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Jacques Ottawa

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Jan 16, 2013
 
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<quoted text>The founding fathers didn't expect people to only carry muskets. The revolution of modern machinery had already begun and the colonist where intelligent enough to know that personal firearms were more advanced in 1776 than they were in 1576,they knew that they would be more advanced in 1876 and would not have restricted inventiveness.
Thank you. I take it you agree that any citizen can legally own a tank, a jet fighter, a submarine, missiles, etc thanks to the founding fathers' foresight. Well done.
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Jan 16, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>There were no airplanes in 1776,but people can purchase airplanes. Should we restrict the public from buying cans in 2013 because there were no can openers in 1776? There wasn't radios,televisions or computers in 1776,but we don't ban them.
What a response. Maybe you should ban your brain for a while.
Jacques Ottawa

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Rogue does not know that when the 2nd amedment was drafted/enacted, there were no assault weapons and 50-cartridge magazines. Neither were there submarines, airplanes, tanks,drones or ICBMs. Therefore, it must be legal to purchase and own the aforemetioned, as they, like guns, are "arms". You betcha they are.<quoted text>
Ah, but as I have brought to Jacques attention dozens of times before, the bad guys did not have those weapons either. And to protect yourself, you have to have at least the same firepower as the bad guns have.
Oh, Jacques, the police did not have those weapons way back in 1787 either so they too should only be able to use single-shot, flint-lock pistols!!!
And one more point. Our Constitution was not written in 1776, it was 1787!!!
Unbelievable. I can't argue with child-like thinking. So the police should be as restricted arms-wise as the populace, you say? The armed forces should have no more weapons than was allowed in 1776 because the populace also cannot have them? Carry on.
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Jan 16, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey Jacques, please stay out of Wyoming, Texas and Florida.
Texas Legislation Nullifies Obama's Gun Control
Good morning,
A Texas lawmaker has introduced legislation that will punish any federal agent who attempts to enforce any gun control measures handed down from President Obama.
The punishment would be a $50,000 fine and 5 years in prison.
This is similar to the Wyoming bill, which passed.
As the article mentions, loyalists will argue the supremacy clause in defense of the feds. This argument& nbsp;is flawed for executive action, however, because the 2nd Amendment is the supreme law of the land. Texas is simply looking to enforce the supreme federal law of the land and protect the rights guaranteed by it for citizens of Texas.
Your living in a dreamworld.
It would be great for some asshat Texan to try that one and see what happens.
But it does illustrate what EVERYONE knows about 'The Gun Culture'
It doesnt have a damn thing to do with Sporting OR Home Defense.
It ALL about the sick fetid stroke fantasies of a bunch of personality disordered radical rightists and inbred rednecks who absolutely YEARN for a scenario where thy are taking pot shots at Federal Agents....PERIOD.
And I have NO doubt many of them wouldnt hesitate to incite just that situation.
But no matter.
Sensible Gun Control is an inevitabilty.
Although Im sure in the next few years some innocent folks are going to die as the Right spirals further down the toilet of Far Right Lunacy.
Because Terrorism is going to be the only alternative left for them once it actually sinks in that they will never be a National Voice for America in our lifetime.
And you can bet these Treasonous 'patriots' wont hesitate to stoop to it.
(you know the kind:all for sending our bravest and best young Americans to die in Iraq to spread Democracy then crap on it when they dont get their way at the polls.)
Especially after the mid terms when the Americans show the House Teabaggers just how much they enjoy having the Nations Security and Financial stabilty used as Leverage for Karl Rovian Cultists To ram their Facist Faggotry down everyone elses throat.
Rogue Schoolar you and your Party are going to be very soon,one more Punchline and irrlelevant Footnote on the Crap Heap of History which beleive it or not no amount of 'Conservatives' can turn back or stop.
No matter how much Fox Propaganda they post or how many links they provide to the Right Wing Nutter-Net.
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Jan 16, 2013
 
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About twenty years ago I was leaving my neighbor hoof=d in my pickup truck when I noticed a Shar Pei dragging a chain and seemed to be treating a pre-school black girl. The mother was trying to fend off the dog with a broom.
I pulled out my Ruger 10/22 and aproached the dog when he lunged at me. Using my rifle to block him he bit at the muzzle. I then heard a "click, click" followed by a "tink, tink" and then dog ran off behind a house. I looked and noticed a spent 22 casing, picked it up and put it in my pocket
The woman had run into her house and dialed 911 and shortly a police officer showed up. He asked me if I had shot the dog and I was going to say yes when the woman said that I did not.
They found the dog dead behind his masters house with no visible gun shot wound. I think my bullet went down his throat and no one heard it as he made a good silencer!
Oh, I never lie to police officers.
As Lone Ranger Rogue once more rides off into the sunset.

PS. Rogue is not racist. Nooooo. However, he did take the time to mention that the girl was black. Had she been white, would he have mentioned it?
Jacques Ottawa

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Jan 16, 2013
 
truman wrote:
<quoted text>Your living in a dreamworld.
It would be great for some asshat Texan to try that one and see what happens.
But it does illustrate what EVERYONE knows about 'The Gun Culture'
It doesnt have a damn thing to do with Sporting OR Home Defense.
It ALL about the sick fetid stroke fantasies of a bunch of personality disordered radical rightists and inbred rednecks who absolutely YEARN for a scenario where thy are taking pot shots at Federal Agents....PERIOD.
And I have NO doubt many of them wouldnt hesitate to incite just that situation.
But no matter.
Sensible Gun Control is an inevitabilty.
Although Im sure in the next few years some innocent folks are going to die as the Right spirals further down the toilet of Far Right Lunacy.
Because Terrorism is going to be the only alternative left for them once it actually sinks in that they will never be a National Voice for America in our lifetime.
And you can bet these Treasonous 'patriots' wont hesitate to stoop to it.
(you know the kind:all for sending our bravest and best young Americans to die in Iraq to spread Democracy then crap on it when they dont get their way at the polls.)
Especially after the mid terms when the Americans show the House Teabaggers just how much they enjoy having the Nations Security and Financial stabilty used as Leverage for Karl Rovian Cultists To ram their Facist Faggotry down everyone elses throat.
Rogue Schoolar you and your Party are going to be very soon,one more Punchline and irrlelevant Footnote on the Crap Heap of History which beleive it or not no amount of 'Conservatives' can turn back or stop.
No matter how much Fox Propaganda they post or how many links they provide to the Right Wing Nutter-Net.
Hear hear.

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama added another 23 executive orders. Who is trying to overrule the Constitution?
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Are executive orders illegal, unconstitutional? Any other president ever used them? Just askin'.
Well, it is a good question. Now I have not heard exactly what the executive orders are but I will wait and pass my judgement on a one to one bases.

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Well here they are. Give me a little time and I will tell you if any of them appear to be unconstitutional.

Here's the list, via the White House.(I did not engage in complication reporter-fu to get this. It's the general fact sheet.)
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/16/...

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After a quick review I do not notice any glaring unconstitutional issues. Some I think are frivolous but none would appear to be able to prevent another Sandy Hook School-type shooting.
All I can see is he is appeasing his political base, and nothing more.

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truman wrote:
<quoted text>Your living in a dreamworld.
It would be great for some asshat Texan to try that one and see what happens.
But it does illustrate what EVERYONE knows about 'The Gun Culture'
It doesnt have a damn thing to do with Sporting OR Home Defense.
It ALL about the sick fetid stroke fantasies of a bunch of personality disordered radical rightists and inbred rednecks who absolutely YEARN for a scenario where thy are taking pot shots at Federal Agents....PERIOD.
And I have NO doubt many of them wouldnt hesitate to incite just that situation.
But no matter.
Sensible Gun Control is an inevitabilty.
Although Im sure in the next few years some innocent folks are going to die as the Right spirals further down the toilet of Far Right Lunacy.
Because Terrorism is going to be the only alternative left for them once it actually sinks in that they will never be a National Voice for America in our lifetime.
And you can bet these Treasonous 'patriots' wont hesitate to stoop to it.
(you know the kind:all for sending our bravest and best young Americans to die in Iraq to spread Democracy then crap on it when they dont get their way at the polls.)
Especially after the mid terms when the Americans show the House Teabaggers just how much they enjoy having the Nations Security and Financial stabilty used as Leverage for Karl Rovian Cultists To ram their Facist Faggotry down everyone elses throat.
Rogue Schoolar you and your Party are going to be very soon,one more Punchline and irrlelevant Footnote on the Crap Heap of History which beleive it or not no amount of 'Conservatives' can turn back or stop.
No matter how much Fox Propaganda they post or how many links they provide to the Right Wing Nutter-Net.
" Sensible Gun Control", just what is that? And who decides what is sensible? And what authority do they have to enact any law that abridges our Second Amendment?
You see, "Sensible Gun Control" is like "Your Fair Share of Taxes". Your idea of what is sensible or fair, may not be constitutional.
Of is it fair that 47% of our population pays NO Federal Income Tax?

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Hey, how is gun control workin' out for Shitcago and Wash. D.C.? The blacker the city, the more violent the crime.(It is not racist, if the fat is true)

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Obama added another 23 executive orders. Who is trying to overrule the Constitution?
What about Reagan's 380 Executive Orders? Or George W. Bush's 290 Executive Orders?
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Jan 16, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
After a quick review I do not notice any glaring unconstitutional issues. Some I think are frivolous but none would appear to be able to prevent another Sandy Hook School-type shooting.
All I can see is he is appeasing his political base, and nothing more.
Rogue - this may be the most intelligent post you've ever made
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Jan 16, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey, how is gun control workin' out for Shitcago and Wash. D.C.? The blacker the city, the more violent the crime.(It is not racist, if the fat is true)
And the moment of clarity has passed

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Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey, how is gun control workin' out for Shitcago and Wash. D.C.? The blacker the city, the more violent the crime.(It is not racist, if the fat is true)
Learn to Read wrote:
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And the moment of clarity has passed
Can't contest even one point. Very lame.

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Texas v. California.
Make sure you watch John Stossel on Fox News and he will explain why Texas is booming while California is going bust.
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Jan 16, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Hey, how is gun control workin' out for Shitcago and Wash. D.C.? The blacker the city, the more violent the crime.(It is not racist, if the fat is true)

Can't contest even one point. Very lame.
So Rouge - abandon that fable about Texas punishing Federal agents for enforcing federal laws? Talk about lame
Grand Birther

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Wow, a lot Birfoonyths swirling around in their toilet bowl today.

What pathetic collection of dim-witted Birfoons we have here.
Jacques Ottawa

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Jan 16, 2013
 
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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What about Reagan's 380 Executive Orders? Or George W. Bush's 290 Executive Orders?
Good question.

Hmmm, Frank's response should be interesting to say the least. I predict he ain't gonna get any birther brethren help on this one.
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Jan 16, 2013
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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" Sensible Gun Control", just what is that? And who decides what is sensible? And what authority do they have to enact any law that abridges our Second Amendment?
You see, "Sensible Gun Control" is like "Your Fair Share of Taxes". Your idea of what is sensible or fair, may not be constitutional.
Of is it fair that 47% of our population pays NO Federal Income Tax?
Is that the 47% that voted Romney? I ask because that is exactly the percentage of votes he received. Food for thought.

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