brother, would have first needed "to apply for a gun license with the local police department where he lived in Cambridge, Massachusetts."
In Massachusetts, a Firearms Identification Card (FID) is required before buying, transporting, or possessing a firearm.
Another example of how new gun control laws will not deter criminals who have been ignoring the old laws for years.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
Who told you they got them in Mass? Who told you they didn't get them from contacts or "friends"? Or from their "masters", whoever that may be? So many holes in owning and licencing laws, probably 50 different regulations for 50 different states.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#152376 Apr 22, 2013
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Psst, SHEEPLE, I'm not the one buying all of those guns. There are millions who believe that revolution is inevitable. 1776 may soon commence. Are you ready for it?
Where are those straight jackets when you need 'em?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#152377 Apr 22, 2013
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Psst, SHEEPLE, I'm not the one buying all of those guns. There are millions who believe that revolution is inevitable. 1776 may soon commence. Are you ready for it?
And accordingm to your scholarly historian birther comrade, Rogue, 1776 revolutionaries did not have the majority of the citizens with them. Guns made the difference, opines historian Rogue.

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#152379 Apr 22, 2013
Beck to Obama: Come clean on bombing, or else
Posted on April 22, 2013

The more that comes out about this the sadder it gets.
Check it out:

TV and radio host Glenn Beck has warned the Obama administration it has until Monday, April 22, to come clean about the Boston Marathon bombing, or he promises to “expose” what’s being hidden from the American public.

“I thought I had heard and seen it all. I thought I didn’t trust my government,” Beck lamented.“Oh, no. No, no. There is no depth that these people will not stoop to. They have until Monday, and then the Blaze will expose it.”

What is Beck threatening to expose? Apparently it has something to do with Abdul Rahman Ali Alharbi, a Saudi national initially questioned by police following the bombing, but since released.

“Let me just say this to those at the highest echelons of government,” Beck intoned.“We know who this Saudi national is. And it is in your best interest and the best interest of integrity and trust for the people of United States of America – it’s best coming from you, not coming from a news organization. It’s best coming from you. You have until Monday. We have information on who this man is.… We know he is a very bad, bad, bad man.”

Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2013/04/beck-to-o...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#152380 Apr 22, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
No - I'm sure Dale had spent at least as much time researching that as he has reading the Constitution
He whips your lil butt every single time! It's not his fault that you can't understand plain english. LMAO! squidmeat
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#152381 Apr 22, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Or google to see if it's true that you fart from your mouth. Save time, it's true.
Really jackfish, leave the humor thing alone. You just don't get it! LMAO!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#152382 Apr 22, 2013
Re: "Fraudulent Selective Service card."

Answer: The Selective Service Card was indeed forged. You are absolutely right that it was forged. However, it was forged by the guy who posted it, who was not---wait for it---Obama or any representative of Obama. Neither Obama nor any representative of Obama ever put Obama's Selective Service card online, a birther claims to hve, and that birther never even claimed to have gotten that Selective Service card from Obama.

Re: "Connecticut SSN."

Answer: It was the result of a typographical error. There are MILLIONS of them in the SS Administration. Who ever told you that SS Administration clerks would always enter numbers accurately???

Re: "His own bio given to his Literary Agent."

Answer. No. The literary agent admitted to making the mistake, and her mistake certainly is not evidence that Obama was born in Kenya---when the Kenyan government says that he was NOT born there, and the Hawaii government (officials of BOTH parties) says that he WAS born there.

Re: "A private investigator in Hawaii has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obama's father and mother, which indicates they had "one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya."

Answer: That claim is a simple LIE. There is nothing in the divorce files (EITHER divorce) that says that Obama was born in Kenya.

The fact that birthers can and have repeatedly lied, is not evidence that Obama was born outside of the USA.

One of the most recent birther lies was a birther site saying that Hawaii Registrar of Births Onaka had told the secretary of state of Arizona that Obama that the birth certificate was forged. But Onaka never said any such thing.

And birther sites said that Obama’s lawyer had admitted that Obama’s birth certificate was forged. But, again, she never said any such thing.

And in the early days of the birther movement they manufactured the claim that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother said that he was born in Kenya, when the tape shows that in fact she said that he was born IN HAWAII repeatedly.

It is mainly because of such lies and because of the lies of birthers who claim to have shown that Obama birth certificate was forged----that the birther movement continued. And also there are the forged videos claiming that Obama said that he was born in Kenya, and the forged “Kenyan birth certificates”. And Obama’s selective service card was indeed forged; it was forged by the guy who posted it---who was not Obama, nor was it a representative of Obama.

Then there are the claims that because Obama’s publicist made a mistake and failed to correct it, that means something. But it only means that she made a mistake.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#152383 Apr 22, 2013
Re: "That is because it is not evidence or refutation.
It is pure unadulterated Bull-Shit!"

That is what a birther claims, but it is refutation, and you have not even tried to answer it:

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country:

(1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (They weren't. His grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time) and dumb enough to send their daughter to a foreign country to give birth despite the risk of stillbirth (which was high at the time)----—despite there being fine hospitals in Hawaii;

(2) Obama’s mother would have had to have traveled overseas ALONE and somehow got Obama back to the USA without getting him entered on her US passport or getting a visa for him (which would have had to have been applied for in a US consulate in that country and the records would still exist);

(3) got the officials in Hawaii (which was actually under a Republican governor in 1961) to record his birth in Hawaii despite (as birthers claim) his being born in another country and somehow got the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley to lie (and since the woman’s father's name really was Stanley, she would have had to have found one of the very few women with fathers of that name to do it). Or else, as some say, the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) would have to be lying now

What are the chances of all three of them happening?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#152385 Apr 22, 2013
Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:

1. Obama's two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them.(The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net &#8203;/?p=541) The image of the edge of the raised seal is faintly visible in this photo:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other...

2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)----that Obama was born in Hawaii---by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, who is a friend of Sarah Palin’s) and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.

3. The notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii----and only the DOH could send those notices.(Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)

4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found.(A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)

5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).

6. Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him---and that is hardly likely at all. In fact, it is irrational to believe that Obama’s relatives were rich enough (his grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank in 1961) or stupid enough to send Obama’s mother on a long, expensive and risky (the incidence of stillbirth was high in those days) trip to a foreign country when she was late in pregnancy------when there were perfectly fine hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#152386 Apr 22, 2013
Questions for those who continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA.

I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.

(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)

So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?

Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?

All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.

So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?

Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)--–and yet no document has been found. Why not?

The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?

(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)

So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#152387 Apr 22, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Poopo, can you explain why Pew Research did a public opinion poll of Obama in Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon but did not do one in Israel? I know! Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon has predominantly Muslim nations while Israel is not so, in Libtardian minds, their opinions does not matter!!!
As as mid-March, 47% of Israelis had a favourable opinion of Obama as compared to 45% for GWB at aprrox same period in his 2nd term.

How many times had Obama visited Israel as compared to both Bush father and son? I'm asking because you've so much been on Obama's back on this. Don't forget, Obama has more than 3 years to go, he could always visit again.

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#152388 Apr 22, 2013
SHEEPLE Buster wrote:
<quoted text>
Psst, SHEEPLE, I'm not the one buying all of those guns. There are millions who believe that revolution is inevitable. 1776 may soon commence. Are you ready for it?
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Where are those straight jackets when you need 'em?
Yep, we need about 6,700 for those Occutards who were arrested between 2011 and 2012!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#152389 Apr 22, 2013
Re: "A private investigator in Hawaii has uncovered the divorce decree for Barack Obama's father and mother, which indicates they had "one child under the age of eighteen, born in Kenya." "

Answer: Once again, that is a simple but outright lie. No such statement appears in either of Obama's mother's divorce files.

And the "born in Kenya" story remains completely nutty.

When the government of Kenya says that it has conducted an investigation and found that Obama was NOT born in Kenya. And the government of Hawaii---backed by the statements of officials of both parties including the former Republican governor---says that Obama was born in Hawaii. And when there is further confirmation of the Hawaii birth certificate by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. And when a birther site proves that Obama's father did not leave Hawaii in 1961, so Obama's mother would have had to have traveled ten thousand miles late in pregnancy ALONE-------then it is irrational to believe that Obama was born in Kenya.

(And, btw, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother NEVER said that Obama was born in Kenya or that she was present when he was born. That was all made up by a birther site. She said repeatedly that Obama was born in HAWAII.)

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#152390 Apr 22, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
That is funny, I got a copy of my short form in 1985, to get a passport, and it is still in the same envelope I got it in yet mine has three fold marks while Obama's did not have ANY fold marks (in the first jpg image posting).
Mine has a multi-colored seal which is clearly visable (sure, if I photocopied it the multi-color would probably not copy correctly) while Obama's had no discernible seal!
Down to the folds now? Bang, 202 to 0.

I got a parking ticket today. Damn Obama.

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