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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149582 Apr 4, 2013
Continuing:

And it is highly irrational (to say the least) to believe that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.(Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149583 Apr 4, 2013
What a sicko, Bill Moyers says out Pledge of Allegiance is a lie, but "next time they say the Pledge of Allegiance" they should remember it's a lie!!! Who is the hypocrite?!?
If you make a pledge, swear an oath, etc. and do not mean it, you are a hypocrite!!! But that is okay with you Libytards.

Bill Moyers:‘The Pledge of Allegiance is a Lie’
Taxpayer-funded PBS personality says pledge ‘makes the hypocrisy go down easier.’: 4/3/2013

Veteran journalist Bill Moyers told his viewers on March 29 that the next time they say the Pledge of Allegiance, they should “remember: it’s a lie. A whopper of a lie.” Bill Moyers’s “Moyers & Company,” which included the snippet, airs on taxpayer funded PBS.

“We coax it from the mouths of babes for the same reason our politicians wear those flag pins in their lapels – it makes the hypocrisy go down easier, the way aspirin helps a headache go away.”

In a flurry of finger pointing, Moyers called out former presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, as well as former Vice Presidential Candidate Paul Ryan and the company Halliburton for obstructing justice and trampling on the less fortunate.

“’Justice for all’ is a line item in the budget – sequestered now by the Paul Ryans of Congress and the Fix the Debt gang of plutocratic CEOs who, with a wink-wink from our president, claim,‘Oh, we can’t afford that!’”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149584 Apr 4, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Obama’s birth certificate is not forged. Only birther “experts” have called it forged, and they have not shown that they are even experts, much less fair and impartial. Those are two reasons why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck or the National Review (or by Mitt Romney or Paul Ryan or Gingrich or Santorum or Huckabee).
One proof that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.
Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate.
The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it? And it is especially unlikely since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time, and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.
And birther sites have not shown you these real experts.
Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”
Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”
John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.
Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.
Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.
Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.
Tell us which INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT EXPERT has been allowed to examine any of Obama's "documents"? A jpeg posted on the internet is NOT a document!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149586 Apr 4, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
Continuing:
And it is highly irrational (to say the least) to believe that Obama’s relatives had enough money (Obama’s grandfather was just a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time; and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) or crazy enough to spend LOTS of money on a long and expensive and risky (incidents of stillbirths were high at the time) overseas trip for their pregnant daughter—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.(Oh, and the government of Kenya has said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” claim, and that it did not happen.)
Where did Obama get the money to attend Harvard and Columbia? How about his trip abroad in 1981?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149587 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us which INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT EXPERT has been allowed to examine any of Obama's "documents"? A jpeg posted on the internet is NOT a document!!!
So, how can the birther "experts", who also saw only the Web images, claim that it is forged????

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149588 Apr 4, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
And today continues Rogue Moron's years long meltdown.
Very sad to watch indeed.
What is sad is all you can do is make troll comments as you are totally incapable of engaging in any sort of an intellectually honest discussion.
Yep, all I have is an associates degree in aeronautics and I am still way above your level.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#149589 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us which INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT EXPERT has been allowed to examine any of Obama's "documents"? A jpeg posted on the internet is NOT a document!!!
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Tell us where in the US Constitution any of the documents birfoons drool over make one a "natural born citizen."

Moreover, since when would an internet image be used in court to determine place of birth? The courts use only official hard-copy documents. Why do birfoons, like Sheriff Clown Boy's Cold Cut Pansies, refuse hard-copy documents?

Sorry, Rogue Moron, but this fake issue is dead. Only the few remaining birfoons still care and no one gives a shite what you think.

You are good for some hearty guffaws, though.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149590 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us which INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT EXPERT has been allowed to examine any of Obama's "documents"? A jpeg posted on the internet is NOT a document!!!
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
So, how can the birther "experts", who also saw only the Web images, claim that it is forged????
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Tell us which INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT EXPERT has been allowed to examine any of Obama's "documents"? A jpeg posted on the internet is NOT a document!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149591 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us which INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT EXPERT has been allowed to examine any of Obama's "documents"? A jpeg posted on the internet is NOT a document!!!
<quoted text>
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Tell us which INDEPENDENT DOCUMENT EXPERT has been allowed to examine any of Obama's "documents"? A jpeg posted on the internet is NOT a document!!!
So how come the birther "experts"---who also have only seen the Web images---have CLAIMED that it is forged?

They claim that it is forged because they want people to believe that Obama was not born in Hawaii. THAT is the reason that they claim that it is forged, not that they believe that it is forged.

And there are plenty of experts who have seen the same Web image that they did who say that it is not forged.

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country BOTH (1) the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH would ALL have to be lying. And (2) Obama’s relatives would have had to have had enough money (and his American grandparents were by no means rich. His grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank in 1961, and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) and be willing to waste it sending their pregnant only daughter on a trip ALONE to a foreign country (since WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) at the risk of stillbirth (whose incidence was high at the time)—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149593 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did Obama get the money to attend Harvard and Columbia? How about his trip abroad in 1981?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XVSRm80WzZkXX
His trip abroad was paid for by the rich parents of a fellow student at Occidental. And by 1980 the family was much better off than it was in 1961. Obama's grandmother had by then become a vice president at the bank, and finally there are such things as ACADEMIC scholarships.

In any case, Obama's family CERTAINLY was not rich enough to throw away the equivalent of ten thousand dollars on sending their pregnant daughter to Kenya (or a lesser sum for any other country) at high risk of stillbirth (which had a high incidence in those days)-----when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149595 Apr 4, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>\
Tell us where in the US Constitution any of the documents birfoons drool over make one a "natural born citizen."
Moreover, since when would an internet image be used in court to determine place of birth? The courts use only official hard-copy documents. Why do birfoons, like Sheriff Clown Boy's Cold Cut Pansies, refuse hard-copy documents?
Sorry, Rogue Moron, but this fake issue is dead. Only the few remaining birfoons still care and no one gives a shite what you think.
You are good for some hearty guffaws, though.
Well, it all depends on what the meaning of "is" is!!!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149596 Apr 4, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
His trip abroad was paid for by the rich parents of a fellow student at Occidental. And by 1980 the family was much better off than it was in 1961. Obama's grandmother had by then become a vice president at the bank, and finally there are such things as ACADEMIC scholarships.
In any case, Obama's family CERTAINLY was not rich enough to throw away the equivalent of ten thousand dollars on sending their pregnant daughter to Kenya (or a lesser sum for any other country) at high risk of stillbirth (which had a high incidence in those days)-----when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu.
Have you ever seen a rational pregnant 18 year old woman?
Next, do you have any proof Obama received any sort of scholarship other than one for a foreign student?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#149597 Apr 4, 2013
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#149598 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Have you ever seen a rational pregnant 18 year old woman?
Next, do you have any proof Obama received any sort of scholarship other than one for a foreign student?
The "foreign student scholarship" claim came from an April Fool's article originally published on April 1, 2009. Do you make a practice of believing April Fool's articles?

As for academic scholarships. The question was how could his relatives afford it. The obvious answer, since the foreign student scholarship myth is ruled out by it being an April Fool's article (and by the story claiming that it was a Fulbright Scholarship, which goes only to graduate students) and since Obama was not an athlete, is academic scholarships. This is confirmed to some extent by his having gotten a Magna Cum Lude at Harvard Law School, indicating that he was a good student.

This is a better explanation than the birther myth that Obama's education was paid for by the Saudi Royal family.

The original issue, to remind you, was whether or not his family had enough money to waste some of it on sending Obama's pregnant mother to a foreign country in 1961. And the answer is still that they didn't have anywhere near that much money and wouldn't have wasted it on such a trip if they did.

Re: "Have you ever seen a rational pregnant 18 year old woman?'

Answer: That has nothing to do with it (and BTW, the answer is that there are indeed rational pregnant 18 year old women). Even if she were irrational, her family did not have the money to send her to Kenya or any other country and they wouldn't have wasted the money on that trip if they had it.(And if she were irrational, they would have been even less likely to send her to a foreign country ALONE [since WND has proven that Obama Senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961] than if she were rational.)

For Obama to have been born in a foreign country BOTH:

(1) the officials in Hawaii of BOTH parties and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH would ALL have to be lying because they ALL say that he was born in Honolulu.

And (2) Obama’s relatives would have had to have had enough money (and his American grandparents were by no means rich. His grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank in 1961, and his father came to Hawaii on a free flight) and be willing to waste it sending their pregnant only daughter on a trip ALONE to a foreign country (since WND has proven that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) at the risk of stillbirth (whose incidence was high at the time)—–when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149599 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
MAIL FROM AN ARAB STUDENT TO HIS DAD
Dear Dad
Berlin is wonderful, people are nice and I really
like it here, but Dad, I am a bit ashamed to arrive
at my college with my pure-gold Ferrari 599GTB
when all my teachers and many fellow students
travel by train.
Your son, Nasser
The next day, Nasser gets a reply to his e-mail
from his dad:
My dear loving son
Twenty million dollars from American and Canadian gas pumps has just been transferred to your account. Please stop embarrassing us. Go and get yourself a train too.
Love, your Dad
What's your problem again? Envy? Oh, okay. BTW, Nasser wouldn't be Iraqi now would he? How cute. USA in debt, deep debt over war expenses in Iraq, 4500 hundred of their military killed, 32, 000 maimed for life. Iraqi shows its gratitude by sending their sons, the Nasser sons, to study in the US, how nice. And Iraq has become the 3rd petroleum producer IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD, but is somehow not lowering the price for its us liberator, nor is it paying war reparations, and omg, is handing out huge oil exploration and exploitation to American Lady's great friens, the Russians.

WTG,Nasser, you ungrateful wretch, make Rogue and his ilk drool.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149600 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Obama never, ever lead a troop of boy scouts across a street and you give him a multi-trillion dollar country to run? Mitt Romney was far more qualified to lead anything where as Obama can not!
Mit Romney , as he has well proven, is far more qualified to run a Chinese factory who slave-wage workers have taken jobs from American workers. Carry on, Barack, you're doing great.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149601 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
What a sicko, Bill Moyers says out Pledge of Allegiance is a lie, but "next time they say the Pledge of Allegiance" they should remember it's a lie!!! Who is the hypocrite?!?
If you make a pledge, swear an oath, etc. and do not mean it, you are a hypocrite!!! But that is okay with you Libytards.
Bill Moyers:‘The Pledge of Allegiance is a Lie’
Taxpayer-funded PBS personality says pledge ‘makes the hypocrisy go down easier.’: 4/3/2013
Veteran journalist Bill Moyers told his viewers on March 29 that the next time they say the Pledge of Allegiance, they should “remember: it’s a lie. A whopper of a lie.” Bill Moyers’s “Moyers & Company,” which included the snippet, airs on taxpayer funded PBS.
“We coax it from the mouths of babes for the same reason our politicians wear those flag pins in their lapels – it makes the hypocrisy go down easier, the way aspirin helps a headache go away.”
In a flurry of finger pointing, Moyers called out former presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, as well as former Vice Presidential Candidate Paul Ryan and the company Halliburton for obstructing justice and trampling on the less fortunate.
“’Justice for all’ is a line item in the budget – sequestered now by the Paul Ryans of Congress and the Fix the Debt gang of plutocratic CEOs who, with a wink-wink from our president, claim,‘Oh, we can’t afford that!’”
Moyers is soooo right. The flag AND the pledge of allegiance ARE the eefuges of the scoundrels. A lapel pin makes everything good, even the bad stuff.

And you think, Rogue, that just because PBS is PARTLY pubblicly funded, that it should toe the govt line? Is that YOUR idea of freedom of expression?

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149602 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did Obama get the money to attend Harvard and Columbia? How about his trip abroad in 1981?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =XVSRm80WzZkXX
I already answered that question, Rogue. Of course, you had no comeback, so instead you come back with it hoping no one remembers. The answer is where do all those middle-class students get the $35,000 a year it takes to attend university? I don't know, but there are a hell of a lot of them, Obama being one.As to travel, do you think that the youth of the 60s and after never travelled? You never saw them all over the world in youth hostels, washing dishes, odd chores to pay their way? Cripes, I saw and spoke to so many of them, being perfectly situated to do so. And they were interesting , Rogue because yes indeed, travel IS an education in itself.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#149603 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
What is sad is all you can do is make troll comments as you are totally incapable of engaging in any sort of an intellectually honest discussion.
Yep, all I have is an associates degree in aeronautics and I am still way above your level.
Would you say , Rogue, that claiming Obama hires "puffers" with removed front teeth to "service" him to be an intellectually honest discussion? Do tell.
Grand Birther

United States

#149604 Apr 4, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
What is sad is all you can do is make troll comments as you are totally incapable of engaging in any sort of an intellectually honest discussion.
Yep, all I have is an associates degree in aeronautics and I am still way above your level.
Lol, sorry you're so butthurt, but every dumb thing you've written here has been skewered, and laughably so, by yours truly.

You're an embarrassment.

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