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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#151518 Apr 18, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Boring!!! Nothing like the smell of gunpowder!! Hell, you ain't lived until you run over 100 rounds of ammo through a weapon, with just one pull of the trigger.
One rifle I have holds only five rounds, but I can start kill at 1500 yards, these toys (AR-15 and AK-47) are good for about 500 yards.
AK47^ You fire communist weapons^ Wow.
Fox News Makes You Stupid

West Sayville, NY

#151519 Apr 18, 2013
Noble lies and perpetual war: Leo Strauss, the neo-cons, and Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/25bxx 10/18/03
Are the ideas of the conservative political philosopher Leo Strauss a shaping influence on the Bush administration’s world outlook? Danny Postel interviews Shadia Drury – a leading scholarly critic of Strauss – and asks her about the connection between Plato’s dialogues, secrets and lies, and the United States-led war in Iraq.
Danny Postel: The neo-conservative vision is commonly taken to be about spreading democracy and liberal values globally. And when Strauss is mentioned in the press, he is typically described as a great defender of liberal democracy against totalitarian tyranny. You’ve written, however, that Strauss had a “profound antipathy to both liberalism and democracy.”
Shadia Drury: The idea that Strauss was a great defender of liberal democracy is laughable. I suppose that Strauss’s disciples consider it a noble lie. Yet many in the media have been gullible enough to believe it.
How could an admirer of Plato and Nietzsche be a liberal democrat? The ancient philosophers whom Strauss most cherished believed that the unwashed masses were not fit for either truth or liberty, and that giving them these sublime treasures would be like throwing pearls before swine. In contrast to modern political thinkers, the ancients denied that there is any natural right to liberty. Human beings are born neither free nor equal. The natural human condition, they held, is not one of freedom, but of subordination – and in Strauss’s estimation they were right in thinking so.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...

==========

US Foreign Policy and Leo Strauss
March 15, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2mtobz
Key neo-conservative strategists ... consider themselves to be followers of Strauss.
The most prominent is Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, now widely known as "Wolfowitz of Arabia" for his obsession with ousting Iraq's Saddam Hussein as the first step in transforming the entire Arab Middle East. Wolfowitz is also seen as the chief architect of Washington's post-9/11 global strategy, including its controversial pre-emption policy.
Two other very influential Straussians include Weekly Standard William Kristol and Gary Schmitt, founder/chairman and director, respectively, of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a six-year-old neo-conservative front group whose alumni include Vice President Dick Cheney and Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld, as well as a number of other senior foreign-policy officials.
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#151520 Apr 18, 2013
Picture of Paul Kevin Curtis, the guy the FBI just arrested for the ricin letters:

There is a picture on the internet with Paul next to a bumper sticker which says "Christian and a Democrat". It see if I can get a link for it.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#151521 Apr 18, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Boring!!! Nothing like the smell of gunpowder!! Hell, you ain't lived until you run over 100 rounds of ammo through a weapon, with just one pull of the trigger.
One rifle I have holds only five rounds, but I can start kill at 1500 yards, these toys (AR-15 and AK-47) are good for about 500 yards.
Sicko. Dangerous. A massacre in-waiting.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#151522 Apr 18, 2013
It sounds like this guy has some mental issues .... which would be expected by someone who claims to be both a Christian and a Democrat!

Curtis claimed the discovery was part of a mafia-related human body parts trafficking ring on his Facebook site.

He also posted criticisms of Sen. Roger Wicker, claimed that he ran into Wicker several times and that "he seemed very nervous speaking to me and would make a fast exit to the door" after talking about his case against the hospital.

He said he had personally sent out more than a million emails in one year,“detailing what happened to me.”
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130417...
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#151524 Apr 18, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>We have 12,000+ treaties. The remainder of your post has been answered many times over, but I do like to see you scamper for a rebuttal!!! LMAO!!!
WE do NOT have reciprocal treaties with every country in the world. And yet, for your nutty theory to hold, we would have to. There would have to be treaties with Tonga and Zaire and Mongolia and Azerbaijan so that their citizens when visiting could be tried by US courts---because that is what "subject to the jurisdiction" means. But there are no such treaties, and yet the tourists from those countries are subject to US law, subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.

This court ruling is right; you are wrong:

Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999)(children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

“Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”

This court ruling is right; you are wrong:

Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983)(child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

“Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time.*** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

This court ruling is right; you are wrong:

Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974)(child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):

“The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”

This court ruling is right; you are wrong:

Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling:“Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency..."

This court ruling is right; you are wrong:

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling:“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

This Supreme Court court ruling is right; you are wrong:

"It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established." (United States v. Wong Kim Ark). Notice EVERY child, and that the same rule applied in England, and in the colonies and in the early states AND UNDER THE CONSTITUTION.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#151525 Apr 18, 2013
I've heard of Sodahead but I am not sure what it is/was. Do any of you have any idea what it is/was?

Among the things that Curtis "liked" on Facebook was Justice For Trayvon Martin and the FBI.

His old Sodahead account shows him to have not voted for Obama, but that he was "liberal."
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130417...
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#151526 Apr 18, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>"Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship." WKA v. US, para 34
Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, just a fact you must live with! LMAO!!!
Re: "Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, just a fact you must live with! LMAO!!! "

Answer: No question at all. He was born a citizen of his father's nation AND he was born a citizen of the country in which he was born, the USA. And his citizenship in the USA is not affected by his dual citizenship. Not at all. We simply ignore dual citizenship. JUST A FACT THAT YOU MUST LIVE WITH.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#151527 Apr 18, 2013
Fox News Makes You Stupid wrote:
Noble lies and perpetual war: Leo Strauss, the neo-cons, and Iraq
http://tinyurl.com/25bxx 10/18/03
Are the ideas of the conservative political philosopher Leo Strauss a shaping influence on the Bush administration’s world outlook? Danny Postel interviews Shadia Drury – a leading scholarly critic of Strauss – and asks her about the connection between Plato’s dialogues, secrets and lies, and the United States-led war in Iraq.
Danny Postel: The neo-conservative vision is commonly taken to be about spreading democracy and liberal values globally. And when Strauss is mentioned in the press, he is typically described as a great defender of liberal democracy against totalitarian tyranny. You’ve written, however, that Strauss had a “profound antipathy to both liberalism and democracy.”
Shadia Drury: The idea that Strauss was a great defender of liberal democracy is laughable. I suppose that Strauss’s disciples consider it a noble lie. Yet many in the media have been gullible enough to believe it.
How could an admirer of Plato and Nietzsche be a liberal democrat? The ancient philosophers whom Strauss most cherished believed that the unwashed masses were not fit for either truth or liberty, and that giving them these sublime treasures would be like throwing pearls before swine. In contrast to modern political thinkers, the ancients denied that there is any natural right to liberty. Human beings are born neither free nor equal. The natural human condition, they held, is not one of freedom, but of subordination – and in Strauss’s estimation they were right in thinking so.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/arti...
==========
US Foreign Policy and Leo Strauss
March 15, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/2mtobz
Key neo-conservative strategists ... consider themselves to be followers of Strauss.
The most prominent is Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, now widely known as "Wolfowitz of Arabia" for his obsession with ousting Iraq's Saddam Hussein as the first step in transforming the entire Arab Middle East. Wolfowitz is also seen as the chief architect of Washington's post-9/11 global strategy, including its controversial pre-emption policy.
Two other very influential Straussians include Weekly Standard William Kristol and Gary Schmitt, founder/chairman and director, respectively, of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), a six-year-old neo-conservative front group whose alumni include Vice President Dick Cheney and Pentagon chief Donald Rumsfeld, as well as a number of other senior foreign-policy officials.
http://www.geocities.com/dapat_tapatt/ref_leo...
Your post is scholarly, probing, intelligent, perceptive. Kudos. Oh, birthers, notably LRS and his various monikers and Rogue and the ha ha Justice Dale and Frank and Communist Marxist Lady will tell you to STFU, QUEER, their standard response taken from the birther protocol book of distinguished phrases. Happens all the time when, faced with a smart and researched response, they freeze and adopt the DOH look.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#151528 Apr 18, 2013
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Boring!!! Nothing like the smell of gunpowder!! Hell, you ain't lived until you run over 100 rounds of ammo through a weapon, with just one pull of the trigger.
One rifle I have holds only five rounds, but I can start kill at 1500 yards, these toys (AR-15 and AK-47) are good for about 500 yards.
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Sicko. Dangerous. A massacre in-waiting.
Hey Jacques, Do you know how many people won A-15's, AK-47's and other similar weapons? Now, how many have committed crimes with those weapons? But you consider anyone with them to be crazy?
Well, I think anyone who owns a blowup luv doll to be crazy!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#151529 Apr 18, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Picture of Paul Kevin Curtis, the guy the FBI just arrested for the ricin letters:
There is a picture on the internet with Paul next to a bumper sticker which says "Christian and a Democrat". It see if I can get a link for it.
"Christian and a Democrat", eh? I knew it. Another democrat terrorist. I think we should set up re-education camps for these poor folks. Could be run by GWB or Cheney or Romney, who are actually unemployed. Add one hour daily of sheer torture , forcing these damn dems to listen to Rush Limbaugh's radio show.

And, let's be charitable and not comment on the "Christian" appellation.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#151530 Apr 18, 2013
Hey, here is one you Libtards might want to buy!
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#151531 Apr 18, 2013
TELL YOUR NEIGHBORS...TELL YOUR FRIENDS...HEY TELL YOUR ENEMIES...THERE IS PHONY, LYING SOB FOREIGNER IN THE WHITE HOUSE...AND GUESS WHAT..HE HATES AMERICA!...
FORGER! FELONY FRAUD! INELIGIBLE TO SERVE! CRIMINAL IMPOSTER RUNNING AMERICA!

SHOCKING! USURPER CAUGHT RED-HANDED! A Law Enforcement Investigation Proved Obama's Birth Certificate and Selective Service Registration Card are Both Forgeries. Obama Jailed an Officer for Asking to See Them. Obama Claimed He was Born in Kenya for 17 Years. In 2008, while Vetting McCain, Congress Ruled Presidents Must Have Two US Citizen Parents. Obama Signed This Resolution. Obama's "Birth Certificate" Says His Dad was Kenyan. SO OBAMA'S INELIGIBLE! Let's Arrest Him Now!
Fox News Makes You Stupid

West Sayville, NY

#151532 Apr 18, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is scholarly, probing, intelligent, perceptive. Kudos. Oh, birthers, notably LRS and his various monikers and Rogue and the ha ha Justice Dale and Frank and Communist Marxist Lady will tell you to STFU, QUEER, their standard response taken from the birther protocol book of distinguished phrases. Happens all the time when, faced with a smart and researched response, they freeze and adopt the DOH look.
Thanks my friend.

Your words are too kind.

Right Back At You.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#151533 Apr 18, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
It sounds like this guy has some mental issues .... which would be expected by someone who claims to be both a Christian and a Democrat!
Curtis claimed the discovery was part of a mafia-related human body parts trafficking ring on his Facebook site.
He also posted criticisms of Sen. Roger Wicker, claimed that he ran into Wicker several times and that "he seemed very nervous speaking to me and would make a fast exit to the door" after talking about his case against the hospital.
He said he had personally sent out more than a million emails in one year,“detailing what happened to me.”
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130417...
Rogue : "He said he had personally sent out more than a million emails in one year,“detailing what happened to me.”

Bears a certain resemblence to the e-mails you regularly sent to GWB and now to Obama. LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).

How the mail sorters at the WH must look forward to the morning mail, hoping Rogue has not failed and has addressed at least one missive to the president. No one would want to miss it, making the start of the day a humourous and fun one. I can see everyone absorbing every kernel of wise advice from Rogue Scholar, making sure the president is apprised of every phrase, word, syllable, letter. Of particular interest always is Rogue's deep knowledge of foreign policy LMAO (LRS tm reg'd). Included in Rogue's dispatches is some very fundamental advice from his birther birfoon pal, LRS. Advice : "Flatten them".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#151534 Apr 18, 2013
Do they look like Mexicans to you?

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#151535 Apr 18, 2013
disgusted wrote:
<quoted text>
doesn't matter......people like you see here and the "donald" will just keep harping on whatever they grab on to just to get a black man (who just happens to be a democrat) out of office.
***News Flash***
Obama is NOT Black, a US Citizen, or Natural Born!
Wake up SHEEPLE, You are peeing your pants!

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#151536 Apr 18, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I've heard of Sodahead but I am not sure what it is/was. Do any of you have any idea what it is/was?
Among the things that Curtis "liked" on Facebook was Justice For Trayvon Martin and the FBI.
His old Sodahead account shows him to have not voted for Obama, but that he was "liberal."
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20130417...
More crucial evidence from the Rogue Scholar. In Curtis's (LRS, note the apostrophe) favour, I guess, is he didn't vote Obama. Who do we suppose he voted for?

But, he's a "liberal". Yup, he is. Electric chair is too good for his kind. I propose he be locked up in LRS's crowded gay-closet and not tell the tribunal at The Hague. They tend to frown on cruel and unusual punishment.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#151537 Apr 18, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
TELL YOUR NEIGHBORS...TELL YOUR FRIENDS...HEY TELL YOUR ENEMIES...THERE IS PHONY, LYING SOB FOREIGNER IN THE WHITE HOUSE...AND GUESS WHAT..HE HATES AMERICA!...
FORGER! FELONY FRAUD! INELIGIBLE TO SERVE! CRIMINAL IMPOSTER RUNNING AMERICA!
SHOCKING! USURPER CAUGHT RED-HANDED! A Law Enforcement Investigation Proved Obama's Birth Certificate and Selective Service Registration Card are Both Forgeries. Obama Jailed an Officer for Asking to See Them. Obama Claimed He was Born in Kenya for 17 Years. In 2008, while Vetting McCain, Congress Ruled Presidents Must Have Two US Citizen Parents. Obama Signed This Resolution. Obama's "Birth Certificate" Says His Dad was Kenyan. SO OBAMA'S INELIGIBLE! Let's Arrest Him Now!
Obama was born in Hawaii, as has been proven overwhelmingly, and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen. Congress has NOT ruled that two citizen parents are required, nor has the US Supreme Court---which in fact ruled that EVERY child born in the USA is a Natural Born US Citizen in the Wong Kim Ark case.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country BOTH:

1) the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH would ALL have to be lying, AND;

2) Obama’s relatives would have had to have had enough money (and Obama's American grandfather was only a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii from Kenya on free flights) and be willing to waste it sending their pregnant only daughter on a trip ALONE to a foreign country (since WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) at high risk (the rate of stillbirths were high at the time)—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#151538 Apr 18, 2013
Yep, the Libtards WANT the Boston Marathon bombers to be WHITE and probably also be TEA Partiers Birthers too!

Liberal Online Magazine Salon]:‘Let’s Hope Boston Marathon Bomber Is a White American’
Posted on April 17, 2013

How is this not racist? Whoever did this will be found and hopefully dealt will with the death penalty.
Check it out:

The liberal online magazine Salon published an opinion piece Tuesday evening by columnist David Sirota entitled,“Let’s hope the Boston Marathon bomber is a white American.”

Sirota argued that if the perpetrator of Monday’s bombing attack, which left at least three people dead, is identified as a Muslim, then conservative Republicans will use the tragedy to block Obama administration policy goals like immigration reform.

“If recent history is any guide, if the bomber ends up being a white anti-government extremist, white privilege will likely mean the attack is portrayed as just an isolated incident — one that has no bearing on any larger policy debates,” Sirota wrote in his Salon piece, which featured an image of Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh cropped beside a photograph of Osama bin Laden.

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