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Re: "As you know Howard was the father of the citizenship clause and I would like for you to find me one indication that he used english common law for his framing.(ratified in 1868) "
Answer: Dream on about Howard being "the father of the citizenship clause. At most he was ONE of the fathers.
Over on the Senate side, the author of the citizenship clause was Senator Lyman Trumball.
And here is what Lyman Trumball said:
“By the terms of the Constitution he must have been a citizen of the United States for nine years before he could take a seat here, and seven years before he could take a seat in the other House ; and, in order to be President of the United States, a person must be a native-born citizen. It is the common law of this country, and of all countries, and it was unnecessary to incorporate it in the Constitution, that a person is a citizen of the country in which he is born. I read from Paschale's Annotated Constitution, note 274:‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together.’ Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are, in theory, born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons.”—Sen. Trumbull, Cong. Globe. 1st Session, 42nd Congress, pt. 1, pg. 575 (1872)
Irrelevant! The law was put in place and ratified in 1868 and not one mention of English common law was indicated.

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What happens if you have only one good hand? Military aircrews are issued automatic knives because of that very reason. And that is also why traditionally aircrews are armed with revolvers.
Ever try and charge an autoloading pistol with one hand? I know you haven't, but if you had ever handled, let's say a M1911A1, how would you manipulate the slide with only one good hand?
Can you show us anywhere in the Second Amendment that gives anyone the right to decide what arm you can or can not own/carry?
What does "shall not be infringed." mean to you? As far as I am concerned, most weapon laws passed after about 1920 are unconstitutional no matter what our Supreme Court has ruled.
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The military is the military, Rogue. We are talking ordinary civilians here now. Infringed? Are you part of a militia?
What is this fascination with human-killing weapons? Ever tried reading a book, going to a concert, movie, theatre, watch an opera, a symphony orchestra, a rock or rap or folk or C&W show? A sporting event, the Marlins maybe or Dolphins or Heat? A bit of a change from your penis proxies, the guns.
Have you ever scene a one handed civilian before? And where does it say in our Second Amendment you must be in a militia to own any "arm"? And do you think a one-armed woman has a penis problem?
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This PROVES that the Republican Conservative Supreme Court are Activist Jurist.
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No other future Supreme Court or any court is allowed to use Bush v Gore as precedent. Bush is truly an illegitimate President. http://tinyurl.com/2ps3e3
George W. Bush's January 20, 2001 inauguration was unconstitutional. This isn't because Bush lost the popular vote. Nor is it because he lost Florida and thus the electoral vote. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision to hear the Florida recount lawsuit, Bush v. Gore, violated the U.S. Constitution. It's a states' rights issue. Elections fall under state law; the highest court that may resolve a legal challenge about an election is a state supreme court. The U.S. Supreme Court--a federal body--didn't have jurisdiction in the case.
http://yalelawjournal.org/2006/11/07/flanders...
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Has Bush v. Gore Become the Case That Must Not Be Named?
August 15, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/qbx2s
At a law school Supreme Court conference that I attended last fall, there was a panel on “The Rehnquist Court.” No one mentioned Bush v. Gore, the most historic case of William Rehnquist’s time as chief justice, and during the Q. and A. no one asked about it. When I asked a prominent law professor about this strange omission, he told me he had been invited to participate in another Rehnquist retrospective, and was told in advance that Bush v. Gore would not be discussed.
The ruling that stopped the Florida recount and handed the presidency to George W. Bush is disappearing down the legal world’s version of the memory hole, the slot where, in George Orwell’s “1984,” government workers disposed of politically inconvenient records. The Supreme Court has not cited it once since it was decided, and when Justice Antonin Scalia, who loves to hold forth on court precedents, was asked about it at a forum earlier this year, he snapped,“Come on, get over it.”
There is a legal argument for pushing Bush v. Gore aside. The majority opinion announced that the ruling was “limited to the present circumstances” and could not be cited as precedent. But many legal scholars insisted at the time that this assertion was itself dictum — the part of a legal opinion that is nonbinding — and illegitimate, because under the doctrine of stare decisis, courts cannot make rulings whose reasoning applies only to a single case.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/opinion/15t...
The USSC has been overstepping the boundaries of the US Constitution for over 114+ years, the latest one was when Roberts interpreted that a fine was a tax, this is not how the bill was written.
The USSC is conservative?

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Oh, do you know who Jack Roosevelt "Jackie" Robinson was named after? No, not the DEMOCRAT FDR but the Republican Teddy Roosevelt!!!!

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Therealnews com wrote:
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This PROVES that the Republican Conservative Supreme Court are Activist Jurist.
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No other future Supreme Court or any court is allowed to use Bush v Gore as precedent. Bush is truly an illegitimate President. http://tinyurl.com/2ps3e3
George W. Bush's January 20, 2001 inauguration was unconstitutional. This isn't because Bush lost the popular vote. Nor is it because he lost Florida and thus the electoral vote. The U.S. Supreme Court's decision to hear the Florida recount lawsuit, Bush v. Gore, violated the U.S. Constitution. It's a states' rights issue. Elections fall under state law; the highest court that may resolve a legal challenge about an election is a state supreme court. The U.S. Supreme Court--a federal body--didn't have jurisdiction in the case.
http://yalelawjournal.org/2006/11/07/flanders ...
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Has Bush v. Gore Become the Case That Must Not Be Named?
August 15, 2006 / http://tinyurl.com/qbx2s
At a law school Supreme Court conference that I attended last fall, there was a panel on “The Rehnquist Court.” No one mentioned Bush v. Gore, the most historic case of William Rehnquist’s time as chief justice, and during the Q. and A. no one asked about it. When I asked a prominent law professor about this strange omission, he told me he had been invited to participate in another Rehnquist retrospective, and was told in advance that Bush v. Gore would not be discussed.
The ruling that stopped the Florida recount and handed the presidency to George W. Bush is disappearing down the legal world’s version of the memory hole, the slot where, in George Orwell’s “1984,” government workers disposed of politically inconvenient records. The Supreme Court has not cited it once since it was decided, and when Justice Antonin Scalia, who loves to hold forth on court precedents, was asked about it at a forum earlier this year, he snapped,“Come on, get over it.”
There is a legal argument for pushing Bush v. Gore aside. The majority opinion announced that the ruling was “limited to the present circumstances” and could not be cited as precedent. But many legal scholars insisted at the time that this assertion was itself dictum — the part of a legal opinion that is nonbinding — and illegitimate, because under the doctrine of stare decisis, courts cannot make rulings whose reasoning applies only to a single case.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/15/opinion/15t ...
Hmmm, can you show us where in our Constitution the individual has the right to vote for whom will be president? It isn't there.
Sure, all states has opted to a popular vote at the state level but that does not mean the state can not change the law at any time.
In fact the Florida State Legislature had voted to stop further counting and they were in the process of an emergency vote to throw out the entire popular vote and then the legislature would approve the members of the Electoral College!!!
Oh, the Yale Law review is not written by lawyers but by ... law students. But even if it had, it would still be just another opinion!!!!

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Just in case you do not believe me;

World Socialist Web Site
Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
Republicans to convene Florida legislature to impose Bush electors / By Patrick Martin / 7 December 2000

The Republican leadership of the Florida state legislature is convening a special session on Friday, December 8 to discuss appointing a slate of 25 presidential electors. The extraordinary decision was announced Wednesday evening by Florida Senate President John McKay and Florida House Speaker Tom Feeney.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2000/12/elec-...

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What is funny is that you think that Obama is a legitimate president and at the same time think Owl Gore was the president from 2001 to 2009!!!

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Oh, it happened before when Colorado's state legislators appointed it's members of the Electoral College in the election of 1876!!!!

Of course the Florida legislature can choose electors -- ours did

Published 10 December 2000 in The Denver Post
Copyright ©2000 by Ed Quillen. All rights reserved.

To forestall that awful fate, the Republicans decided it would be prudent to admit another state to the union, assuming that it could be trusted to send its electoral votes to the proper party.

Thus Colorado's two leading Republicans -- Jerome Bunty Chaffee and Henry Moore Teller, who both wanted to become senators and needed statehood so they could reach that goal -- assured President Grant that the new state would have a Republican legislature, and with the proper wording in the new state constitution, the new state would cast its three electoral votes for the Republican candidate in 1876.

As so it was that Article 27, Section 19 of the Colorado constitution provided that The general assembly shall, at their first session ... provide by act or joint resolution for the appointment by said general assembly of electors in the electoral college.
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Oh, the guy who was knifing people at the Lone Star Community College in Houston stopped when his knife broke! He should have bought a better knife!
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Suppose you are carving on a piece of wood with a knife and the blade breaks? You could be injured. I have a few knives and none are fancy but all are of high quality and are used for what they are intended. An example of improper use of a knife would be using a knife as a pry bar. Yet I have seen people do that and often the blade breaks.
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Rogue Moron as usual misses the point and instead blabbers about whittling.
He wonders why no one takes his brilliance seriously.
Tell us Tootzie, do you think O.J. Simpson used a Dime Store pen knife to murder his wife or do you think he use a BIGGER hunting-style knife?
In any event, Jacques probably thinks O.J. also had a penis envy problem!
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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Oh, the guy who was knifing people at the Lone Star Community College in Houston stopped when his knife broke! He should have bought a better knife!
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Suppose you are carving on a piece of wood with a knife and the blade breaks? You could be injured. I have a few knives and none are fancy but all are of high quality and are used for what they are intended. An example of improper use of a knife would be using a knife as a pry bar. Yet I have seen people do that and often the blade breaks.
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Tell us Tootzie, do you think O.J. Simpson used a Dime Store pen knife to murder his wife or do you think he use a BIGGER hunting-style knife?
In any event, Jacques probably thinks O.J. also had a penis envy problem!
Rogue Moron AGAIN misses the point that he advocates the more efficient killing of humans.

Rogue Moron again replies with an related BS story he thinks is somehow pertinent. This is why Rogue Moron rambles to himself on a birther thread all day every day.

Very sad.

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Oh, the guy who was knifing people at the Lone Star Community College in Houston stopped when his knife broke! He should have bought a better knife!
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Suppose you are carving on a piece of wood with a knife and the blade breaks? You could be injured. I have a few knives and none are fancy but all are of high quality and are used for what they are intended. An example of improper use of a knife would be using a knife as a pry bar. Yet I have seen people do that and often the blade breaks.
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Tell us Tootzie, do you think O.J. Simpson used a Dime Store pen knife to murder his wife or do you think he use a BIGGER hunting-style knife?
In any event, Jacques probably thinks O.J. also had a penis envy problem!
Ahh , the penis obsession once more surfaces. How about your Clinton penis envy and your Lewinski cigar sucking envy? How deprived you must feel. "Clinton had it, why not me"?, you no doubt feel.

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I repeat!
Judges will say anything to avoid the merits of the eligibility issue!
There are none more blind than those who refuse to see!
They know what the evidence proves.
It has been that way for 5 years running, and they must be getting tired of looking like the cowardly idiots that they are.
I'm sure that two new nuclear power plants for Georgia caused his temporary blindness and willful stupidity.
I suppose any excuse is better than none GB. The judge didn’t avoid the merits, he simply found as do everyone else save the birfoon your assertions are baseless and your case is devoid of merit.

You qwazy dude!

Make me laugh long time.

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THIS is what "the LEFT & their ilk" believe in.
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Gosnell Worker: Baby Screamed During Live-Birth “Abortion”
Today’s testimony during the murder trial of abortion practitioner Kermit Gosnell was no less shocking than previous days. Today, a former employee described how she heard a baby scream during a live-birth abortion.
Abortion clinic employee Sherry West described an incident which “really freaked (her) out” and related to the jury how she heard a child who was born alive following an abortion scream.
http://www.lifenews.com/2013/04/08/gosnell-wo...
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Court going on now.
Plus; take the Arias trial.
Time & money being wasted on the human dregs of society. Money WE do not have.
libTARDS! doing what THEY do best!
In a Christian world this would NEVER have happened. It IS because we took God out of our schools, courthouses, etc.
No God fearing people, NO knowledge!
imo
No God no peace.
Know God Know peace.
If mere mortals can dispatch the gods at will then who needs them AL. By what magic has the gods been eradicated from the schools and courts? I heard tell your god was everywhere. Can you not say a silent prayer to your god in school thereby not offending the other gods?

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Rogue Moron AGAIN misses the point that he advocates the more efficient killing of humans.
Rogue Moron again replies with an related BS story he thinks is somehow pertinent. This is why Rogue Moron rambles to himself on a birther thread all day every day.
Very sad.
Did you know that Jackie Kennedy ordered the kitchen help to save all the leftover wine during a State dinner, mixed it with fresh wine and served again during the next White House occasion.
I wonder what Michele does?

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What the Secret Service thought of Past Presidents and First Ladies
From the Secret Service/Very interesting snippets from Ronald Kessler’s book about our presidents.
JOHN & JACQUELINE KENNEDY
*A philanderer of the highest order.*
*She ordered the kitchen help to save all the left-over wine during a State dinner, mixed it with fresh wine and served again during the next White House occasion.*
LYNDON & LADYBIRD JOHNSON
*Another philanderer of the highest order. In addition, LBJ was as crude as the day is long. Both JFK and LBJ kept a lot of women in the White House for extramarital affairs, and both had set up “early warning systems” to alert them if/when their wives were nearby. Both Kennedy & Johnson were promiscuous and oversexed men.*
*She was either naive or just pretended to “not know” about her husband’s many liaisons.*
RICHARD & PAT NIXON
*A “moral” man but very odd, weird, paranoid, etc. He had horrible relationship with his family, and in a way, was almost a recluse.*
*She was quiet most of the time.*
SPIRO AGNEW
* Nice, decent man, everyone in the Secret Service was surprised by his downfall.*
GERALD & BETTY FORD
*A true gentlemen who treated the Secret Service with respect and dignity. He had a great sense of humor.*
*She drank a lot!*
JIMMY & ROSALYN CARTER
*A complete phony who would portray one picture of himself to public and very different in private, e..g., would be shown carrying his own luggage, but the suitcases were always empty; he kept the empty ones just for photo ops. Wanted the people to see him as pious and a non-drinker, but he and his family drank alcohol a lot! He had disdain for the Secret Service, and was very irresponsible with the “football” with nuclear codes. He didn’t think it was a big deal and would keep military aides at a great distance. Often did not acknowledge the presence of Secret Service personnel assigned to serve him.*
*She mostly did her own thing.*
RONALD & NANCY REAGAN
*The real deal — moral, honest, respectful, and dignified. They treated Secret Service and everyone else with respect and honor. Thanked everyone all the time. He took the time to know everyone on a personal level.* One “favorite” story that has circulated among the Secret Service personnel was an incident early in his Presidency, when he came out of his room with a pistol tucked on his hip. The agent in charge asked:“Why the pistol, Mr. President” He replied,“In case you boys can’t get the job done, I can help.” It was common for him to carry a pistol. When he met with Gorbachev, he had a pistol in his briefcase. Upon learning that Gary Hart was caught with Donna Rice, Reagan said,“Boys will be boys, but boys will not be Presidents.”[He obviously either did not know or forgot JFK's and LBJ's sexcapades!]*
*She was very nice but very protective of the President; and the Secret Service was often caught in the middle. She tried hard to control what the President ate, and he would say to the agent,“Come on, you gotta help me out.” The Reagans drank wine during State dinners and special occasions only; otherwise, they shunned alcohol; the Secret Service could count on one hand the times they were served wine during their “family dinner”. For all the fake bluster of the Carters, the Reagans were the ones who lived life as genuinely moral people.*

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GEORGE H. & BARBARA BUSH
*Extremely kind and considerate Always respectful. Took great care in making sure the agents’ comforts were taken care of. They even brought them meals, etc. One time Barbara Bush brought warm clothes to agents standing outside at Kennebunkport; one agent was given a warm hat, and when he tried to nicely say “no thanks” even though he was obviously freezing, President Bush said “Son, don’t argue with the First Lady, put the hat on.” He was the most prompt of the Presidents. He ran the White House like a well-oiled machine.*
*She ruled the house and spoke her mind.*
BILL & HILLARY CLINTON
*Presidency was one giant party. Not trustworthy — he was nice mainly because he wanted everyone to like him, but to him life is just one big game and party. Everyone knows of his sexuality.*
*She is another phony. Her personality would change the instant cameras were near. She hated with open disdain the military and Secret Service. She was another one who felt people were there to serve her. She was always trying to keep tabs on Bill Clinton.*
ALBERT GORE
* An egotistical ass, who was once overheard by his Secret Service detail lecturing his only son that he needed to do better in school or he “would end up like these guys”— pointing to the agents.*
GEORGE W. & LAURA BUSH
*The Secret Service loved him and Laura Bush. He was also the most physically “in shape” who had a very strict workout regimen. The Bushes made sure their entire administrative and household staff understood they were to respect and be considerate of the Secret Service.*
*She was one of the nicest First Ladies, if not the nicest; she never had any harsh word to say about anyone.*
*KARL ROVE was in fact, though, the guy who was the most caring of the Secret Service in the administration.*
*BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA
*”Clinton all over again”– hates the military and looks down on the Secret Service. He is egotistical and cunning; looks you in the eye and appears to agree with you, but turns around and does the opposite — untrustworthy. He has temper tantrums.*
*She is a complete bitch, who basically hates anybody who is not black; hates the military; and looks at the Secret Service as servants.*

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Did you know that Jackie Kennedy ordered the kitchen help to save all the leftover wine during a State dinner, mixed it with fresh wine and served again during the next White House occasion.
I wonder what Michele does?
Are you finished with the petty whining not only on presidents but on their wives adn families? So what if Jackie did that? Good for her,saved the taxpayers money and mocked the well-to-do who unsuspectingly drank it while pocketing the flatware.

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
GEORGE H. & BARBARA BUSH
*Extremely kind and considerate Always respectful. Took great care in making sure the agents’ comforts were taken care of. They even brought them meals, etc. One time Barbara Bush brought warm clothes to agents standing outside at Kennebunkport; one agent was given a warm hat, and when he tried to nicely say “no thanks” even though he was obviously freezing, President Bush said “Son, don’t argue with the First Lady, put the hat on.” He was the most prompt of the Presidents. He ran the White House like a well-oiled machine.*
*She ruled the house and spoke her mind.*
BILL & HILLARY CLINTON
*Presidency was one giant party. Not trustworthy — he was nice mainly because he wanted everyone to like him, but to him life is just one big game and party. Everyone knows of his sexuality.*
*She is another phony. Her personality would change the instant cameras were near. She hated with open disdain the military and Secret Service. She was another one who felt people were there to serve her. She was always trying to keep tabs on Bill Clinton.*
ALBERT GORE
* An egotistical ass, who was once overheard by his Secret Service detail lecturing his only son that he needed to do better in school or he “would end up like these guys”— pointing to the agents.*
GEORGE W. & LAURA BUSH
*The Secret Service loved him and Laura Bush. He was also the most physically “in shape” who had a very strict workout regimen. The Bushes made sure their entire administrative and household staff understood they were to respect and be considerate of the Secret Service.*
*She was one of the nicest First Ladies, if not the nicest; she never had any harsh word to say about anyone.*
*KARL ROVE was in fact, though, the guy who was the most caring of the Secret Service in the administration.*
*BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA
*”Clinton all over again”– hates the military and looks down on the Secret Service. He is egotistical and cunning; looks you in the eye and appears to agree with you, but turns around and does the opposite — untrustworthy. He has temper tantrums.*
*She is a complete bitch, who basically hates anybody who is not black; hates the military; and looks at the Secret Service as servants.*
So, I gather that republican presidents were nice to the secret service agents and,apart, from starting ruinous wars and inciting govt overthrows in South America, did nothing much to advance the agenda of the country. The Democrat presidents, on the other hand, were philanderers,drinkes, carried empty suitcases for show and mostly did not treat the secret service people very well. Oh, btw, dem presidents got the job done.

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Mass Stabbing On Texas Campus With Weapons Ban
Posted on April 10, 2013

So now liberals will want to ban knifes? Where if someone would have been armed they could have stopped this guy after the first stabbing.
Check it out:

Reports indicate up to 14 people were stabbed by an individual armed with a knife at the Houston-area LoneStar College on the morning of April 9.

Reports also indicate that one of those stabbed is in critical condition.

There were allegedly two men armed with knives, one of whom has been captured. The school sent out an alert to students, warning them to lock their doors and stay inside until the second individual is apprehended as well.

Continue Reading on www.breitbart.com ...

Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2013/04/mass-stab...

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Mass Stabbing On Texas Campus With Weapons Ban
Posted on April 10, 2013
So now liberals will want to ban knifes? Where if someone would have been armed they could have stopped this guy after the first stabbing.
Check it out:
Reports indicate up to 14 people were stabbed by an individual armed with a knife at the Houston-area LoneStar College on the morning of April 9.
Reports also indicate that one of those stabbed is in critical condition.
There were allegedly two men armed with knives, one of whom has been captured. The school sent out an alert to students, warning them to lock their doors and stay inside until the second individual is apprehended as well.
Continue Reading on www.breitbart.com ...
Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2013/04/mass-stab...
Rogue : "So now liberals will want to ban knifes? Where if someone would have been armed they could have stopped this guy after the first stabbing."

Dumb, very dumb.

Rertort : What if instead of a knife or knives, he had been armed with your favourite child and people killer, an assault weapon or gun?

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