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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#145077 Mar 1, 2013
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Playing on Topix is fun, not to mention educational. I know. I learn new words, new expressions daily. Today, and from literary gian Fed up, I just learned "sorrowly missed". Thank you, will add to my vocabulary and library of quaint expressions.
Orly Taitz has been mocked and laughed at more times than she can remember. Add today.
Orly Taitz is a mentally unblanced nut case

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#145078 Mar 1, 2013
wojar wrote:
Study: racial prejudice plays role in Obama citizenship views
USA Today, April 27, 2011.
“Racial prejudice does play a role, suggests a study led by Eric Hehman of the University of Delaware in the March Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.”
“So, to tease out the influence of racial prejudice on perceptions of Obama's Americanism, the researchers asked 295 students, both black and white, to evaluate the performance and "Americanism" of the two politicians in late 2009. They also included six questions, widely used in psychology, to gauge whether folks are more or less prejudiced against blacks.”
“Whites higher in prejudice rated Obama as less American, and as performing more poorly as president.”
“Psychologist Jack Brigham of Florida State University, an expert in racial attitudes research who was not part of the study, says,‘the results strongly support a role of racism in the birther movement.’ He adds the racial attitude survey questions used in the study represent legitimate measures of prejudice used in psychology.”
“The results support recent research that prejudice expresses itself in American society in non-overt ways, sometimes in attitudes not even consciously held by people.”
Oh, I see several major flaws in this study. One, a greater number of whites are Republicans and many blacks do not believe that another black person can possibly be a racist. In fact many blacks do not consider affirmative actions for blacks to be a form of racism! In fact many believe that if you are against racial affirmative actions programs YOU are the racist.
It is just like the NAACP, they do not want to solve racism because once racism is gone, they will no longer be needed. Same goes for the EPA, OSHA, etc., they all must continue to find new problems.
Maude

Floral Park, NY

#145080 Mar 1, 2013
abc wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats because most in her district smoke too much weed and other stuff, and enjoy sucking off the government teet. Pigs on a farm have more brains
I could'nt agree more.

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#145081 Mar 1, 2013
kkk wrote:
REPEAL EXECUTIVE ORDER #13489
Hey you read this if you the brains to do it.
The Executive Order 13489 Myth

Another canon in birther mythology is the claim that Barack Obama signed an Executive Order his first day in office sealing his records.

While he did sign an executive order (Executive Order 13489), the truth of the matter is a bit different than what the birthers claim.

As in 180 degrees different.

On 18 January 1989, then-President Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12667, which established policies and procedures to govern "Executive Privilege" from current and former Presidents in connection with their Presidential Records, which among other things allowed the Archivist of the United States to release those records unless, within 30 days from notification, the current or former President says "no".

On 5 November 2001, the-President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13233, which restricted those records for a period of 12 years after the President in question left office and increased the time to 90 days. In addition, it allowed the current President to override the requests of the former President in regards to those records. It specifically revoked Reagan's order of 18 January 1989.

So what did Obama's Executive Order 13489 do?

It is almost word for word an exact copy of Reagan's order of 18 January 1989, and has the effect of expanding access to Presidential records by specifically revoking Bush's order of 5 November 2001.

Here's the other thing that birthers don't seem to understand about Executive Order 13489.

It only applies to Presidential Records, not the records before one became president. And there's nothing in Executive Order 13489 that hides the pre-Presidential records at all.

It's interesting how the birthers could take something that is almost identical to what Ronald Reagan did in office, and turn it 180 to claim it's something it's really not.

The myth that Obama signed an order hiding his records? Busted.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#145082 Mar 1, 2013
Birfoon irrationality.

" http://www.science20.com/science_20/studies_y... ;

"Obama might not have known where he was born if he had to rely on his father's honesty, they instead attributed it to racism."

Hahahahahahaha.

His father's honesty is relevant?

He relied on the fact that his MOTHER gave birth to him at Kapiolani, delivered by David A. Sinclair, M.D., attending physician, as verified by HDoH.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#145083 Mar 1, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't speak for me you pencil-necked, zit-faced, ignorant, lying piece of roadkill. Epic infant! LMAO!!!
Where did you ever get the notion that I was speaking for you? RU taking your meds?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Grow up. Your fig leaf is inadequate.
BTW, your buddy has used the term in reference to persons of African ancestry. Jacques called him on that. Grow a brain.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#145084 Mar 1, 2013
kkk wrote:
<quoted text>
car sales up in China!
And that negates "Car sales in US up 7% in January"?
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Another bad day for Rogue. Car sales in US up 7% in January. In spite of March 1 deadline past, DJIA is up about 40 points. Who will stop this diabolical Obama?

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#145085 Mar 1, 2013
Chamber of Commerce CEO: Obama Is Tyrannical & Borderline Communist
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Obama: I Am Not A Dictator - 3/1/2013
He's a dictator in training
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#145086 Mar 1, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
USA Today is a joke.
USA Today made up the story? Is that your fantasy?
wojar wrote:
Study: racial prejudice plays role in Obama citizenship views
USA Today, April 27, 2011.
“Racial prejudice does play a role, suggests a study led by Eric Hehman of the University of Delaware in the March Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.”
“So, to tease out the influence of racial prejudice on perceptions of Obama's Americanism, the researchers asked 295 students, both black and white, to evaluate the performance and "Americanism" of the two politicians in late 2009. They also included six questions, widely used in psychology, to gauge whether folks are more or less prejudiced against blacks.”
“Whites higher in prejudice rated Obama as less American, and as performing more poorly as president.”
“Psychologist Jack Brigham of Florida State University, an expert in racial attitudes research who was not part of the study, says,‘the results strongly support a role of racism in the birther movement.’ He adds the racial attitude survey questions used in the study represent legitimate measures of prejudice used in psychology.”
“The results support recent research that prejudice expresses itself in American society in non-overt ways, sometimes in attitudes not even consciously held by people.”
Lincoln

United States

#145087 Mar 1, 2013
wojar wrote:
"Hehman's study found that because social norms declare racial prejudice to be inappropriate, highly-prejudiced whites may seek alternative reasons for their lack of acceptance of Obama. According to Hehman, those whites may feel a need to legitimize their beliefs about Obama by attributing them to other factors, including certain un-American social policies."
http://www.udreview.com/news/grad-student-bir...
http://tinyurl.com/b223hf9
President Obama approval rating 55%

Republican House Approval rating 9%
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#145088 Mar 1, 2013
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you ever get the notion that I was speaking for you? RU taking your meds?
<quoted text>
helpless infant

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#145089 Mar 1, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, why did John Carry drop his lawsuit against the Swift Boat Vets. just before they were going to give depositions? Because John Carry would have to give a deposition under OATH!!!
As usual, John Carry is a coward just like he was in Vietnam.
Still presuming to know what you have no way of knowing Rogue?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#145091 Mar 1, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see several major flaws in this study. One, a greater number of whites are Republicans and many blacks do not believe that another black person can possibly be a racist. In fact many blacks do not consider affirmative actions for blacks to be a form of racism! In fact many believe that if you are against racial affirmative actions programs YOU are the racist.
You fantasize major flaws as you are scientifically illiterate.

Rouge Birfoon: "One, a greater number of whites are Republicans"

Please point out how your irrelevant observation indicates flawed methodology. The study indicates that birfoons are driven by racism. It matters not how many birfoons are Republicans or Hillary supporters or Truthers or flat earthers or psychiatric patients.

Grow a brain.

Affirmative action? What RU smoking? Irrelevant.

The study showed a correlation between prejudice indicators and birfoonism.
wojar wrote:
Study: racial prejudice plays role in Obama citizenship views
USA Today, April 27, 2011.
“Racial prejudice does play a role, suggests a study led by Eric Hehman of the University of Delaware in the March Journal of Experimental Social Psychology.”
“So, to tease out the influence of racial prejudice on perceptions of Obama's Americanism, the researchers asked 295 students, both black and white, to evaluate the performance and "Americanism" of the two politicians in late 2009. They also included six questions, widely used in psychology, to gauge whether folks are more or less prejudiced against blacks.”
“Whites higher in prejudice rated Obama as less American, and as performing more poorly as president.”
“Psychologist Jack Brigham of Florida State University, an expert in racial attitudes research who was not part of the study, says,‘the results strongly support a role of racism in the birther movement.’ He adds the racial attitude survey questions used in the study represent legitimate measures of prejudice used in psychology.”
“The results support recent research that prejudice expresses itself in American society in non-overt ways, sometimes in attitudes not even consciously held by people.”
Peter

New York, NY

#145092 Mar 1, 2013
Laura Bush killed a guy.
Lincoln

United States

#145093 Mar 1, 2013
Even while those Republicans blasted what committee chairman Rep. Buck McKeon, R-Calif., called "a lack of leadership and truth-telling" on the part of Mr. Obama, he also echoed some key points being made by the president's administration at the Pentagon.
"We have the responsibility to protect our nation's defense and to make sure that those who we send out to war have the things that they need to carry out their missions and return home safely," McKeon argued. "We are done cutting our defense. You know, we are fairly intelligent. We know that we can cut two cents out of the dollar of government spending. Every family in this nation has had to do that. But while we've cut those two cents, 50 cents have come out of our national defense for every dollar we've spent."

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#145094 Mar 1, 2013
nebka wrote:
<quoted text>
Orly Taitz is a mentally unblanced nut case
And you are not. You do know you are protected by America's nuclear umbrella, don't you?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#145095 Mar 1, 2013
Peter wrote:
Laura Bush killed a guy.
So, what's you point?

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#145096 Mar 1, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, why did John Carry drop his lawsuit against the Swift Boat Vets. just before they were going to give depositions? Because John Carry would have to give a deposition under OATH!!!
As usual, John Carry is a coward just like he was in Vietnam.
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Still presuming to know what you have no way of knowing Rogue?
Pardon me but if you give a sworn deposition, if you do not tell the truth, you maybe found guilty of making a false deposition. The fact is the Swift Boaters did not lie but John Kerry did.
Fact, not one Swift Boater who served with him in Vietnam stood up with him. NOT ONE!!!
Oh his two crewman, one stood against him while the other remained silent.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#145098 Mar 1, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh, I see several major flaws in this study. One, a greater number of whites are Republicans and many blacks do not believe that another black person can possibly be a racist. In fact many blacks do not consider affirmative actions for blacks to be a form of racism! In fact many believe that if you are against racial affirmative actions programs YOU are the racist.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
You fantasize major flaws as you are scientifically illiterate.
Rouge Birfoon: "One, a greater number of whites are Republicans"
Please point out how your irrelevant observation indicates flawed methodology. The study indicates that birfoons are driven by racism. It matters not how many birfoons are Republicans or Hillary supporters or Truthers or flat earthers or psychiatric patients.
Grow a brain.
Affirmative action? What RU smoking? Irrelevant.
The study showed a correlation between prejudice indicators and birfoonism.
<quoted text>
"a greater number of whites are Republicans" should have read a greater percentage of whites are Republicans".
And just how does it indicate we are driven by racism? If anything it is blacks who are driven by racism to ignore the facts! Just like those who would not find O.J. Simpson guilty in the murder trial.
Did you find it odd that the cut on the glove was at the same place his hand was cut? I know, I know, he cut it on a broken glass. I have never cut my hand on a glass and I bet most people haven't especially on the same night his ex-wife is murdered.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#145101 Mar 1, 2013
nebka wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey you read this if you the brains to do it.
The Executive Order 13489 Myth
Another canon in birther mythology is the claim that Barack Obama signed an Executive Order his first day in office sealing his records.
While he did sign an executive order (Executive Order 13489), the truth of the matter is a bit different than what the birthers claim.
As in 180 degrees different.
On 18 January 1989, then-President Ronald Reagan signed Executive Order 12667, which established policies and procedures to govern "Executive Privilege" from current and former Presidents in connection with their Presidential Records, which among other things allowed the Archivist of the United States to release those records unless, within 30 days from notification, the current or former President says "no".
On 5 November 2001, the-President George W. Bush signed Executive Order 13233, which restricted those records for a period of 12 years after the President in question left office and increased the time to 90 days. In addition, it allowed the current President to override the requests of the former President in regards to those records. It specifically revoked Reagan's order of 18 January 1989.
So what did Obama's Executive Order 13489 do?
It is almost word for word an exact copy of Reagan's order of 18 January 1989, and has the effect of expanding access to Presidential records by specifically revoking Bush's order of 5 November 2001.
Here's the other thing that birthers don't seem to understand about Executive Order 13489.
It only applies to Presidential Records, not the records before one became president. And there's nothing in Executive Order 13489 that hides the pre-Presidential records at all.
It's interesting how the birthers could take something that is almost identical to what Ronald Reagan did in office, and turn it 180 to claim it's something it's really not.
The myth that Obama signed an order hiding his records? Busted.
And you assume that all of us believe that about the EO? I don't believe all Progressives are child molesters!

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