BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an Article II "Natural Born Citizen"
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an
Article II “Natural Born Citizen”

By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
December 30, 2012

The issue of Obama’s eligibility to be President has always been whether he is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” And that issue has always been about answering two questions:(1) whether he was born in the United States and (2) whether at the time of his birth in the United States he was born to United States citizen parents, for a “natural born Citizen” is defined as a child born in a country to parents who were citizens of that country. See Mario Apuzzo, The Two Constitutional Obstacles Obama Has to Overcome to be President, at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-constit...

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Sheep always liked to go through ceilings of pharmacies and stores to rob them. GF008 Safer World 2013.
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No gun laws needed to be addressed to stop school shootings. GF008 Safer World 2013.
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American Lady wrote:
Monday, December 31, 2012
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an Article II "Natural Born Citizen"
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President,.../
Fascinating. How'd that work out for you?
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sloopy21 wrote:
Democrat Demands Obama Eligibility Hearing Now
16 December 2012 / 381 Comments
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/democrat-dem...
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rulken • a month ago −
Although Obama's birth certificate is relevant, it shouldn't be the main objective here. That "FACT", that no one can "alter", is his father wasn't ever an American citizen, and in fact he was deported from America. This should be the main spearhead of this investigation.
Snowman8wa smrstrauss • a month ago −
... our Founding fathers were ignorant simpletons that could not fathom anything until it was translated into English? Please tell me that isn't what you are trying to infer here. Regardless of the fact that the 'Law of Nations' by Vattel may have been translated as you cite, doesn't mean that the Congress didn't use Vattel's definition as the basis for "Natural Born Citizen" or the Bible for that fact, as it is wrtten in Deuteronomy 17:15:
".....Thou shalt in any wise set *him* king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:*one* from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which *is* not thy brother.."
de Vattel: Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It
www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-119.htmBO... 1, CHAPTER 19. Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It§ 211. What is our country.§ 212. Citizens and natives.§ 213. Inhabitants.
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-11...
Geneva Study Bible
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a {i} stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

(i) Who is not from your nation, lest he change true religion into idolatry, and bring you to slavery.

http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/17-15.htm

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Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Et c'est ça ton 27,000ième commentaire? Et toi, tu es une pièce de quoi? Faudrait trouver quelque chose plus dégoûtant que la merde pour qualifier ton être, espèce de loque sous-humaine. Que tu puisses qualifier de tel son président, voilà la preuve que c'est toi le traître, le Benedict Arnold du 21ième siècle. Pauvre type. Pauvre con.
Qui,C'etait mon 27,000 eme commentaire. Vous etes le trou du cul. Vous etes ce qu'on appelle un "Obamatoid". Obama ets le Traitre,le Benedict Arnold du 21e siecle. Vous etes un secourse de L'air tete.
Appel Obama un morceau de merde etait une insulte a la merde.

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Learn to Read wrote:
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Bobby is a pathetic fool
You are two faced.
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Real Americans speak english. Fuckthefrench.
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sloopy21 wrote:
Democrat Demands Obama Eligibility Hearing Now
16 December 2012 / 381 Comments
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/democrat-dem...
http://minutemennews.com/2012/12/democrat-dem...
rulken • a month ago &#8722;
Although Obama's birth certificate is relevant, it shouldn't be the main objective here. That "FACT", that no one can "alter", is his father wasn't ever an American citizen, and in fact he was deported from America. This should be the main spearhead of this investigation.
Snowman8wa smrstrauss • a month ago &#8722;
... our Founding fathers were ignorant simpletons that could not fathom anything until it was translated into English? Please tell me that isn't what you are trying to infer here. Regardless of the fact that the 'Law of Nations' by Vattel may have been translated as you cite, doesn't mean that the Congress didn't use Vattel's definition as the basis for "Natural Born Citizen" or the Bible for that fact, as it is wrtten in Deuteronomy 17:15:
".....Thou shalt in any wise set *him* king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:*one* from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which *is* not thy brother.."
de Vattel: Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It
www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-119.htmBO... 1, CHAPTER 19. Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It§ 211. What is our country.§ 212. Citizens and natives.§ 213. Inhabitants.
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-11...
Re:“Although Obama's birth certificate is relevant, it shouldn't be the main objective here.“

Good. Because it is REAL. The officials of Hawaii of both parties have confirmed the facts on it repeatedly, and the claims that it was forged come only from birther “experts”---who have no shown that they are even experts and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial.(And that is why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, the National Review or anyone in Congress.)

Re:“That "FACT", that no one can "alter", is his father wasn't ever an American citizen, and in fact he was deported from America. This should be the main spearhead of this investigation..”

Answer: What investigation, both are FACTS.

Obama’s father was not a US citizen. agreed. But, that has nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility. Why not, you may ask? Because the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It does not come from Vattel, whose word “indigines” was not even translated as “Natural Born Citizen” in any English-language translation of Vattel until ten years after the Constitution was written, but the phrase Natural Born had been used in the common law for 300 years before the Constitution was written, and by far most of the writers of the Constitution were lawyers and justices.

Re:‘Founding fathers were ignorant simpletons that could not fathom anything until it was translated into English? Please tell me that isn't what you are trying to infer here.“

Answer: No, I am saying that IF they had translated Vatttel’s word “indignes” as “Natural Born Citizen” and used it instead of the term Natural Born from the common law, THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD US---and they didn’t. And I am saying that there is overwhelming evidence that the writers of the US Constitution used the term Natural Born the way that it was used in the common law in many of their writings, meaning to refer to the place of birth, and there is not a single example in which any one of them uses it to refer to parents. And the Federalist Papers refers to the common law about twenty times, and not to Vattel at all.
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Continuing:

Re:“Regardless of the fact that the 'Law of Nations' by Vattel may have been translated as you cite..”

Answer. It is not at all likely UNLESS THEY HAD TOLD US considering that the Natural Born phrase from the common law was used commonly as discussed above, and since there is no example of the writers of the Constitution ever saying that they took the term Natural Born Citizen from Vattel. And John Jay, who used the term, was a lawyer and justice (first justice of the US Supreme Court) who was an expert in the common law, and who wrote the common law into the first constitution of the state of New York in 1777.

Re:‘.....Thou shalt in any wise set *him* king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:*one* from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which *is* not thy brother.."

Answer. In the USA, those of us who are born here, our fellow citizens, are our brethren. In any case, the term comes from the common law, as the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case, and as such conservative legal scholars as Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and senators Hatch and Graham and former senator Fred Thompson all agree. And so does nine state and federal courts (and not one ruled for the birther theory), and so does every single member of the US Electoral College (not one of whose members changed her or his vote from Obama to Romney or from Obama to McCain out of the legal theory that two citizen parents are required).

Oh, and by the way, the Minor v. Happersett case did not rule that two citizen parents are required EITHER.(And the Wong Kim Ark ruling was after Minor v. Happersett, so it is the key ruling in any case.)
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American Lady wrote:
Monday, December 31, 2012
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an Article II "Natural Born Citizen"
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an
Article II “Natural Born Citizen”
By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
December 30, 2012
The issue of Obama’s eligibility to be President has always been whether he is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” And that issue has always been about answering two questions:(1) whether he was born in the United States and (2) whether at the time of his birth in the United States he was born to United States citizen parents, for a “natural born Citizen” is defined as a child born in a country to parents who were citizens of that country. See Mario Apuzzo, The Two Constitutional Obstacles Obama Has to Overcome to be President, at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-constit...
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Answer:(1) Obama was born in the USA as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notice in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show, and (2) The US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It does not refer to the citizenship of two, or even one, of the parents of a US-born citizen.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natura...

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
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American Lady wrote:
The Shotgun: How the English lost their right to self-defense
http://girlsjustwannahaveguns.com/2013/01/the...
And how the English have 10 times fewer homicides per capita than the US. Wonder why? DOH.
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Jesus said he would be with us until the end
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Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>You are two faced.
Wrong yet again Bobby. Seems to be a lifestyle for you. How pathetic

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conservative crapola wrote:
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Real Americans speak english. Fuckthefrench.
Real Americans are free to speak the Language they want to speak.

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Learn to Read wrote:
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Wrong yet again Bobby. Seems to be a lifestyle for you. How pathetic
YOU congratulated me and then you insulted me= Two faced.
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You're no better that the illegals you rail against.

hahahahahahahaha
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How's life, knuckledragger?
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Well, my brain's in my head. Unlike you, I don't have to get up from a sitting position to decompress it.
I see your rectal lobotomy went horribly wrong again, canuck health care strikes again!

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Several points here. First of all this is from people who believe in Man-Made Global Warming but in it they admit that 2012 was the 10th warmest year on record but cooler than 15 years earlier (which was 1997).
Now, according to NASA-MSFC (the real NASA) 2011 was coldest year since 1998. MSFC has not given it 2012 report so we do not know where 2012 stands in their report by GISS admits that 2012 was the 10th Warmest in the past 15 years.
And they also admit that Earth's temperature has not gone up in the past several years (MSFC said since 2007). So it appears that they are admitting Global Warming has reversed. I know, I know, they have not come out and admitted it but by saying it has not been getting hooter and that 2012 is the 10th warmest in 15 years, the are in a round about way.
Yep, even the people who believe in mad-made Global Warming are scratching their heads. Now, when are Jacques, Poopo, Wojo, etc. going to wake the hell up and smell the coffee?
World warm last year, but not like record US heat
By SETH BORENSTEIN | Associated Press – Tue, Jan 15, 2013
WASHINGTON (AP)— While the U.S. was smashing heat marks last year, the world as a whole barely slipped into the top 10 hottest years on record, two American science agencies said Tuesday.
The global average temperature for last year would have been a record 15 years ago, an indication that what used to be unusual heat is more commonplace.
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Top NASA climate scientist James Hansen said in the past few years there has been a temporary "apparent standstill in global temperatures" that is heavily due to more frequent cooling La Ninas. What's significant, he said, is that temperatures are rising decade by decade.
Top NASA [-GISS (Columbia Iniversity)] climate scientist James Hansen [not a NASA employee] said in the past few years there has been a temporary "apparent standstill in global temperatures" that is heavily due to more frequent cooling La Ninas. What's significant, he said, is that temperatures are rising decade by decade.
http://news.yahoo.com/world-warm-last-not-rec...

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