BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Affirmative Diversity

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To GB the Kentuckian and you, LRs, "esconced" is quite correct. My bad, hence my apology to GB and you and thank you for correcting me.
Does this mean that you admit that "ensconceded" is NOT a word?
BTW, you spelled it wrong again.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>No, all people born or naturalized here can't be subject to any foreign power, people who are subjects of a foreign power must be naturalized at their request.
Obama's only ipso-facto citizenship at his birth was that of the United Kingdom, since his father was a subject of the Crown, which precluded him from being "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
Only citizens of the US are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", all others here are per reciprocal treaties between the US and their country of origin.
Nice fantasy you got there Dale. No substance to it but you've obviously rehearsed

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court):“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
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Learn to Read wrote:
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Had the good fortune to meet him in person. Fascinating man
Really? Sometimes in life, we get lucky.
Affirmative Diversity

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Grand Birther wrote:
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We get it, you like little boys.
Please look up parapraxis.
Why do they use your picture for the definition?
Jacques Ottawa

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Have you looked at Rasmussen's presidential tracking poll lately. Obama has dropped 6% since his reelection!
So? He's still got 4 years and 6 days to make it go back up
Affirmative Diversity

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We get it, you like little boys.
Please look up parapraxis.
Why do they use your picture for the definition?
Jacques Ottawa

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Have you looked at Rasmussen's presidential tracking poll lately. Obama has dropped 6% since his reelection!
Am I wrong here or is that the same Rassmussen poll that predicted a Romeny win?
Grand Birther

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What the matter sweet pea? You too black to understand english, or are you a wetbaque on the run?
You probably meant to capitalize English, right?

We'll overlook your simple mistake this time.
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Affirmative Diversity wrote:
Very Interesting.
Proof that all of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Media know that Obama is a usurper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch... #!
Is the time for a Revolution on the horizon?
If I were the government, I would not worryabout puffball revolutionaries like you, haha.
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Affirmative Diversity wrote:
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I sure hope that this is a joke.
Rogue's posts usually are, except that they are not funny.

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Very Interesting.
Proof that all of Congress, the Judiciary, and the Media know that Obama is a usurper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch... #!
Is the time for a Revolution on the horizon?
Have you noticed that on most posts with Dr. Taitz, the volume is turned way down?!?
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Nice fantasy you got there Dale. No substance to it but you've obviously rehearsed
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court):“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
The USSC can't change the meaning of the 14th, as they tried to do in WKA, that requires an amendment.
The only people that are "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", are citizens. If this were not true, then the only requirement for citizenship would be to step on to US soil, the naturalization process would not exist.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The USSC can't change the meaning of the 14th, as they tried to do in WKA, that requires an amendment.
The only people that are "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", are citizens. If this were not true, then the only requirement for citizenship would be to step on to US soil, the naturalization process would not exist.
Gee - now if only anyone besides you (and Romper) believed this fable.

Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012): No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here.… The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
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<quoted text>Really? Sometimes in life, we get lucky.
Actually my sister did some design work for one of his works (Bluebeard). There is now a very nice restaurant in town by that name (owned by a good friend) they even have one of his typewriters in the bar.
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GALLUP: Americans far more concerned about economy, debt, unemployment and taxes than guns...
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The USSC can't change the meaning of the 14th, as they tried to do in WKA, that requires an amendment.
The only people that are "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", are citizens. If this were not true, then the only requirement for citizenship would be to step on to US soil, the naturalization process would not exist.
EVERYONE who is in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families are subject to the USA because that means having to obey our laws. Everyone who is in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families has to obey US laws.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>No branch has any power over the other, this would be called checks and balance.
Oooh-Wee birfoon boy just discovered checks and balances. He better report his findings to Chief Justice Roberts. It seems there are no checks or balances on birfoon stupidity.
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Learn to Read wrote:
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Nice fantasy you got there Dale. No substance to it but you've obviously rehearsed
Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court):“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”
WKA was a CITIZEN, NOT a NBC.
That judge was STUPID, just like YOU!
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Learn to Read wrote:
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Gee - now if only anyone besides you (and Romper) believed this fable.
Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012): No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here.… The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”
by the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which the 14th was built from, no person which is subject to a foreign power will acquire a US citizenship, they are not eligible to be subject to the jurisdiction, thereof.

Gray attempts to obfuscate the meaning of subject to the jurisdiction thereof using dicta:
The real object of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, in qualifying the words,All persons born in the United States by the addition and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, would appear to have been to exclude, by the fewest and fittest words (besides children of members of the Indian tribes, standing in a peculiar relation to the National Government, unknown to the common law), the two classes of cases children born of alien enemies in hostile occupation and children of diplomatic representatives of a foreign State

Not only was Gray not sure of what he was stating, he actually was stating the process that was used by some states prior to the Civil Rights Act of 1866. The Act plainly stated who would be citizens, plus it was the first national law dealing with citizenship.
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That any alien who shal have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof,. Naturaliza

Yeah, right, the First Congress did not understand jurisdiction of the United States.

LOL

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