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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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First Things First; Let’s Establish Who Jesus Is:
Question:“Who is Jesus Christ?”
Answer: Unlike the question “Does God exist?” very few people question whether Jesus Christ existed. It is generally accepted that Jesus was truly a man who walked on the earth in Israel 2000 years ago. The debate begins when the subject of Jesus’ full identity is discussed. Almost every major religion teaches that Jesus was a prophet or a good teacher or a godly man. The problem is that the Bible tells us that Jesus was infinitely more than a prophet, a good teacher, or a godly man.
http://beablessingsomehow.com/first-things-fi...
Well Mr. Savage not everyone believes Jesus was an actual historical figure.

ALL CLAIMS OF JESUS DERIVE FROM HEARSAY ACCOUNTS

No one has the slightest physical evidence to support a historical Jesus; no artifacts, dwelling, works of carpentry, or self-written manuscripts. All claims about Jesus derive from writings of other people. There occurs no contemporary Roman record that shows Pontius Pilate executing a man named Jesus. Devastating to historians, there occurs not a single contemporary writing that mentions Jesus.

All documents about Jesus came well after the life of the alleged Jesus from either: unknown authors, people who had never met an earthly Jesus, or from fraudulent, mythical or allegorical writings. Although one can argue that many of these writings come from fraud or interpolations, I will use the information and dates to show that even if these sources did not come from interpolations, they could still not serve as reliable evidence for a historical Jesus, simply because all sources about Jesus derive from hearsay accounts.
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Personally, I believe he probably did exist.

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Public opinion polls show that despite liberal denial, at least one in five or 17% of Americans recognize that Barack Hussein Obama is a Muslim.[2][3]. Obama himself has professed to be a Christian; When interviewed by Christianity Today magazine, Obama said:
"I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals.
"There is one thing that I want to mention that I think is important. Part of what we've been seeing during the course of this campaign is some scurrilous e-mails that have been sent out, denying my faith, talking about me being a Muslim, suggesting that I got sworn in at the U.S. Senate with a Quran in my hand or that I don't pledge allegiance to the flag. I think it's really important for your readers to know that I have been a member of the same church for almost 20 years, and I have never practiced Islam. I am respectful of the religion, but it's not my own. One of the things that's very important in this day and age is that we don't use religion as a political tool and certainly that we don't lie about religion as a way to score political points. I just thought it was important to get that in there to dispel rumors that have been over the Internet. We've done so repeatedly, but obviously it's a political tactic of somebody to try to provide this misinformation.[4]
Despite these claims, many Americans realize that he is, in fact, a Muslim. The following is a list of items that indicates that Obama is a Muslim:
Obama declared in prepared remarks, "The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country - I know, because I am one of them."[6][7]
Obama's wife Michelle does not accompany him to Muslim nations because Sharia law would apply to her there; on a presidential trip she was with him until France, but then returned home.
In prepared remarks in April 2012, Obama referred to Jesus as ***"a" Son of God rather than as ***"the" Son of God: "And for me, and I’m sure for some of you, it’s also a chance to remember the tremendous sacrifice that led up to that day, and all that Christ endured—not just as a Son of God, but as a human being."[8]
Obama's background and outlook are Muslim, and fewer than 1% of Muslims convert to Christianity.[9][10] Although Obama attended a Catholic school while in Indonesia, he was a part of the Muslim society there.[11]
http://www.conservapedia.com/Obama 's_Religion

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There IS a difference in "a" and "the" ...
What does it mean that Jesus is God's only begotten son?
Answer: The phrase “only begotten Son” occurs in John 3:16, which reads in the King James Version as, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." The phrase "only begotten" translates the Greek word monogenes. This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

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conclusion

It's this last phrase ("only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB and the NKJV) that causes problems. False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn't God; i.e., that Jesus isn't equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text.
The second definition is "pertaining to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind."
and he uses this word to highlight Jesus as uniquely God's Son—sharing the same divine nature as God—as opposed to believers who are God's sons and daughters through faith.
The bottom line is that terms such as "Father" and "Son," that are descriptive of God and Jesus, are human terms used to help us understand the relationship between the different Persons of the Trinity. If you can understand the relationship between a human father and a human son, then you can understand, in part, the relationship between the First and Second Persons of the Trinity. The analogy breaks down if you try to take it too far and teach, as some Christian cults (such as the Jehovah’s Witnesses), that Jesus was literally "begotten" as in “produced” or “created” by God the Father.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/only-begotten-son...
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Feb 24, 2013
 
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>It appears that it is YOU who is "stuck on Stupid [Obama]"
And the moron falls back into the sandbox fable ... Anyone that laughs at Birfoon fantasies must be a communist. Sorry Bobby the pathetic Birfoon - must suck to be the loser in the sandbox
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<quoted text>I WILL prevail!
You have lost your entire life - that will never change

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This is from the Beaufort NC paper-a letter to the editor
http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.p...

More Modern Way of Living
Beaufort, N.C
Jan 17, 2013
TO THE EDITOR:

Republicans and "so called" conservatives are at it again. They are claiming that the Constitution gives them the right to have guns with out the permission of the government. If that were true, then how would New York and Chicago have laws against it.
We Democrats are sick and tired of the Republicans constantly using the Constitution to cover up their true plans, which are to make us afraid of everyone else. Our great president came from a civilized part of the country where there is strict gun control, and he is only trying to bring the benefits of that more modern way of living to the rest of us. I don't know the exact statistics but I am quite certain that Chicago is a lot safer that Moorehead City, when it comes to gun violence.

But do Republicans and conservatives listen to the voice of reason? No, of course not. All they want to do is whine and complain about how gun control and wealth redistribution violate the Constitution, as if the Constitution were all that great, anyway. There are alot of things that need to be changed in the Constitution, I'd say, and President Obama needs to change it.
The Republicans are just trying to stand in the way, because the President is black. They even dared to question whether he was born in this country. I think all this demonstrates that the Constitution needs to be amended when it comes to the qualifications for being President. Right now it says that a person has to be 35 years old and be a natual born citizen. Well that is obviously unfair because there are a great many otherwise qualified people who cannot run for President because their mothers had to have a C-section. But because the Constitution was written a hundred years ago, nobody even thought of the discrimination that would result from a doctor having to deliver a baby in this unnatural way. Now that we Democrats are in control of the government, that just one more thing we should change in our drive to make life fair.
Please withhold my name because I don't want to get crank calls.

PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT
A typical Libtard Letter to the Editor/Please note how long it takes for this Libtard to throw out the RACE CARD. Ah PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT, some Republicans are ..... black!!!
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Feb 24, 2013
 
Fed Up wrote:
Feb. 13, 2013 UPDATE BREAKING - Obama Identity Scandal - Lt. Mike Zullo
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
"Yeah we thought we had something really big but as usual it was just a pipe dream."
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Feb 24, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
[QUOTE]This is from the Beaufort NC paper-a letter to the editor
http://www.tbssowners.com/forums/showthread.p...

More Modern Way of Living
Beaufort, N.C
Jan 17, 2013
TO THE EDITOR:

Republicans and "so called" conservatives are at it again. They are claiming that the Constitution gives them the right to have guns with out the permission of the government. If that were true, then how would New York and Chicago have laws against it.
We Democrats are sick and tired of the Republicans constantly using the Constitution to cover up their true plans, which are to make us afraid of everyone else. Our great president came from a civilized part of the country where there is strict gun control, and he is only trying to bring the benefits of that more modern way of living to the rest of us. I don't know the exact statistics but I am quite certain that Chicago is a lot safer that Moorehead City, when it comes to gun violence.

But do Republicans and conservatives listen to the voice of reason? No, of course not. All they want to do is whine and complain about how gun control and wealth redistribution violate the Constitution, as if the Constitution were all that great, anyway. There are alot of things that need to be changed in the Constitution, I'd say, and President Obama needs to change it.
The Republicans are just trying to stand in the way, because the President is black. They even dared to question whether he was born in this country. I think all this demonstrates that the Constitution needs to be amended when it comes to the qualifications for being President. Right now it says that a person has to be 35 years old and be a natual born citizen. Well that is obviously unfair because there are a great many otherwise qualified people who cannot run for President because their mothers had to have a C-section. But because the Constitution was written a hundred years ago, nobody even thought of the discrimination that would result from a doctor having to deliver a baby in this unnatural way. Now that we Democrats are in control of the government, that just one more thing we should change in our drive to make life fair.
Please withhold my name because I don't want to get crank calls.

PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT "

A typical Libtard Letter to the Editor/Please note how long it takes for this Libtard to throw out the RACE CARD. Ah PROUD TO BE A DEMOCRAT, some Republicans are ..... black!!!
Sad tired fable. But I guess that's what makes you a Birfoon
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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Wojo wrote:
When you consider make believe definitions of recession, anything is possible.
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Yep, a year and a half ago I named my new puppy after him and called him Little Wojo!
Rouge is not worth naming anything after. I'll keep him in mind if ever I decide to name my toilet bowl.

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Ah, education, private and state pensions, police, none interstate highways, bridges, power poles, etc. are all, STATES OBLIGATIONS!!!
Tell me Jacques, beside DoD schools, name us ONE Federal elementary school, Middle School, High School, College, University?!?
Why should I,as a resident of Florida, have to pay for the pension of a school teacher, fireman, police officer, etc. in California?
Have you ever read the Tenth Amendment to our Constitution?
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
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So, you wrote : "Ah, education, private and state pensions, police, none interstate highways, bridges, power poles, etc. are all, STATES OBLIGATIONS!!!" . FALSE. They are state responsibilities, yes, but mostly funded from federal income and sales taxes. Do you think, do you really think that entire state budgets are solely funded by state taxes? You need to get out more, read a decent paper or two, watch a decent tv channel or two.
But you do pay for other states' benefits. You like to give the example of you funding someone in California. Well, you purchase a B-1, B-2, drones, all that armamenet, submarines and carriers and all, and then build highways that criss-cross the country, are you going to say the U.S. military will only protect the states that contribute the most to the federal treasury and, to push your looney reasoning even farther, that you can only use highways depending on the size of the states' contributions to the federal honey pot? For example, Rhode Island should only be able to use a fraction of the interstate highways as they are federeally funded. If a Rhode Islander wanted to drive to California, then my understanding is , he could only go as far as Massachussets or else hide and use back roads.
Ah, numerous points here. First of all the is NO Federal sales tax. Next, most states have a higher highway fuel tax than federal fuel tax so by buying fuel in other states, you help pay for their local roads and, hence, at allowed to travel on them.
Oh, does Canada have a different spelling for "Massachussets" than we do? I know we do for places like France and Germany. In fact we even pronounce them differently. But Massachusetts is spelled this way.
And then we get to the Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956 which states;
... so located as to connect by routes, as direct as practicable, the principal metropolitan areas, cities, and industrial centers, to serve the national defense, and to connect at suitable border points with routes of continental importance in the Dominion of Canada and the Republic of Mexico.
Please note "national defense"! Do you know who lead the first military convoy to cross our nation from coast to coast was? Captain (Bvt Lt Col) Eisenhower!!!
During WWII Gen. Eisenhower was impressed with Hitler's Autobahn system and decided we needed to provide for mobilization of our military! That is why the federal government got the authority to build the Interstate Highway system.

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Wojo wrote:
When you consider make believe definitions of recession, anything is possible.
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Yep, a year and a half ago I named my new puppy after him and called him Little Wojo!
Justus Liebig wrote:
<quoted text>Rouge is not worth naming anything after. I'll keep him in mind if ever I decide to name my toilet bowl.
Sorry, Little Wojo does knot no how to use a toilet. But just like Big Wojo he just pisses where ever he wants to.

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Several points here Tootzie. Ashcroft said he did not know what the threats were. Maybe he had a death threat from some loony-lefty.
And the person who wrote that article does knot no that inter-agencies do not "lease" form each other. As an Army aviator and having served in Flight Operations in a number of units, I have done missions for the Air Force, Navy and Dept of Transportation as well as other foreign countries.
In 1980 we would charge $2,000 per flight hour in a Chinook from within the Army,$3,000 per hour between U.S. government agencies and $6,000 per hour to foreign governments. No money changes hands, it is all accounting.
On one mission for Dept. of Trans. I had to recover a Cessna from a river. The plane was flying way to love over a river and hit power lines in a remote section of the river. We got there two days after the accident and, yes, the pilot was still in his seat.
There is NO lease. There is however a transfer of funds.
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The USS Stark Incident
http://tinyurl.com/3e7fx
http://eightiesclub.tripod.com/id344.htm
Joint Chiefs Aircraft Hijackings / June 2001
AIRCRAFT PIRACY (HIJACKING) AND DESTRUCTION OF DERELICT
AIRBORNE OBJECTS
http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/cjcsd/cjcsi/...
And just what does that have to do with "leasing" between branches of our government?

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I have been saying that for years. Bill Clinton signed into law four of Newt Gingrich's balanced budgets, seven of the points of the Contract with America and the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997!!! And that snapped our economy back into the Black for Clinton's seconf term.
But the Country Clubbers kicked Newt out of power and Dennis Hastert averaged $300 Billion over budget for seven years.
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You have the facts totally wrong my friend.
Newt Gingrich Republicans Destroyed America with Bill "Wall Street" Clinton.
Enclosed is PROOF:
1929 crash
2008 crash
McCain guru linked to subprime crisis / Republican Phil Gramm
3/28/08 / http://tinyurl.com/2ujo9b
The general co-chairman of John McCain’s presidential campaign, former Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), led the charge in 1999 to repeal a Depression-era banking regulation law that Democrat Barack Obama claimed on Thursday contributed significantly to today’s economic turmoil.
“A regulatory structure set up for banks in the 1930s needed to change because the nature of business had changed,” the Illinois senator running for president said in a New York economic speech.“But by the time [it] was repealed in 1999, the $300 million lobbying effort that drove deregulation was more about facilitating mergers than creating an efficient regulatory framework.”
Gramm’s role in the swift and dramatic recent restructuring of the nation’s investment houses and practices didn’t stop there.
A year after the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act repealed the old regulations, Swiss Bank UBS gobbled up brokerage house Paine Weber. Two years later, Gramm settled in as a vice chairman of UBS’s new investment banking arm.
Later, he became a major player in its government affairs operation. According to federal lobbying disclosure records, Gramm lobbied Congress, the Federal Reserve and Treasury Department about banking and mortgage issues in 2005 and 2006.
During those years, the mortgage industry pressed Congress to roll back strong state rules that sought to stem the rise of predatory tactics used by lenders and brokers to place homeowners in high-cost mortgages.
For his work, Gramm and two other lobbyists collected $750,000 in fees from UBS’s American subsidiary. In the past year, UBS has written down more then $18 billion in exposure to subprime loans and other risky securities and is considering cutting as many as 8,000 jobs. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/924...
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Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999
Senate voted 90 yea 8 nay / http://banking.senate.gov/conf/
This proves beyond all doubt that both parties do not represent “We The People”!
http://banking.senate.gov/conf/
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999-Part 2
http://tinyurl.com/ccs348
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999-Part 1
http://tinyurl.com/dfnkuu
Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999
Bill Clinton and the Republicans did away with oversight.
President Bill Clinton signed this into law with 54 Republicans voting yes and 44 Democrats voting no./ http://tinyurl.com/5lwv6z
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_ca...
On the Conference Report (S.900 Conference Report )
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_ca...
Still, you have not addressed even one of my facts. Sad, very sad little troll.

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Yep, a year and a half ago I named my new puppy after him and called him Little Wojo!
wojar wrote:
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And that proves your fantasies?
Really?
Well yea, he's a Chihuahua with attitude.
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They call me Savage wrote:
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How do you like living in your fantasy-land?
Obama:'Trickle-down snake oil'
Obama said this during his event in New Hampshire of Romney:‘‘They have tried to sell us this trickle-down snake oil before. It didn’t work then and it won’t work now ... it’s not the right direction for America.”
**The Miami Herald’s Caputo:“Obamacare’s unpopularity blunts Obama’s attacks on Romney-Ryan Medicare plans.” From the story: Obamacare was supposed to be President Barack Obama’s legacy. But it’s looking like a political millstone.
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/20...
**Obamacare’s unpopularity blunts Obama’s attacks on Romney-Ryan Medicare plans
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/20...
August 2012? News flash. November 6, 2012, President Obama reelected.

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They why does Obummer Boy close tax loop-holes? Instead, he will raise overall tax rates of which those with an income of only $25,000 will not have tax loop-holes for things like private jets.
Democracynow org wrote:
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Obama is a corporate hack loser just like Bush,Cheney,Reagan and Clinton.
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FBI: 80% of Fraud Attributed To Insiders Not Homeowners
The increased reliance by both financial institutions and non-financial institution lenders on third party brokers has created opportunities for organized fraud groups, particularly where mortgage industry professionals are involved. Combating significant fraud in this area is a priority, because mortgage lending and the housing market have a significant overall effect on the nation's economy. All mortgage fraud programs were recently consolidated within the Financial Institution Fraud Unit, even where the targeted
lender is not a financial institution. This consolidation provides a more effective and efficient management over mortgage fraud investigations, the ability to identify and respond more rapidly to emerging mortgage fraud problems, and a better picture of the overall mortgage fraud problem./ http://www.lvamerica.com/USApdfs/FBI.pdf
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/financial/fcs...
Typical Libtardian response. Run, dodge and jump the issues. Sad, very sad little troll.
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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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I have been saying that for years. Bill Clinton signed into law four of Newt Gingrich's balanced budgets, seven of the points of the Contract with America and the Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997!!! And that snapped our economy back into the Black for Clinton's seconf term.
But the Country Clubbers kicked Newt out of power and Dennis Hastert averaged $300 Billion over budget for seven years.
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Still, you have not addressed even one of my facts. Sad, very sad little troll.
Did you read? Seems to me he not only answered them, he debunked them and proceeded to insert new FACT facts.

Do you EVER read other people's posts before replying?
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They why does Obummer Boy close tax loop-holes? Instead, he will raise overall tax rates of which those with an income of only $25,000 will not have tax loop-holes for things like private jets.
Democracynow org wrote:
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Obama's Chicago Boys
June 12, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/a3jmp3r
Barack Obama waited just three days after Hillary Clinton pulled out of the race to declare, on CNBC, "Look. I am a pro-growth, free-market guy. I love the market."
Demonstrating that this is no mere spring fling, he has appointed 37-year-old Jason Furman to head his economic policy team. Furman is one of Wal-Mart's most prominent defenders, anointing the company a "progressive success story." On the campaign trail, Obama blasted Clinton for sitting on the Wal-Mart board and pledged, "I won't shop there." For Furman, however, it's Wal-Mart's critics who are the real threat: the "efforts to get Wal-Mart to raise its wages and benefits" are creating "collateral damage" that is "way too enormous and damaging to working people and the economy more broadly for me to sit by idly and sing 'Kum-Ba-Ya' in the interests of progressive harmony.
Obama's love of markets and his desire for "change" are not inherently incompatible. "The market has gotten out of balance," he says, and it most certainly has. Many trace this profound imbalance back to the ideas of Milton Friedman, who launched a counterrevolution against the New Deal from his perch at the University of Chicago economics department. And here there are more problems, because Obama--who taught law at the University of Chicago for a decade--is thoroughly embedded in the mind-set known as the Chicago School.
http://www.thenation.com/print/article/obamas...
Sooo, did you vote for Obama? If so, you got what you voted for!!!

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Did you read? Seems to me he not only answered them, he debunked them and proceeded to insert new FACT facts.
Do you EVER read other people's posts before replying?
Yes, and yes and I did comprehend what I read. You are the one that has a hard time with reading comprehension.

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