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Jacques Ottawa

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Jan 17, 2013
 
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Saw an article yesterday about a hospital that is no longer going to deliver babies. They cited OCare as part of the problem.
Did they give a reason? Could that be because the new rules will frown on $30,000 rip-offs for a no-complication birth?

That's what a NJ friend of mine was billed for when his wife gave birth last fall. I was floored. Flabbergasted. How the hell can that be justified? Oh, she stayed one whole night in hospital. Thank god. Imagine complications and a prolongued stay.

I read "Consumer Reports" articles on health care pretty much monthly. The premiums! And then the hospital and doctor fees! Unimaginable.
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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Yes, I checked and Obama did have kids with him when he signed proposals to reduce gun violence. Four kids who wrote to him about the shooting in Newtown. I don't see anything amiss with their presence designed to bolster arms control and killings. He's not selling used cars, this is serious stuff. He's trying to avoid future Newtowns and all the others.
I see the NRA, that revolting "far rightesttest" wing organization unashamedly used the President's children for its pro-gun policies. Anyone thinking that the presidents' children, security-wise, are in the same situation as all other kids is certainly out of the loop, to put it kindly. Such famous children attract maniacs and fanatics, armed to the teeth, thanks, BTW to the NRA. What's more, their very presence also increases the danger to life and limb of all kids and adults around them. They HAVE to be protected, they are different, like it or not. Even children of movie stars and personalities are afforded bodyguard protection, making it equally important for the first family to be protected by armed agents. But the NRA, banking on the hate and ignorance of its faithful adherents, comes out with, as the WH so well puts it, "repugnant" gun-lobby video. Sold and readily bought by the faithful. Sad.
It was a play for the cameras. Wake up and see it for what it is. He did the same thing with the Healthcare bill, if I'm not mistaken. Typical politics. Photo ops and image! That's the name of the game, unfortunately.
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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You need to read what you posted again. Again, you overlook the "why". Remove the alcohol and watch the violence disappear.
Wouldn't you agree it's much eassier to remove guns. Alocohol is a physical as well as psychological addiction. It can even passed on by an alcoholic mother, I hear. Are you trying to tell me that Auns are an addiction? Are they?

again, I pose the question : Why are gun deaths in Australia, Japan,NZ, all of westen Europe, Scandinavia and Canada, plus many more, 6 to 20 times lower than in the US? With apan,it's 100+ times lower! Is it because there are fewer alcoholics and drug users in the aforementioned countries? I think not. Is it because guns are regulated? I think so.
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Mocking is childish regardless.
If you think so, and I respect that. But there are many differnet kinds of mocking. Some harmful, some harmless and even fuuny.
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Did they give a reason? Could that be because the new rules will frown on $30,000 rip-offs for a no-complication birth?
That's what a NJ friend of mine was billed for when his wife gave birth last fall. I was floored. Flabbergasted. How the hell can that be justified? Oh, she stayed one whole night in hospital. Thank god. Imagine complications and a prolongued stay.
I read "Consumer Reports" articles on health care pretty much monthly. The premiums! And then the hospital and doctor fees! Unimaginable.
It wasn't a large hospital and didn't have that many deliveries/year. That was mentioned as well as the cost replacing the two doctors that were leaving because of OCare. They were going into a more specialized field. I think the nearest place to go was like 40 miles away.
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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No, this is really happening and the Lame Stream Media will not report it. Obama Care is failing and they won't report it. This is just in one county and it is happening all over the U.S.
Want and abortion, no problem. But if you are in labor, well deliver your baby is some dark alley. Yep, there is no room for your baby at the Obama Inn!
You Liberals are sick.
Norfolk hospital chiefs aim to improve maternity services to meet rising birthrate challenge
By Adam Gretton, Health correspondent; January 14, 2013
Health chiefs said they were looking at ways to expand their maternity services after it emerged that women in labour were turned away from the Norfolk and Norwich University Hospital and Queen Elizabeth Hospital last year.
New figures show that an increase in babies being born in Norfolk is putting a strain on maternity services in the county, which forced the N&N to close its maternity ward 15 times last year and 34 women were diverted to other hospitals.
Pregnant women were told to go to hospitals up to 40 miles away to have their babies after the maternity ward was closed to new admissions.
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/norfolk_h ...
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The doctor I have had for the past four years retired. I last saw him last September and he mentioned he was thinking about it. My next planned doctor visit is February but I caught pneumonia while visiting my daughter two weeks ago. I finished my anti-biotics two days ago but I still have a cough so I asked for an early appointment and that was when I found out he had retired. He is only 52-53 but I guess he does not want to put up with the Obama BS!
Anyway, I have an appointment for tomorrow with another doc and I hope he is as good as the one I lost.
Rogue, he's filthy rich, which is why he retired. The fees he probably charged, bet he could've retired at 35. How much did he charge for a routine visit? That'll give you a clue.
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All of this atheism makes us all physically sick.
Are you well? God is not religion.
Where do see atheism in my post?
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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That is right. The Left do not like being call Nazis but when was the last time you heard of NRA members beating up people? Destroying property? Blocking businesses? But to them the Occupiers are patriots!
Defeating the NRA is Like ‘Defeating the Nazis’
Bob Schieffer compared Obama’s gun control speech to “passing civil rights legislation, as Lyndon Johnson was able to do; and before that, surely, defeating the Nazis, was a much more formidable task than taking on the gun lobby.”
Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2013/01/defeating...
My gosh. The NRA has done more harm than the "Occupiers" have done and will do in the next one million years. How many people have been shot dead thanks to the NRA's influence on lawmakers, influence used to stifle gun laws and contols, culminating in a nation that has 88 guns per 100 citizens, meaning more than 1.5 guns per adult. Occupiers? What're you talking about? Hitler reportedly never killed anyone personally. Yet...
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The two nurses I see have told me about numerous doctors who are planning on retiring b/c of OCare. They each have 30 years experience and know just about all the local docs. So, they're not just mouthing off. Doctor shortage is coming.
Exactly the same speeches we heard when medicare came out ion 1965. Bravado and meaningless. PM and his ministers were threatened. If you takle a poll on Medicare, and you can look it up, 90%, though not totally happy with it,(normal) would want to keep it. Yet, at its inception, more than half the population was against medicare.
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Wouldn't you agree it's much eassier to remove guns. Alocohol is a physical as well as psychological addiction. It can even passed on by an alcoholic mother, I hear. Are you trying to tell me that Auns are an addiction? Are they?
again, I pose the question : Why are gun deaths in Australia, Japan,NZ, all of westen Europe, Scandinavia and Canada, plus many more, 6 to 20 times lower than in the US? With apan,it's 100+ times lower! Is it because there are fewer alcoholics and drug users in the aforementioned countries? I think not. Is it because guns are regulated? I think so.
I don't think guns can be removed. No matter what law is enacted. I honestly don't think you've given the underlying causes the time and consideration they most certainly deserve.

You know my comeback on the numbers thing. I posted information that showed different results than your info and it painted an entirely new picture. So, we'll just have to disagree on that. Let's say you're the president and you want all guns banned. How would you go about it? Before anyone flies off the handle, I know no one is talking about banning guns altogether, yet.
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Jan 17, 2013
 
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During a recent password audit by a company, it was found that a (blonde) employee was using the following password:
"MickeyMinniePlutoHueyLou ieDeweyDonaldGoofySacramento "
When asked why she had such a long password, she rolled her eyes and said: "Hello! It has to be at least 8 characters long and include at least one capital."
It sort of reminds me of the woman from Portland, OR who was smoking something at three a.m. and standing on two walls when she slipped and fell between the two walls. They live among us too!
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I don't know. I think it is just another blonde joke. Someone sent it to me and I thought I'd share. No offence meant to people with blonde hair though.
It is not like the Democrat Congressman from Georgia who thought Guam would capsize if there were to many Marines on the island.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Nor the Republican candidate Tod Akin who thought women could not get pregnant if they did not want to.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
Or president, yes, it was president, not congressman or senator, president, Reagan who said that trees were the biggest polluters of them all. He said that. I hear he got it from an airline magazine. Churchill called Gaandhi "that fakhir". Yet Churchill was a great man.
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It was a play for the cameras. Wake up and see it for what it is. He did the same thing with the Healthcare bill, if I'm not mistaken. Typical politics. Photo ops and image! That's the name of the game, unfortunately.
True, but don't they all do it, him and his predecessors.

You did not comment on the NRA ad that criticized Obama for having agents guarding his kids. Do you really believe they should go around unguarded? Do you really believe that my children, your children, are as much at risk when in public than the president's kids?
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My gosh. The NRA has done more harm than the "Occupiers" have done and will do in the next one million years. How many people have been shot dead thanks to the NRA's influence on lawmakers, influence used to stifle gun laws and contols, culminating in a nation that has 88 guns per 100 citizens, meaning more than 1.5 guns per adult. Occupiers? What're you talking about? Hitler reportedly never killed anyone personally. Yet...
Where did 88 per 100 come from? What portion of those 88 are in the hands of criminals? So, you've heard the plan, what's your opinion of the proposal?
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It wasn't a large hospital and didn't have that many deliveries/year. That was mentioned as well as the cost replacing the two doctors that were leaving because of OCare. They were going into a more specialized field. I think the nearest place to go was like 40 miles away.
You wrote "That was mentioned as well as the cost replacing the two doctors ". Right. Why would the hospital bear the cost of the doctors? I thought insurance or patients paid the costs. My friend is paying out-of-pocket, the hospital pays zilch. It just receives the money is all. Incidentally, he's in hock for years and years. Not surprised that abortion is an option. FYI,I'm againast abortion except in rare, very rare cases, but am also free choice , I don't pretend to know all the answers.
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Exactly the same speeches we heard when medicare came out ion 1965. Bravado and meaningless. PM and his ministers were threatened. If you takle a poll on Medicare, and you can look it up, 90%, though not totally happy with it,(normal) would want to keep it. Yet, at its inception, more than half the population was against medicare.
Just telling you what I was told by people who work in the field. The story about the hospital and no more deliveries supports what they have said. The major problem in our healthcare was insurance companies. That's what needed fixing.
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True, but don't they all do it, him and his predecessors.
You did not comment on the NRA ad that criticized Obama for having agents guarding his kids. Do you really believe they should go around unguarded? Do you really believe that my children, your children, are as much at risk when in public than the president's kids?
C'mon man. Do you not find it the least bit hypocritical that as the president is signing new gun laws, his kids are under the protection of firearms? That's exactly what the NRA proposed! Guard our schools!
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You wrote "That was mentioned as well as the cost replacing the two doctors ". Right. Why would the hospital bear the cost of the doctors? I thought insurance or patients paid the costs. My friend is paying out-of-pocket, the hospital pays zilch. It just receives the money is all. Incidentally, he's in hock for years and years. Not surprised that abortion is an option. FYI,I'm againast abortion except in rare, very rare cases, but am also free choice , I don't pretend to know all the answers.
The hospital would have to interview applicants, train the new doctors, etc. That was the cost they were talking about. I'm not sure what you are referring to with "insurance" and "patients pay". I'm confused, you're against abortion but you're also pro choice? I don't get it.

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I just got through talking about this Yoyo who things islands, like Guam, can capsize. And like a typical Yoyo he can not understand that there are Black Conservatives who feel the same way about gun control. Is Rep. Hank Johnson calling these Black Conservatives Racists?
Yep, Ken Blackwell must me racist against Black people because not only is he a Republican, he is also a member of the NRA!!!
Oh, there are many others black members of the NRA of which some are ..... Democrats!!!! Are they racist against Blacks too?!?

Rep. Hank Johnson on NRA:‘They Still Cannot Get Over’ That Obama Is ‘Black’
By Matt Cover; January 16, 2013

CNSNews.com )- Representative Hank Johnson (D-Ga.) said that the National Rifle Association (NRA) opposed President Barack Obama's gun control plans because the group “still cannot get over” the fact that the president is “black.”
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/rep-hank-john...
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The hospital would have to interview applicants, train the new doctors, etc. That was the cost they were talking about. I'm not sure what you are referring to with "insurance" and "patients pay". I'm confused, you're against abortion but you're also pro choice? I don't get it.
Or they could go to Cuba to hire new doctors where their doctors are soooo smart they can go through medical school in just one year!!!

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