BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#137824 Jan 19, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
But when has Obama allowed any independent document expert even look at his CoLB or BC? NEVER!!!
Now this jpeg looks more liget than anything Obama has shown and no one has debunked it yet.
http://alohareporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2...
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
“Article II does not require the President (or a candidate for President) to present his short-form birth certificate, long-form birth certificate, social security card, or any form of identification, to anyone”
CHIEF JUSTICE MORRISON C. ENGLAND OF THE U.S. DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EAST DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA
That you think you sound reasonable is breathtaking. You don’t get to examine another’s private records because of a rumor you heard on the internet. You have been “officially informed” that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is the real deal and that he was in fact born in Honolulu.

That you choose to believe rumor and gossip over official state record keepers may be a trait common to the birfoon but to the sane it’s absurd. The preferable course would be an independent investigation into the causes of birfoon folly.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#137825 Jan 19, 2013
NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, I think you should be careful calling anybody a "nutter", old gal. The Blaze, huh? More right wing BS. Can't you EVER find something that comes from a reputable source that has no particular agenda other than reporting the news? Do you wonder why there is general concern for YOUR mental health? Well, don't.
Sooooo, I hope you can get a grip on reality someday soon or else you lose your internet connection. Either way, it would truly be appreciated if you just gave up on this particular boring and idiotic game. Try another character. This one is so burnt out it's not even funny.
NO "worries" over MY internet connections ... hun ...
It'd be a BLESSING in disguise ...

IF that happened ...
Now "yours" ...
I'm not sure "you" could live without it ... ;0)

Happy Reading ...
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Sunday, January 13, 2013

THE TYRANNY OF BARACK OBAMA'S DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE: TARGETING JEWS, AARON SWARTZ, 26-YEAR-OLD INTERNET GENIUS, RSS AND REDDIT CREATOR, DEAD

Aaron Swartz, 26-year-old genius, computer prodigy, co-creator of RSS and Reddit, is dead.

Swartz committed suicide in the wake of relentless bullying and persecution/prosecution by Eric Holder's Department of Justice. Swartz was "driven to the edge" by the government's aggressive prosecution of a non-existent legal case. Swartz made public documents available to everyone -- this was his crime.“It’s like trying to put someone in jail for allegedly checking too many books out of the library.”

Put this in context. Obama's DoJ, headed by Eric Holder, refused to prosecute the Black Panthers who violently threatened voters with billy clubs and night sticks at polling places on election day. The case was dropped, despite the fact that the case "was already won." This was so gross a violation of voters' rights and the proper function of the Department of Justice that one of its best and brightest senior lawyers resigned in protest: J. Christian Adams.

Obama's Department of Justice policy is that "no voter intimidation cases will brought against a black defendant where the victim is white."

MORE HERE:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shru...

That's a powerful indictment of Obama, Holder and their seditious, ignominious, evil administration, and I believe and agree with everything.
We literally have a traitor to our country, an enemy of America and a supporter and sympathizer with its sworn, mortal enemies, holed-up in our White House, acting as our president.
It's psycho-Sci-Fi Grand Theft-Obama: America's Last Big Chief, Takin' It Down!!!
What a liar. What a cheat. What a criminal.

Posted by: Chris Wolf | Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 03:56 PM

That's what dull, dim, congenitally disgruntled Africans like Obama & Holder do when they see something so brilliant, autonomous and free as Aaron Swartz -- they kill it.
Africans? African-Americans? African-Canadians? African-Hawaiians? People of Color? Presidents of Color?
These guys are opening up the gates of Hell as their policy to wipe out all the white Christians and Jews -- the people who imagined and built everything good in this world -- by numerical Tsunami and attrition.
South Africa's savage jungle future will be ours if we let them continue to plot their black evil.

Posted by: Chris Wolf | Sunday, January 13, 2013 at 04:32 PM
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#137826 Jan 19, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
EVERY gutless coward who serves in the U.S. Congress, knows that Barry soetoro, AKA Barack Hussein Obama, is an illegitimate president.
They know because all of them received a package with the proof.
...
All have committed a gross act of treason against this country, and is responsible for Allowing this country to have one of the most the most corrrrupt Governments on earth!
The Obama Administration is certainly the most corrupt US pResidentialAdministration in US History.
This is just what you would expect from a man who has no respect for the Constitution or the rule of law including Constitutional rights.
Why is it crazy to want armed personnel to watch over our children in school when there are other schools with those same armed personnel?
The above is totally nutty. The PROOF is that Obama really was born in Hawaii, and the US Supreme Court has ruled that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

Some things that show that Obama was born in Hawaii:

1. Obama's two official birth certificates, with the state seals on them.(The official physical copy of the long-form birth certificate was handed around in the White House press room, and one reporter said that she had felt the seal and took a photo of the document. http://turningthescale.net &#8203;/?p=541)

2. The confirmation of the facts on the two birth certificates (short form and long form)----that Obama was born in Hawaii---by THREE Republican officials in Hawaii and several Democrats, and by the public Index Data file. The acceptance of the written confirmation of the facts on Obama’s birth certificate by the conservative secretary of state of Arizona.

3. The notices of Obama's birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 that were sent to the papers “Health Bureau Statistics” section by the DOH of Hawaii----and only the DOH could send those notices.(Also, the claim that the DOH could have been influenced by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)

4. The absence of a US travel document for Obama in 1961. Nor has there been an application for such a travel document found.(A child born in a foreign country would, of course, require either to be on his mother’s US passport or to receive a US visa on a foreign passport. Either of which would have had to have been done IN a US consulate in that foreign country, and the application for that document would still exist, and would have been found by the Bush Administration during the eight years in which it was in charge of the US State Department, but they didn’t.)

5. The teacher, who recalls being told of Obama's birth in Hawaii in Kapiolani Hospital in 1961 and writing home about it (about the birth to a woman named Stanley to her father, also named Stanley).

6. Obama's Kenyan grandmother said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was BORN IN HAWAII, and she said in another interview (Hartford Courant) that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter FROM HAWAII.

7. Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country, and it was rare for women to travel late in pregnancy in those days. WND has proved with a FOI Act request that Obama’s father remained in Hawaii throughout 1961, which would have meant that she would have had to have made that long, expensive and risky trip without him---and that is hardly likely at all.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#137827 Jan 19, 2013
Re: "Obama's DoJ, headed by Eric Holder, refused to prosecute the Black Panthers who violently threatened voters with billy clubs and night sticks at polling places on election day. "

That took place only during the 2008 election, not during the 2012 election, and it took place at ONE polling place of about 100,000 in the USA, and it was a polling place in a black neighborhood, which was expected to do for Obama, and did, and the people who stood outside that polling place did not identify themselves as Black Panthers and did not carry clubs. Although their standing in front of a polling place might have intimidated a few whites remember that it was an overwhelmingly black neighborhood. Since the people standing did not carry clubs and did not shout or threaten there was no evidence of intimidation---so neither Pennsylvania nor the USA (both of whom could have prosecuted) did so.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#137828 Jan 19, 2013
The above should read: "...which was expected to GO for Obama, and did...)

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#137830 Jan 19, 2013
Right2BearArms wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a liar! His LFBC SFBC are fishy, to be nice, and the Governor of Hawaii back tracked on his findings, saying he not only did not se him right after he was born in the hospital, but actually as a small child, then he said he would search all over Hawaii and find the documentation to prove King Obummers claims, then came out and said he could not find any such proof!
You know this, yet you repeat this lie over and over! NO OFFICIAL from the hospital that Obama claims publicly as his birthplace has ever come forward publicly and confirmed such a claim or shown and documentation to prove this claim as well! All King Obummer has to do is give them permission to release the "Proof", proof he says is facts, and has already himself real eased publicly!
The birth notice can be placed at any time by anyone, as well as any illegal off the streets could come to Hawaii and say they were born there with out any proof, other than the say so of a parent or the subject the self, and a SFBC would be issued, that is why King Obummers SFBC was clearly date stamped with a current date. It was not a straight scan of an original SFBC acquired at the time of Obummers birth. If he was truly born where he said he was there would have been no need to get a SFBC, at the time of his birth, or at a later date. He would have been able to show the original from the hospital or get a straight scan of the original! PERIOD! Ther are two fishy documents, one date stamped with a current date and the other lacking the Official Hawaiian state seal, and appropriate signatures, and official hospital confirmation! The birth announcement listed in the news paper gives an address that the current neighbor, one who has not moved , And has lived there befor the listed date did not EVER meet or see a multi racial couple living at that address, meet a biracial baby or child there, or ever hear of anyone by the name of Obama living there!
Continue your lies! The pathetic fact is you know they are lies, that is why four years after saying they have been proven facts you are still here!
I love that you think King obummer does not have to anything for Americans! Wow! So thats why you support him so much, because he doesnt have to do anything for America? LOL! What a pathetic brainwashed king Obummer twit you are!
You poor thing you! Your entire post is full of misinformation that’s been debunked years ago. No need to attempt to correct you because you’ve reached the point of no return. But know that the ignorant birfoon can’t hold a candle for the FBI, CIA, Secret Service or any other investigative branch in this country.

That Barack Obama would be POTUS if he were not in fact a NBC is preposterous on its face and what prevents the ignorant birfoon from understanding this simple perception will forever be a mystery I suppose.

Bottom line is you have no secrets unknown to the authorities other than your own lies and those of your imagination and that’s why Barack Obama is being sworn for a second term while you’re here still after four years spewing the same old debunked gossip and lies.
truman

Boise, ID

#137831 Jan 19, 2013
Forum carlsbad nm wrote:
Obama might just get shot with his own guns.
London bridge is falling down.
My fair lady.
Take the key and lock her up.
Ah...another well reasoned comment from what passes for 'Conservative Thought' in 2013.
It would be reassuring if it were just a few nut jobs but the majority are simply morally and mentally and spiritualy Sick.
truman

Boise, ID

#137832 Jan 19, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
You poor thing you! Your entire post is full of misinformation that’s been debunked years ago. No need to attempt to correct you because you’ve reached the point of no return. But know that the ignorant birfoon can’t hold a candle for the FBI, CIA, Secret Service or any other investigative branch in this country.
That Barack Obama would be POTUS if he were not in fact a NBC is preposterous on its face and what prevents the ignorant birfoon from understanding this simple perception will forever be a mystery I suppose.
Bottom line is you have no secrets unknown to the authorities other than your own lies and those of your imagination and that’s why Barack Obama is being sworn for a second term while you’re here still after four years spewing the same old debunked gossip and lies.
Poppo just a note to thank you for your intelligent posts.
It is disturbing and sad to see how prevalent the attitude among these Cultists is that they feel free to ignore ANY reality they dont want to accept and dismiss any Truth except sources that tell them what they desperatly WANT to believe.
brown eyes

Roanoke, VA

#137833 Jan 19, 2013
Gfarenwueht vie getz. GF008 Safer World 2013.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#137834 Jan 19, 2013
Monday, December 31, 2012
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an Article II "Natural Born Citizen"
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an
Article II “Natural Born Citizen”

By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
December 30, 2012

The issue of Obama’s eligibility to be President has always been whether he is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” And that issue has always been about answering two questions:(1) whether he was born in the United States and (2) whether at the time of his birth in the United States he was born to United States citizen parents, for a “natural born Citizen” is defined as a child born in a country to parents who were citizens of that country. See Mario Apuzzo, The Two Constitutional Obstacles Obama Has to Overcome to be President, at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-constit...

http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
brown eyes

Roanoke, VA

#137835 Jan 19, 2013
Sheep always liked to go through ceilings of pharmacies and stores to rob them. GF008 Safer World 2013.
brown eyes

Roanoke, VA

#137836 Jan 19, 2013
No gun laws needed to be addressed to stop school shootings. GF008 Safer World 2013.
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#137840 Jan 19, 2013
American Lady wrote:
Monday, December 31, 2012
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an Article II "Natural Born Citizen"
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President,.../
Fascinating. How'd that work out for you?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#137841 Jan 19, 2013
sloopy21 wrote:
Democrat Demands Obama Eligibility Hearing Now
16 December 2012 / 381 Comments
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/democrat-dem...
http://minutemennews.com/2012/12/democrat-dem...
rulken • a month ago &#8722;
Although Obama's birth certificate is relevant, it shouldn't be the main objective here. That "FACT", that no one can "alter", is his father wasn't ever an American citizen, and in fact he was deported from America. This should be the main spearhead of this investigation.
Snowman8wa smrstrauss • a month ago &#8722;
... our Founding fathers were ignorant simpletons that could not fathom anything until it was translated into English? Please tell me that isn't what you are trying to infer here. Regardless of the fact that the 'Law of Nations' by Vattel may have been translated as you cite, doesn't mean that the Congress didn't use Vattel's definition as the basis for "Natural Born Citizen" or the Bible for that fact, as it is wrtten in Deuteronomy 17:15:
".....Thou shalt in any wise set *him* king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:*one* from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which *is* not thy brother.."
de Vattel: Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It
www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-119.htmBO... 1, CHAPTER 19. Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It§ 211. What is our country.§ 212. Citizens and natives.§ 213. Inhabitants.
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-11...
Geneva Study Bible
Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a {i} stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.

(i) Who is not from your nation, lest he change true religion into idolatry, and bring you to slavery.

http://bible.cc/deuteronomy/17-15.htm

“DC Police Complaint #T14002751”

Since: Nov 08

Swift Water,NY

#137842 Jan 19, 2013
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Et c'est ça ton 27,000ième commentaire? Et toi, tu es une pièce de quoi? Faudrait trouver quelque chose plus dégoûtant que la merde pour qualifier ton être, espèce de loque sous-humaine. Que tu puisses qualifier de tel son président, voilà la preuve que c'est toi le traître, le Benedict Arnold du 21ième siècle. Pauvre type. Pauvre con.
Qui,C'etait mon 27,000 eme commentaire. Vous etes le trou du cul. Vous etes ce qu'on appelle un "Obamatoid". Obama ets le Traitre,le Benedict Arnold du 21e siecle. Vous etes un secourse de L'air tete.
Appel Obama un morceau de merde etait une insulte a la merde.

“DC Police Complaint #T14002751”

Since: Nov 08

Swift Water,NY

#137843 Jan 19, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Bobby is a pathetic fool
You are two faced.
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#137844 Jan 19, 2013
Robert Laity wrote:
<quoted text>
Real Americans speak english. Fuckthefrench.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#137845 Jan 19, 2013
sloopy21 wrote:
Democrat Demands Obama Eligibility Hearing Now
16 December 2012 / 381 Comments
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/democrat-dem...
http://minutemennews.com/2012/12/democrat-dem...
rulken • a month ago &#8722;
Although Obama's birth certificate is relevant, it shouldn't be the main objective here. That "FACT", that no one can "alter", is his father wasn't ever an American citizen, and in fact he was deported from America. This should be the main spearhead of this investigation.
Snowman8wa smrstrauss • a month ago &#8722;
... our Founding fathers were ignorant simpletons that could not fathom anything until it was translated into English? Please tell me that isn't what you are trying to infer here. Regardless of the fact that the 'Law of Nations' by Vattel may have been translated as you cite, doesn't mean that the Congress didn't use Vattel's definition as the basis for "Natural Born Citizen" or the Bible for that fact, as it is wrtten in Deuteronomy 17:15:
".....Thou shalt in any wise set *him* king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:*one* from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which *is* not thy brother.."
de Vattel: Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It
www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-119.htmBO... 1, CHAPTER 19. Of Our Native Country, and Several Things That Relate to It§ 211. What is our country.§ 212. Citizens and natives.§ 213. Inhabitants.
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-11...
Re:“Although Obama's birth certificate is relevant, it shouldn't be the main objective here.“

Good. Because it is REAL. The officials of Hawaii of both parties have confirmed the facts on it repeatedly, and the claims that it was forged come only from birther “experts”---who have no shown that they are even experts and who certainly have not shown that they are fair and impartial.(And that is why they are not believed by Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, the National Review or anyone in Congress.)

Re:“That "FACT", that no one can "alter", is his father wasn't ever an American citizen, and in fact he was deported from America. This should be the main spearhead of this investigation..”

Answer: What investigation, both are FACTS.

Obama’s father was not a US citizen. agreed. But, that has nothing to do with Obama’s eligibility. Why not, you may ask? Because the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It does not come from Vattel, whose word “indigines” was not even translated as “Natural Born Citizen” in any English-language translation of Vattel until ten years after the Constitution was written, but the phrase Natural Born had been used in the common law for 300 years before the Constitution was written, and by far most of the writers of the Constitution were lawyers and justices.

Re:‘Founding fathers were ignorant simpletons that could not fathom anything until it was translated into English? Please tell me that isn't what you are trying to infer here.“

Answer: No, I am saying that IF they had translated Vatttel’s word “indignes” as “Natural Born Citizen” and used it instead of the term Natural Born from the common law, THEY WOULD HAVE TOLD US---and they didn’t. And I am saying that there is overwhelming evidence that the writers of the US Constitution used the term Natural Born the way that it was used in the common law in many of their writings, meaning to refer to the place of birth, and there is not a single example in which any one of them uses it to refer to parents. And the Federalist Papers refers to the common law about twenty times, and not to Vattel at all.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#137846 Jan 19, 2013
Continuing:

Re:“Regardless of the fact that the 'Law of Nations' by Vattel may have been translated as you cite..”

Answer. It is not at all likely UNLESS THEY HAD TOLD US considering that the Natural Born phrase from the common law was used commonly as discussed above, and since there is no example of the writers of the Constitution ever saying that they took the term Natural Born Citizen from Vattel. And John Jay, who used the term, was a lawyer and justice (first justice of the US Supreme Court) who was an expert in the common law, and who wrote the common law into the first constitution of the state of New York in 1777.

Re:‘.....Thou shalt in any wise set *him* king over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall choose:*one* from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which *is* not thy brother.."

Answer. In the USA, those of us who are born here, our fellow citizens, are our brethren. In any case, the term comes from the common law, as the US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case, and as such conservative legal scholars as Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and senators Hatch and Graham and former senator Fred Thompson all agree. And so does nine state and federal courts (and not one ruled for the birther theory), and so does every single member of the US Electoral College (not one of whose members changed her or his vote from Obama to Romney or from Obama to McCain out of the legal theory that two citizen parents are required).

Oh, and by the way, the Minor v. Happersett case did not rule that two citizen parents are required EITHER.(And the Wong Kim Ark ruling was after Minor v. Happersett, so it is the key ruling in any case.)
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#137847 Jan 19, 2013
American Lady wrote:
Monday, December 31, 2012
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an Article II "Natural Born Citizen"
Congress Should Not Confirm Barack Obama As President, For He Is Not an
Article II “Natural Born Citizen”
By Mario Apuzzo, Esq.
December 30, 2012
The issue of Obama’s eligibility to be President has always been whether he is an Article II “natural born Citizen.” And that issue has always been about answering two questions:(1) whether he was born in the United States and (2) whether at the time of his birth in the United States he was born to United States citizen parents, for a “natural born Citizen” is defined as a child born in a country to parents who were citizens of that country. See Mario Apuzzo, The Two Constitutional Obstacles Obama Has to Overcome to be President, at http://puzo1.blogspot.com/2008/12/two-constit...
http://puzo1.blogspot.com/
Answer:(1) Obama was born in the USA as his birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notice in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 all show, and (2) The US Supreme Court ruled in the Wong Kim Ark case that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth. It does not refer to the citizenship of two, or even one, of the parents of a US-born citizen.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/3...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/natura...

http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obama...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...

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