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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#135820 Jan 7, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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Well now, I suppose we are learning a little something after all. I suppose from now on you’ll not compare the government’s finances to how you run your home as so many wing nuts are oft prone to do.
What kills me is that wingnuts always use that bogus analogy, but don't see the contradiction when they make a mortgage payment.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#135821 Jan 7, 2013
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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Wrong.
As far back as in 1798, The United State Supreme Court in United States v. Worrall, 2 US 384, 394-395 (1798) recognized that our jurisprudence was based on English common law:
"When the American colonies were first settled by our ancestors, it was held, as well by the settlers, as by the judges and lawyers of England, that they brought hither, as a birth-right and inheritance, so much of the COMMON LAW, as was applicable to their local situation, and change of circumstances. But each colony judged for itself, what parts of the COMMON LAW were applicable to its new condition...."
Similarly, the court in Wheaton v. Peters , 33 US 591, 658-659 (1834)observed:
It is insisted, that our ancestors, when they migrated to this country, brought with them the English common law, as a part of their heritage. That this was the case, to a limited extent, is admitted. No one will contend, that the common law, as it existed in England, has ever been in force in all its provisions, in any state in this union. It was adopted, so far only as its principles were suited to the condition of the colonies: and from this circumstance we see, what is common law in one state, is not so considered in another. The judicial decisions, the usages and customs of the respective states, must determine, how far the common law has been introduced and sanctioned in each.
The court in Duncan v. Louisiana, 391 US 145 , 150 ,fn 14.(1968)noted our common law heritage in criminal proceedings:
The recent cases, on the other hand, have proceeded upon the valid assumption that state criminal processes are not imaginary and theoretical schemes but actual systems bearing virtually every characteristic of the common-law system that has been developing contemporaneously in England and in this country. The question thus is whether given this kind of system a particular procedure is fundamental—whether, that is, a procedure is necessary to an Anglo-American regime of ordered liberty.
The court in Smith v. Alabama, 124 U. S. 465, 478 (1888) stated in clear and concise language the common law's influence on the constitution:
"The interpretation of the Constitution of the United States is necessarily influenced by the fact that its provisions are framed in the language of the English common law, and are to be read in the light of its history."
Finally, as recent as 2000, the court in Carter v. United States, 530 US 255, 266 (2000) stated:
We have not hesitated to turn to the COMMON LAW for guidance when the relevant statutory text does contain a term with an established meaning at common law.
Rouge will have no coherent answer, but he'll forget what you said and repost his claptrap in a few weeks.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#135822 Jan 7, 2013
wojar wrote:
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What kills me is that wingnuts always use that bogus analogy, but don't see the contradiction when they make a mortgage payment.
It must not have worked that time. Please try again. LOL

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#135823 Jan 7, 2013
For the second time with in the past few months a British MUSLIM mother beat her small child to death because he "failed to memorize Qur’an passages"! Hw nice!!!

Woman jailed in Britain for beating son to death after he failed to memorize Qur’an passages
By The Associated Press | Associated Press

LONDON - A British judge on Monday sentenced a woman he called a "devoted and loving mother" to at least 17 years in prison for beating her son to death after he failed to memorize passages from the Qur’an.
A jury at Cardiff Crown Court in Wales convicted 33-year-old Sara Ege last month of murdering 7-year-old Yaseen and burning his body to destroy the evidence.
Judge Wyn Williams said Ege beat Yaseen repeatedly with a stick over several months, causing internal injuries.
He said that, on the day he died in 2010, Yaseen had been kept home from school to memorize verses from the Muslim holy book, and that his failure "was the trigger for the beating" that killed him.
The judge agreed with defence arguments about India-born Ege's state of mind, saying she was "a devoted and loving mother" who suffered from depression and had been a victim of domestic violence.
Still, he said, she subjected her son to "prolonged cruelty."
Ege admitted killing her son in a confession taped by police, but later retracted it and blamed her husband, Yousef. He was tried and acquitted on a charge of failing to prevent his son's death.
Ege sobbed as the judge passed sentence. Williams said the 2 1/2 years she had spent in secure psychiatric units since her arrest would count toward her 17-year minimum sentence.
http://news.yahoo.com/woman-jailed-britain-be...

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#135824 Jan 7, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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Because your Obama is purely a figment of your imagination Frank and the majority of the electorate were not familiar with him and they never will be. The electorate in turn had no choice but to vote for the Obama they knew who in no way bears a resemblance to your imaginary one.
Well said, Poppo. By the way, on election night 2008,the first time Obama was elected, the Fox News gang were wringing their hands, trying to figure out how Obama could have possibly won. Brit Hume made some very revealing remarks. He said:

"Well, when people listen to us here at Fox News talk about Obama...I mean..exit polling indicates that people who got their information about Obama from Fox News, they had a generally negative view of him. But people who...voters who just watched Obama and listened to him for themeselves, listened to his speeches, seem to have a more positive view of him"

That says it all.

Since: Jan 13

Largo, FL

#135825 Jan 7, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
For the second time with in the past few months a British MUSLIM mother beat her small child to death because he "failed to memorize Qur’an passages"! Hw nice!!!
Woman jailed in Britain for beating son to death after he failed to memorize Qur’an passages
By The Associated Press | Associated Press
LONDON - A British judge on Monday sentenced a woman he called a "devoted and loving mother" to at least 17 years in prison for beating her son to death after he failed to memorize passages from the Qur’an.
A jury at Cardiff Crown Court in Wales convicted 33-year-old Sara Ege last month of murdering 7-year-old Yaseen and burning his body to destroy the evidence.
Judge Wyn Williams said Ege beat Yaseen repeatedly with a stick over several months, causing internal injuries.
He said that, on the day he died in 2010, Yaseen had been kept home from school to memorize verses from the Muslim holy book, and that his failure "was the trigger for the beating" that killed him.
The judge agreed with defence arguments about India-born Ege's state of mind, saying she was "a devoted and loving mother" who suffered from depression and had been a victim of domestic violence.
Still, he said, she subjected her son to "prolonged cruelty."
Ege admitted killing her son in a confession taped by police, but later retracted it and blamed her husband, Yousef. He was tried and acquitted on a charge of failing to prevent his son's death.
Ege sobbed as the judge passed sentence. Williams said the 2 1/2 years she had spent in secure psychiatric units since her arrest would count toward her 17-year minimum sentence.
http://news.yahoo.com/woman-jailed-britain-be...
And many non-Muslim mothers murder their children. What is your point?

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#135826 Jan 7, 2013
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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This one November 4, from the famed Kentuckian. Try as he may, though, he lost by a nose to Rogue when it came to wrong predictions, ANY predictions :
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Only 3 more days until Obama gets his well deserved pink slip into obscurity, and an asterisk next to his name to denote that he was fraudulent pResident.
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Wisconsin Women Overflow Romney Rally
Despite the frosty temperatures, over 1500 people who could not get in attended the “overflow rally” outside the event.
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Former Virginia Governor Wilder Abandons Obama
Ain't he Black?
Why yes he is!
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Colorado GOP: Base Ready to Rock Tuesday
Lets roll!
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Likely Voter Poll: Romney Ahead in Deep Blue Minnesota
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
National Dance for Obama Day Draws 12 People
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
30,000+ Rally for Romney in Pennsylvania
It is on!
Romney/Ryan 2012!
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Freudian Slip: Candy Crowley Calls Him 'President Romney'
Nah, she nailed it!
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Aw, so sad.
2012: Thrill Is Gone for Dems
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Come to Papa.
Poll: Romney Up 1 in Michigan
Vote Romney for Victory wrote:
Romney Garners Obama's Military Endorsements Times 100
I could go on and on but as you can see GB was absolutely salivating as he had positively convinced himself of easy Romney win. Of course experience has taught us that when GB gets this ecstatic a big birfoon loss for is generally coming down the pike; and I use the word “generally” very loosely.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#135827 Jan 7, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
For the second time with in the past few months a British MUSLIM mother beat her small child to death because he "failed to memorize Qur’an passages"! Hw nice!!!
Woman jailed in Britain for beating son to death after he failed to memorize Qur’an passages
By The Associated Press | Associated Press
LONDON - A British judge on Monday sentenced a woman he called a "devoted and loving mother" to at least 17 years in prison for beating her son to death after he failed to memorize passages from the Qur’an.
A jury at Cardiff Crown Court in Wales convicted 33-year-old Sara Ege last month of murdering 7-year-old Yaseen and burning his body to destroy the evidence.
Judge Wyn Williams said Ege beat Yaseen repeatedly with a stick over several months, causing internal injuries.
He said that, on the day he died in 2010, Yaseen had been kept home from school to memorize verses from the Muslim holy book, and that his failure "was the trigger for the beating" that killed him.
The judge agreed with defence arguments about India-born Ege's state of mind, saying she was "a devoted and loving mother" who suffered from depression and had been a victim of domestic violence.
Still, he said, she subjected her son to "prolonged cruelty."
Ege admitted killing her son in a confession taped by police, but later retracted it and blamed her husband, Yousef. He was tried and acquitted on a charge of failing to prevent his son's death.
Ege sobbed as the judge passed sentence. Williams said the 2 1/2 years she had spent in secure psychiatric units since her arrest would count toward her 17-year minimum sentence.
http://news.yahoo.com/woman-jailed-britain-be...
What the Muslim mother did to her child is cruel, uncivilized and therefore unacceptable.(In 2 or 3 weeks, you'll be saying I approved her action). But why do you have to go to London UK to give us a sample of Muslim infamy? Do you think that the Muslim mother is worse than the one who drowned her three children by having her car roll into the water with them in it? Do you want a list of OUR murderous parents who, incidentally, are not Muslim at all? What about those 20 children killed in Newtown? The kids in Columbine? Any Muslims in there? Remember the glass house we "pious christians" live in, Rogue.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#135828 Jan 7, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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I could go on and on but as you can see GB was absolutely salivating as he had positively convinced himself of easy Romney win. Of course experience has taught us that when GB gets this ecstatic a big birfoon loss for is generally coming down the pike; and I use the word “generally” very loosely.
Looks like a deah heat between GB Kentucky and Rogue. Hmm, should those two not have gone in to meteorology as a career?

But, Poppo,to be fair, don't forget that Obama cheated. The gifts, speciallty those free condoms that tipped the election for him. Mostly old retired folks who were grateful to have them as old folks nowadays can be pretty frisky lol.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#135830 Jan 7, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
The Government's finances? There's no such thing. The people provide the Government with money. So, I'll compare and complain if I choose to. You really don't need to worry how I run my home.
So when your boss pays you for services rendered your money is still his? Guess you best hurry up and spend it.

Since: Oct 09

Moreno Valley, CA

#135831 Jan 7, 2013
Calm Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said, Poppo. By the way, on election night 2008,the first time Obama was elected, the Fox News gang were wringing their hands, trying to figure out how Obama could have possibly won. Brit Hume made some very revealing remarks. He said:
"Well, when people listen to us here at Fox News talk about Obama...I mean..exit polling indicates that people who got their information about Obama from Fox News, they had a generally negative view of him. But people who...voters who just watched Obama and listened to him for themeselves, listened to his speeches, seem to have a more positive view of him"
That says it all.
Even Fox would blush at some of the crap Frankie makes up about Obama. Franks delusionary characteristics are typical. He thinks everyone else is irrational.
Affirmative Diversity

Louisville, KY

#135833 Jan 7, 2013
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that how Fox gets you to vote Republican Mr. Liars? I’m sure you have a vivid picture of old granny swiping her food stamp card at strip clubs and downloading X-rated video. Can’t wait to strip her of that card can you Mr. Liars?
Do you think that I am a racist, Poopoo stain?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#135834 Jan 7, 2013
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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What the Muslim mother did to her child is cruel, uncivilized and therefore unacceptable.(In 2 or 3 weeks, you'll be saying I approved her action). But why do you have to go to London UK to give us a sample of Muslim infamy? Do you think that the Muslim mother is worse than the one who drowned her three children by having her car roll into the water with them in it? Do you want a list of OUR murderous parents who, incidentally, are not Muslim at all? What about those 20 children killed in Newtown? The kids in Columbine? Any Muslims in there? Remember the glass house we "pious christians" live in, Rogue.
jacqie, do you practice being an azzhole or does it just come naturally? I'm guessing the latter. Arrogance is very ugly. I haven't heard of one story about a child being beaten to death for not learning passages from the Bible. Islam need professional mental help.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#135835 Jan 7, 2013
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF WEST VIRGINIA
Teresa L. Deppner, Clerk
Ted Philyaw, Chief Probation Officer
The Pledge of Allegiance and Our Flag of the United States

Their History and Meaning

Pledge of Allegiance
I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for all.
http://www.wvsd.uscourts.gov/outreach/Pledge....

LAW of The LAND ...

This Land Is Your Land

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The Pledge of Allegiance
[The Youth's Companion, 1892]
The Pledge of Allegiance was written in August 1892 by the socialist minister Francis Bellamy (1855-1931). It was originally published in The Youth's Companion on September 8, 1892. Bellamy had hoped that the pledge would be used by citizens in any country.

Shortly thereafter, the pledge was begun with the right hand over the heart, and after reciting "to the Flag," the arm was extended toward the Flag, palm-down.

In World War II, the salute too much resembled the Nazi salute, so it was changed to keep the right hand over the heart throughout.
http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm
American Lady

Danville, KY

#135836 Jan 7, 2013
Grand Birther wrote:
In Kentucky, Freedumb means you can poison other people wherever and however you want.
YEE HAW
Wanna TRY me ...???
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#135837 Jan 7, 2013
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
What the Muslim mother did to her child is cruel, uncivilized and therefore unacceptable.(In 2 or 3 weeks, you'll be saying I approved her action). But why do you have to go to London UK to give us a sample of Muslim infamy? Do you think that the Muslim mother is worse than the one who drowned her three children by having her car roll into the water with them in it? Do you want a list of OUR murderous parents who, incidentally, are not Muslim at all? What about those 20 children killed in Newtown? The kids in Columbine? Any Muslims in there? Remember the glass house we "pious christians" live in, Rogue.
You "glassed" over that nicely. Typical. I haven't heard of one child being beaten to death for not learning passages from the Bible. Being an azz comes naturally to you, doesn't it?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#135838 Jan 7, 2013
Poppo wrote:
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Thus far no response from AL as like most birfoon’s she assumes Obama must have been born on the moon or some such place. Yet when her fantasy is exposed for what it is no response. Obviously way more info than she even believed existed so she’ll just ignore it and stick to her fantacy.
Don Fredrick GeorgiaVoter2014 - 4 hours ago

Another gay-themed poem written by Obama surfaced. In the poem, published in Obama’s 1978 Punahou School literary magazine, he writes:“Seeking a hiding place, the night seals us together. A transient spark lights his face, and in my honor, He pulls out forgotten dignity from under his flaking coat.”(Whether the poem was written by Obama or his communist mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, is not know. It is suspected that Davis wrote several of Obama’s school assignments. Even before his relationship with the pornographer Davis, Obama had encounters with sexually perverted individuals. While living in Indonesia, Obama was often under the care of a so-called male nanny named Turdi, who often dressed as a woman and went by the name of Evie.)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/...

Barack H Obama The Unauthorized Biography - Readable
http://www.calameo.com/books/0003653902d2d64a...
Learn to Read

Indianapolis, IN

#135839 Jan 7, 2013
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>jacqie, do you practice being an azzhole or does it just come naturally? I'm guessing the latter. Arrogance is very ugly. I haven't heard of one story about a child being beaten to death for not learning passages from the Bible.
No, but there have been too many instances of "Christian" parents allowing their children to suffer and die rather than seek medical care. But of course death at the hands of your parents' faith is only evidence of an evil religion if your parents practice Islam.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#135840 Jan 7, 2013
Calm Liberal wrote:
<quoted text>
Well said, Poppo. By the way, on election night 2008,the first time Obama was elected, the Fox News gang were wringing their hands, trying to figure out how Obama could have possibly won. Brit Hume made some very revealing remarks. He said:
"Well, when people listen to us here at Fox News talk about Obama...I mean..exit polling indicates that people who got their information about Obama from Fox News, they had a generally negative view of him. But people who...voters who just watched Obama and listened to him for themeselves, listened to his speeches, seem to have a more positive view of him"
That says it all.
Sorry Tootzie, You listed no leak and a Google search turn up nothing so it is safe to assume your quote is made up.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#135841 Jan 7, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
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No, but there have been too many instances of "Christian" parents allowing their children to suffer and die rather than seek medical care. But of course death at the hands of your parents' faith is only evidence of an evil religion if your parents practice Islam.
Yes, there are sad cases like that among Christians but compared to Muslims, Christians do not come close.
Just go to any Islamic country and even pretend you are gay, who will be stoned to death before the sun sets!

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