BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149878 Apr 8, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
1. Any insult, and this time, the insult targeted an Afghan ALLY, is racist. You're not good at semantics, told you before, so best drop it.
2. You wrote : "And most Muslims are .... Caucasians ". Want to try again? There could be much discussion on this, but I always thought that Arab Moslems were in the minority in the Moslem world, considering that there are more than 700 million Asian and other Moslems.
On my post nmber 49876, I should have elaborated. I meant to say, as far as I'm concerned, and from what I've learned, an insult towards a colour, religion, tribe, group as a whole because they are easily indentifiable as a minority or nationality, is deemed to be racist. Argue with that all you want, Rogue.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149879 Apr 8, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Too bad that your lie can't be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate that contains no raised seal of authentication and a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, huh, Fat Nasty Island Troll?
BTW, what is his true legal name anyway?
Is he Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barack Soebarkah, Harrison J. Bounell or some other alias that we don't even know about yet like pResident Barqck Hussein Obama? Ha, Ha, Ha!
The seal is on the back where it is supposed to be. The "error" in the registrar's stamp was the way that the computer scan picked up the stamp and how it was shown in the PDF image.

Obama's true legal name, since he has never legally changed it, is the same as on his birth certificate, which the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country BOTH (1) the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH would ALL have to be lying (also the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley), AND (2) Obama’s relatives would have had to have had enough money (and Obama's American grandfather was only a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii from Kenya on free flights) and be willing to waste it sending their pregnant only daughter on a trip ALONE to a foreign country (since WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) at high risk (the rate of stillbirths were high at the time)—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#149884 Apr 8, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because a birther SAYS that there is no photo of Obama in the files does not mean that there is no photo of Obama in the files, and just because a birther SAYS that there is no birth certificate for Obama in the file does not mean that there is no birth certificate for Obama in the files.
For Obama to have been born in a foreign country both the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH would all have to be lying, AND Obama’s relatives would have had to have had enough money and be willing to waste it sending their pregnant only daughter on a trip ALONE to a foreign country (since WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961)—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Just because a SHEEPLE tells LIES doesn't mean they should be believed!

What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a birther news organization.

How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times.

The AP reporter stated the following:

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

Admit it SHEEPLE, Obama is Kenyan born.
Obama is not a Natural born US Citizen.

Too bad that your lie can't be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate that contains no raised seal of authentication and a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, huh?

BTW, what is his true legal name anyway?
Is he Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barack Soebarkah, Harrison J. Bounell or some other alias that we don't even know about yet, Ha, Ha, Ha!
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#149885 Apr 8, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The seal is on the back where it is supposed to be. The "error" in the registrar's stamp was the way that the computer scan picked up the stamp and how it was shown in the PDF image.
Obama's true legal name, since he has never legally changed it, is the same as on his birth certificate, which the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed the facts on.
SHEEPLE only tell LIES!

An embossed seal can be seen from either side, the seal on Obama's fraudulent birth certificate can be seen from neither side!
The document was created on a computer and only scanned after it was created and printed, hence the reason why there is no embossed seal!
The word "the" appears TWICE, incorrectly spelled ONLY ONCE!

You really are ONE DUMB SHEEPLE!

Just because a SHEEPLE tells LIES doesn't mean they should be believed!

What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a birther news organization.

How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times.

The AP reporter stated the following:

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.

Admit it SHEEPLE, Obama is Kenyan born.
Obama is not a Natural born US Citizen.

Too bad that your lie can't be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate that contains no raised seal of authentication and a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, huh?

BTW, what is his true legal name anyway?
Is he Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barack Soebarkah, Harrison J. Bounell or some other alias that we don't even know about yet, Ha, Ha, Ha!
Grand Birther

Louisville, KY

#149886 Apr 8, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama's true legal name, since he has never legally changed it, is the same as on his birth certificate.
SHEEPLE only tell LIES!

Admit it SHEEPLE, Obama is Kenyan born.
Obama is not a Natural born US Citizen.

Too bad that your lie can't be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate that contains no raised seal of authentication and a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, huh?

BTW, what is his true legal name anyway?
Is he Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barack Soebarkah, Harrison J. Bounell or some other alias that we don't even know about yet, Ha, Ha, Ha!

Why is he using a Social Security number issued to Harrison J. Bounell?
Indemnity

Kenosha, WI

#149887 Apr 8, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
SHEEPLE only tell LIES!
Admit it SHEEPLE, Obama is Kenyan born.
Obama is not a Natural born US Citizen.
Too bad that your lie can't be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate that contains no raised seal of authentication and a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, huh?
BTW, what is his true legal name anyway?
Is he Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barack Soebarkah, Harrison J. Bounell or some other alias that we don't even know about yet, Ha, Ha, Ha!
Why is he using a Social Security number issued to Harrison J. Bounell?
Barack Hussein Obama, II was and still is a natural born subject of her Britannic Majesty. The evidence strongly suggests that the motive and opportunity was available for Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. to declare his son a citizen of Kenya, and for the Kenyan government to grant “favors” to a high ranking official such as Obama Sr. These same favors gave both opportunity and motive to his son Obama, II to pursue a connection to his father in 1982, by taking the oath of allegiance to Kenya. Evidence demonstrates that Barry Soetoro was considered an Indonesian citizen based upon the legal documents available.
As such, we are in a state of Constitutional Crisis, we call upon every American who believes that the Constitution is in fact a contract between the people and their government to raise their voices and to be heard. Every law, and treaty passed until this is resolved in the courts of the United States with competent jurisdiction over Article II, Section 1will render them null and void. Every military member who performs their duty in “good faith” may find himself or herself charged with crimes against humanity because they were not acting under the legal color of authority of the Commander in Chief, specifically because there is no legal Commander in Chief.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149888 Apr 8, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Just because a SHEEPLE tells LIES doesn't mean they should be believed!
What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a birther news organization.
How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times.
The AP reporter stated the following:
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
Admit it SHEEPLE, Obama is Kenyan born.
Obama is not a Natural born US Citizen.
Too bad that your lie can't be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate that contains no raised seal of authentication and a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, huh?
BTW, what is his true legal name anyway?
Is he Barack Hussein Obama, Barry Soetoro, Barry Dunham, Barack Soebarkah, Harrison J. Bounell or some other alias that we don't even know about yet, Ha, Ha, Ha!
Re:“What most people know is that the Associated Press (AP) is one of the largest, internationally recognized, syndicated news services. What most people don’t know that is in 2004, the AP was a birther news organization.

How so? Because in a syndicated report, published Sunday, June 27, 2004, by the Kenyan Standard Times.

The AP reporter stated the following:

Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.”

Answer: That would be true IF the AP had written it, but it didn’t. And the Kenyan government said that it investigated whether or not Obama was born there, and it found that Obama was not born there. It is loony to believe that Obama was born in Kenya when (1) the Kenyan government says that Obama was not born there, and (2) the Hawaii government (officials of both parties including the former Republican governor) says he WAS born there, and (3) it would have cost the equivalent of $10,000 in 2013 dollars for Obama’s mother to go to Kenya in 1961 (and Obama’s American grandfather was a furniture salesman and his mother a low-level employee in a bank at the time), and the risk of stillbirth was high-----and there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

Re:“Admit it SHEEPLE, Obama is Kenyan born.”

Answer: No he was born in Hawaii.

Re:“Obama is not a Natural born US Citizen.”

Answer: He is because the original meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents, and Obama was born in Hawaii.(And it is truly nutty to think that Obama’s relatives had enough money and were willing to spend it on a long, expensive and highly risky trip to Kenya or to any other country, when there were fine hospitals in Honolulu).

Re:“Too bad that your lie can't be proven with a fraudulent birth certificate that contains no raised seal of authentication and a one-of-a-kind error in the registrars stamp, huh?”

Answer: The fact that the computer scan does not pick up the raised seal (which has the same color as the paper) and that the faint scan put into PDF shows an error does not mean that there was no raised seal or that there was an error in the document that Hawaii sent to Obama. One member of the White House press corps said that she felt the seal, and the seal is clearly visible in the photographic image of the back of the short-form birth certificate---which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii.

Re:“BTW, what is his true legal name anyway?”

Answer: Since the name on his birth certificate, confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii is Barack Hussein Obama, and since he never legally changed it, it remains Barack Hussein Obama.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149889 Apr 8, 2013
Re: "An embossed seal can be seen from either side, the seal on Obama's fraudulent birth certificate can be seen from neither side!
The document was created on a computer and only scanned after it was created and printed, hence the reason why there is no embossed seal!
The word "the" appears TWICE, incorrectly spelled ONLY ONCE!"

The fact that the computer scan does not pick up the raised seal (which, duh, is the same color as the paper) does not mean that it is not there. A reporter stated that she had felt it, and the raised seal is clearly visible in the photographic image of the back of the short-form birth certificate (which is the official birth certificate of Hawaii).

Re: "The word "the" appears TWICE, incorrectly spelled ONLY ONCE!"

Answer: The H in the THE was only faint once, and because it was faint, the scan and PDF represented the H as an X.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149890 Apr 8, 2013
Re: "The AP reporter stated the following."

The AP has said that it never said any such thing.(And if it did,which it didn't, that still would not make Obama born in Kenya when:(1) the Kenyan government has said that Obama was NOT born there; and (2) the Hawaii government (officials of BOTH parties) have said that he was born there; and (3) It would have cost the equivalent of $10,000 in 2013 dollars to send Obama's mother alone to Kenya, at enormous risk---when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii).

To repeat, the AP NEVER said it.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149891 Apr 8, 2013
Indemnity wrote:
<quoted text>Barack Hussein Obama, II was and still is a natural born subject of her Britannic Majesty. The evidence strongly suggests that the motive and opportunity was available for Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. to declare his son a citizen of Kenya, and for the Kenyan government to grant “favors” to a high ranking official such as Obama Sr. These same favors gave both opportunity and motive to his son Obama, II to pursue a connection to his father in 1982, by taking the oath of allegiance to Kenya. Evidence demonstrates that Barry Soetoro was considered an Indonesian citizen based upon the legal documents available.
As such, we are in a state of Constitutional Crisis, we call upon every American who believes that the Constitution is in fact a contract between the people and their government to raise their voices and to be heard. Every law, and treaty passed until this is resolved in the courts of the United States with competent jurisdiction over Article II, Section 1will render them null and void. Every military member who performs their duty in “good faith” may find himself or herself charged with crimes against humanity because they were not acting under the legal color of authority of the Commander in Chief, specifically because there is no legal Commander in Chief.
Re:“Barack Hussein Obama, II was and still is a natural born subject of her Britannic Majesty.“

Answer: Actually, no, that expired decades ago, but if he were, it would not affect in the slightest. The USA has already had several presidents who were dual citizens either at birth or when they were actually president (James Madison being an example of the latter).

Re:“The evidence strongly suggests that the motive and opportunity was available for Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. to declare his son a citizen of Kenya, and for the Kenyan government to grant “favors” to a high ranking official such as Obama Sr.“

Answer: So now you are saying that he was a Kenyan citizen. Well, the Kenyan Embassy in Washington says that he wasn’t.

Re:“Evidence demonstrates that Barry Soetoro was considered an Indonesian citizen based upon the legal documents available.”

Answer: There is an unsigned application to attend school in Indonesia, but it is UNSIGNED---so who filled it out? And, in any case, the Indonesian Embassy has said that Obama was NEVER a citizen of Indonesia.

Re:“As such, we are in a state of Constitutional Crisis…”

Answer: Sure we are. Have you heard Ann Couler, Glenn Beck or the National Review say that we are in a “constitutional crisis?” How about John McCain, or Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee?

Orly Taitz’s last meeting for birthers drew a grand total of a few people. Birthers and two-fers asked the members of the US Electoral College to change their vote to vote against Obama in 2008 and in 2012---and guess what, not one single Elector changed her or his vote. Obama won 356 electoral votes in the general election in 2008, and he received 356 votes by the people who were the electors---not one changed. And he received 332 electoral votes in the election of 2012, and guess what, he received 332 votes by the people who were the electors---not one changed. Yet in past elections one or two electors have from time to time switched their votes. In this case, not one did. And Obama’s election was confirmed UNANIMOUSLY by the US Congress in the 2008 and 2012 elections. Big “Constitutional Crisis.”
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149892 Apr 8, 2013
Questions for those who believe that Obama could have been born outside of the USA:

I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.

(Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)

So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?

Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?

All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
Well, they never did. There is no such file.

So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?

Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)--–and yet no document has been found. Why not?

The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?

(The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)

So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?

And it remains illogical (to say the least) to believe that Obama's relatives had enough money (Obama's American grandfather was just a furniture salesman at the time, and his American grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank, and his father
came to Hawaii on a free flight) or stupid enough to spend that money on a long, risky and highly-expensive trip for their pregnant daughter (risk of stillbirths was high at the time)----when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149893 Apr 8, 2013
It seems there has been a ,pt of snowing going on there on Mount Kilimanjaro even though we are months away from Winter starting in the Southern Hemisphere. Oh, it is south of the equator!!!

http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Kilimanj...
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#149894 Apr 8, 2013
Bush Republicans are not conservative and Clinton Democrats are not liberal!

They all work for Wall Street and K-Street not Main Street!

Ron Paul Authentic Conservative
http://tinyurl.com/3ldue3
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/

Ralph Nader Authentic Liberal
http://tinyurl.com/2powf
http://www.votenader.org

Oil & Gas: Money to Congress
http://tinyurl.com/67oymj
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149896 Apr 8, 2013
Man of Lawlessness wrote:
<quoted text>The Son of Perdition.
And you are a troll on the Road to Perdition!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149897 Apr 8, 2013
Well, it looks like Putin is not tootey-fruity as his eyes are buggin' out. And he ain't lookin' at a gay guy either!

Gay rights activists, topless protesters greet Putin
By Alexei Anishchuk and Thomas Escritt | Reuters –
http://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-urges-germany-p...
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#149899 Apr 8, 2013
Looks like Kentucky Klown Kar got out from his most recent 30 day involuntary commitment.

Lol, this will go well.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149900 Apr 8, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
It seems there has been a ,pt of snowing going on there on Mount Kilimanjaro even though we are months away from Winter starting in the Southern Hemisphere. Oh, it is south of the equator!!!
http://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Kilimanj...
Rogue, fifth (5th) time :

1) what century?

2) Has the earth's temperature remained stable, risen or fallen in the last 35 years. Just answer yes or no.

Also, these constant samples of it snowed here and it snowed there and it was colder her and colder there is wrong, wrong, wrong as weather always seems to be exceptional in all places I've knowns. Local examples are NOT the world's average. What's it been like the last 35 years?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149901 Apr 8, 2013
...PS : And still no response from you on the difference between sea and shelf or land ice in Antarctica. The former is increasing slightly, but the latter, which is deemed more indicative of cooling or warming, is receding. Comments, please.

I do think you are a flaming Antarctic bigot Ha ha LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149902 Apr 8, 2013
Therealnews com wrote:
Bush Republicans are not conservative and Clinton Democrats are not liberal!
They all work for Wall Street and K-Street not Main Street!
Ron Paul Authentic Conservative
http://tinyurl.com/3ldue3
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/
Ralph Nader Authentic Liberal
http://tinyurl.com/2powf
http://www.votenader.org
Oil & Gas: Money to Congress
http://tinyurl.com/67oymj
http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary...
I agree. Except that the democrats are more humane, they still give a hoot about the average guy/gal. The totality of social legislation is democrat, zilch for the repubs. Repubs revere the big guys and their companies and firms, with the average Joe and Jane totally ignored.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149903 Apr 8, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Well, it looks like Putin is not tootey-fruity as his eyes are buggin' out. And he ain't lookin' at a gay guy either!
Gay rights activists, topless protesters greet Putin
By Alexei Anishchuk and Thomas Escritt | Reuters –
http://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-urges-germany-p...
That would make him a democrat progressive liberal. Conservative repubs are too hypocritical to appreciate that kind of thing. They prefer to condemn the topless woman and sneak behind the shed to get a better look and feel if they can.

As two of them railed against homosexuals until the "saw the light" when their kids turned out to be one of them. "He/she opened my eyes to...". Suuuuure.

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