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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#133588 Dec 16, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Last time I point this out to you. Europe, from a cultural point of view, is different from North America. But, from a societal point of view, NOT. They have as much criminality as we do, as they are no better or worse than we are. But, when someone gets royally pissed off with his spouse, or employer, or colleages, or wants to get even with his workplace or old school, and not having an easy shotgun or handgun at the ready,he can less spontaneously start shooting and killing. I've told you and will repeat, the rate of gun killings in Europe is 6 to 20 times lower than the U.S. Societal? I think not.
We've had 7 murders in Ottawa this year, and only 2 were by guns, the other 5 by other means. I have to wonder how many more killings we'd have had were guns as easy to obtain as in the U.S. Oh, and btw, the two gun killings were the result of gang killings. As I said, those thugs will always find a way to get their hands on guns, but they they rarely kill innocent human beings, thankfully killing each other instead. Most shootings are done within families or people who know each other, as Loose said. Darn it, not necessary to ban guns. Ban hand guns and assault weapons yes. Hunting rifles of course are fine, but withing limits, and not just presentation of a driver's license and 48-hour cooling period. Get the man/woman's full I.D., occupation or job, and reason for purchase of rifle. Then do a police and state health check.
(2009 UCR)
Land Mass:
Europe - 10,180,000 sq/km
USA - 9,826, 675 sq/km

Population:
Europe - 836,398,000
USA - 309,406,000

Murder Rate:
Europe - 4.83 per 100K
USA - 4.58 per 100K

Gun Ownership:
Europe - 12,000 per 100K
USA - 90,000 per 100K

So, Europe doesn't have near the guns the U.S. has yet Europe has a higher murder rate! Hmmm. Apples to apples presents a different story doesn't it?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#133589 Dec 16, 2012
Oh, first Europe required firearms to be registered. This information was later used to take the guns away from the owners. Then they had to ban swords! Actually, they even considered banning knives and pint bottles!!! Turns out a pint bottle was a weapon of choice for many.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#133590 Dec 16, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
But, as LRS wrote, you're not answering the question. Er, I still have not figured wha the question is that he is referring to.
AL's question was simple and direct yet none of you seem capable of answering it. Don't you think we're onto your stupid little games of deflection? Like I said, you flappers avoid all questions. Oh, I forgot, hypothetical questions are out of your range of intelligence. The question is only a few pages back, easy to find. Easy to remember and answer also.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#133591 Dec 16, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
When did I defend Clinton or claim that she shouldn't testify?
Sorry Birfoon - I'm not sure why so many of your fantasies revolve around me and things I never said so I'm afraid I can't help you (unless laughter directed at you is still the best medicine)
I doubted if you even knew who she was. Lying admin, lying president!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#133592 Dec 16, 2012
LMAO at you flappers. What a group of ignorant peeps. You folks are not in touch with reality at all. Go ahead and prop up the usurper. He certainly needs it! Later girls! LMAO!!!
Jacques Ottawa

Vaughan, Canada

#133593 Dec 16, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
(2009 UCR)
Land Mass:
Europe - 10,180,000 sq/km
USA - 9,826, 675 sq/km
Population:
Europe - 836,398,000
USA - 309,406,000
Murder Rate:
Europe - 4.83 per 100K
USA - 4.58 per 100K
Gun Ownership:
Europe - 12,000 per 100K
USA - 90,000 per 100K
So, Europe doesn't have near the guns the U.S. has yet Europe has a higher murder rate! Hmmm. Apples to apples presents a different story doesn't it?
Where'd you get those numbers? Here's an interesting link :

en.wikipedia.org/.../List_of_countries_by_int...

Your figures probably include East Europe, which has a per 100,000 population rare of 6.4 homicides.'Fraid Eastern Europe is that high simply because it is ...Eastern Europe, where suddenly, since 1989, society has changes 180 degrees, more poor than before and therefore more crime. So many guns have flooded the black martket since the Soviets and local militias have disarmed. Otherwise, you get these figures :

Western Europe : 1.0 per 100k
Australia : 1.0 per 100K
Canada : 1.6 PER 100K
Japan : 0.3 !! per 100K

USA : 4.2 per 100K.

Now, that is guns AND other instruments used to kill.

Guns alone, US kills 6 to 20 times more people with guns than west Europeans and many other nations and the reason is simple : rampant ownership of guns. That why the difference between4.2 and 1.0 and even more so for Japan.
Jacques Ottawa

Vaughan, Canada

#133594 Dec 16, 2012
LRS wrote:
Oh, first Europe required firearms to be registered. This information was later used to take the guns away from the owners. Then they had to ban swords! Actually, they even considered banning knives and pint bottles!!! Turns out a pint bottle was a weapon of choice for many.
Is that true? I have never seen anything that even remotely comfirms what you just wrote. I will not embarrass you by asking for dependable references.

What it if was true? What 's the result? 1 murder against 4.2 for the US. Worth it, no? Just the same, it never happened.
Jacques Ottawa

Vaughan, Canada

#133595 Dec 16, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
AL's question was simple and direct yet none of you seem capable of answering it. Don't you think we're onto your stupid little games of deflection? Like I said, you flappers avoid all questions. Oh, I forgot, hypothetical questions are out of your range of intelligence. The question is only a few pages back, easy to find. Easy to remember and answer also.
No, no, no more childish tricks, and avoidance of embarrassment like "The question is only a few pages back, easy to find. Easy to remember and answer also."

Who are you kidding? You're dying to win an argument, any argument and if it was so easy to find the "make-believe" question, you would shove it down our throats in 2 seconds flat. There is no question, you know it, wojar knows it,I know it, everyone knows it. Not the first time nor the last you tell us to find something non-existent instead of admitting you invented again. There np question, just the fact that AL wrote Americans had to have guns to protect their children from bears. Wow.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#133596 Dec 16, 2012
Prosperity Obama Style:
Patton: Right-to-Work in Michigan: 24 down, 26 to go
By Doug Patton December 13, 2012 6:55 am
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Back in the late 1970s, when the now-legendary Lee Iacocca took the reins at Chrysler, he was reputed to have told the union bosses,“Look, boys, I’ve got a shotgun to your head. I’ve got thousands of jobs at seventeen bucks an hour. I’ve got no jobs at twenty.”
And that’s when most Americans would have loved to be making $17 an hour.
Iacocca, of course, had put his money where his mouth was, taking over the ailing corporation for a salary of $1 per year and slashing management pay, while borrowing what today seems like a paltry sum of a couple of billion dollars. By 1983, the company had paid it all back, returning a tidy profit of $350 million to the taxpayer coffers.
Fast forward to 2012. Barack Obama has bailed out Chrysler and General Motors — or, more accurately, bailed out the United Auto Workers (UAW) by handing them ownership of the bonds held by the rightful investors — to the tune of somewhere between $80 billion and $100 billion. Both companies are still struggling, although to hear Obama tell the tale, they are a great American success story, thanks to his largess with our money.
Obama, who has not stopped campaigning since first declaring his candidacy five years ago (in all fairness, it is all the man knows how to do), just happened to be on the road again — in Detroit, of all places — on the very day the legislature was passing and Gov. Rick Snyder was signing historic legislation to make Michigan a right-to-work state. And a month after Obama himself had won the state handily in his own re-election bid, with massive help from the UAW, no less. Who could ever have imagined?
For Michiganders, this was do-or-die time. Detroit, a once-mighty industrial city of 1.8 million people in its heyday, has been reduced to a shell of its former self, gasping along with a population of 800,000, many of them poor and unemployed. Entire sections of the city resemble the worst of parts of the Bronx or bombed-out Beirut in the 1970s. Motor City, as it was once known, is now a ghetto where boarded-up homes can be purchased for $1,000 as entire neighborhoods sit abandoned.
Good jobs, building American cars, went elsewhere. Ford started building some of its products in Mexico. GM increasingly utilized Canadian labor across the northern border. And Lee Iacocca’s beloved Chrysler got passed around from one foreign owner to another (currently the Italian company Fiat).
Meanwhile, German, Japanese and Korean automakers began setting up shop in business-friendly states, paying good wages, with good benefits, for building good cars in places like Indiana, Tennessee and South Carolina, states that do not require a worker to pay dues to a union to get a job. But in Michigan, the UAW continued along as if it were still the 1950s and they were the only people who could build automobiles.
In its post-war glory years, the UAW could dictate contract terms to the management of the “Big Three.”Detroit was Motor City. Not anymore. Despite the nostalgic TV commercials advertising Chrysler (“imported from Detroit”), Motor City has become a social and fiscal basket case, thanks largely to union greed.
It is long past time to break the stranglehold labor unions have had on the public and private sectors. Despite the re-election of Barack Obama, the tide is turning against union thuggery. attempt to emerge more popular than ever. And now Gov. Snyder and the Republican legislature in Michigan have done the unimaginable: they have turned Michigan into a right-to-work state.
Twenty-four down, 26 to go.
Grand Birther

Cleveland, OH

#133597 Dec 16, 2012
Birfoon reasoning: Traffic lights do not prevent every single traffic death. We should not have traffic lights.

Laws against child abuse do not prevent every case of child abuse. We should not have laws against child abuse.

People are still killed by guns despite laws against doing so.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#133598 Dec 16, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>UR gonna carry an assault weapon everywhere you go to protect your child from potential attacking bears hiding behind every tree? Get real.
WHAT part of "Theoretical Question" did "you" NOT understand :)...
American Lady

Danville, KY

#133599 Dec 16, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Huh? I answer a post from BirfoonLady about bears and Mr.Birfoon wonders why it doesn't address his pointless rant? LOL.
A theoretical question ... looks to possibles rather than probables.

Google IT!
American Lady

Danville, KY

#133600 Dec 16, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Birfoon reasoning: Traffic lights do not prevent every single traffic death. We should not have traffic lights.
Laws against child abuse do not prevent every case of child abuse. We should not have laws against child abuse.
People are still killed by guns despite laws against doing so.
If they followed God's Rule ... or IF he had been raised & understood God's moral rule ...do you think he would have done iT???

Thou shall not kill.

The Ten Commandment Boogie


Children
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#133601 Dec 16, 2012
A Debt that Will Live In Infamy: America's Ticking Debt Bomb
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Since: May 10

Location hidden

#133602 Dec 16, 2012
Now Hillary can claim she does not remember .... with out lying about it!

Hillary Clinton Faints, Has Concussion, Will Not Tesify On Benghazi Attack On Dec 20

Fox News Channel reported earlier that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton fainted and sustained a concussion this week while suffering from a stomach virus. James Rosen just reported that Clinton will be unable to testify on December 20 about Benghazi before the House Foreign Affairs Committee and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee due to her concussion.

Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2012/12/hillary-c...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#133603 Dec 16, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Birfoon reasoning: Traffic lights do not prevent every single traffic death. We should not have traffic lights.
Laws against child abuse do not prevent every case of child abuse. We should not have laws against child abuse.
People are still killed by guns despite laws against doing so.
When did the shooting stop at Sandy Hook elementary school? When more guns showed up. The perp apparently shot himself when the cops showed up.
Just think, what if just one of those teachers had a concealed carry permit!!!
Guns save lives. That is why cops carry them!
Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#133604 Dec 16, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>I doubted if you even knew who she was. Lying admin, lying president!
Pathetic ignorant Birfoon
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#133605 Dec 16, 2012
Fed Up wrote:
The person who wrote this is a college student. Perhaps there is hope for us after all.
DIVORCE AGREEMENT
THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY WELL PUT AND I CAN HARDLY BELIEVE IT'S BY A YOUNG PERSON, A STUDENT!!! WHATEVER HE RUNS FOR, I'LL VOTE FOR HIM.
Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al: We have stuck together since the late 1950's for the sake of the kids, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has clearly run its course.
Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right for us all, so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.
Here is a our separation agreement:
--Our two groups can equitably divide up the country by landmass each taking a similar portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.
--We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them.
--You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU.
--Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military.
--We'll take the nasty, smelly oil industry and the coal mines, and you can go with wind, solar and biodiesel.
--You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore and Rosie O'Donnell. You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them.
--We'll keep capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart and Wall Street.
--You can have your beloved lifelong welfare dwellers, food stamps, homeless, homeboys, hippies, druggies and illegal aliens.
--We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks.
--We'll keep Bill O?Reilly, and Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .
--You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us.
--You can have the peaceniks and war protesters. When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.
--We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values.
--You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, political correctness and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N. But we will no longer be paying the bill.
--We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volt and Leaf you can find.
--You can give everyone healthcare if you can find any practicing doctors.
--We'll keep "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" and "The National Anthem."
--I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute "Imagine", "I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing", "K** Ba Ya" or "We Are the World".
--We'll practice trickle-down economics and you can continue to give trickle up poverty your best shot.
--Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.
Would you agree to this? If so, please pass it along to other like-minded liberal and conservative patriots and if you do not agree, just hit delete. In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you might think about which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.
Sincerely,
John J. Wall
"In the spirit of friendly parting" .... I believe you will create exactly the same cultural-social conditions you are trying to run away from. You will have the same problems, in fact, you will have more of them, faster. Where do you think they came from. See above...
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#133606 Dec 16, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
When did the shooting stop at Sandy Hook elementary school? When more guns showed up. The perp apparently shot himself when the cops showed up.
Just think, what if just one of those teachers had a concealed carry permit!!!
Guns save lives. That is why cops carry them!
Idiot... he knew he was going to shoot himself.. He was not intimidated by police.. He was happy they showed up.. Like all gun nuts you don't think straight. All you want is publicity.
Your penises are small or deformed and you think a gun will make you normal.

""Guns save lives"". You are a complete fool, idiot, and psychopath.. if you think that.

How did all those innocent children die.??

Hopefully, you will be in the next theatre or school where one of your type, blows your head off.
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#133607 Dec 16, 2012
Bruser wrote:
Prosperity Obama Style:
Patton: Right-to-Work in Michigan: 24 down, 26 to go
By Doug Patton December 13, 2012 6:55 am
Print Tell a Friend
Back in the late 1970s, when the now-legendary Lee Iacocca took the reins at Chrysler, he was reputed to have told the union bosses,“Look, boys, I’ve got a shotgun to your head. I’ve got thousands of jobs at seventeen bucks an hour. I’ve got no jobs at twenty.”
.
Fast forward to 2012. Barack Obama has bailed out Chrysler and General Motors — or, more accurately, bailed out the United Auto Workers (UAW) by handing them ownership of the bonds held by the rightful investors — to the tune of somewhere between $80 billion and $100 billion. Both companies are still struggling, although to hear Obama tell the tale, they are a great American success story, thanks to his largess with our money.
Obama, who has not stopped campaigning since first declaring his candidacy five years ago (in all fairness, it is all the man knows how to do), just happened to be on the road again — in Detroit, of all places — on the very day the legislature was passing and Gov. Rick Snyder was signing historic legislation to make Michigan a right-to-work state. And a month after Obama himself had won the state handily in his own re-election bid, with massive help from the UAW, no less. Who could ever have imagined?
For Michiganders, this was do-or-die time. Detroit, a once-mighty industrial city of 1.8 million people in its heyday, has been reduced to a shell of its former self, gasping along with a population of 800,000, many of them poor and unemployed. Entire sections of the city resemble the worst of parts of the Bronx or bombed-out Beirut in the 1970s. Motor City, as it was once known, is now a ghetto where boarded-up homes can be purchased for $1,000 as entire neighborhoods sit abandoned.
Good jobs, building American cars, went elsewhere. Ford started building some of its products in Mexico. GM increasingly utilized Canadian labor across the northern border. And Lee Iacocca’s beloved Chrysler got passed around from one foreign owner to another (currently the Italian company Fiat).
Meanwhile, German, Japanese and Korean automakers began setting up shop in business-friendly states, paying good wages, with good benefits, for building good cars in places like Indiana, Tennessee and South Carolina, states that do not require a worker to pay dues to a union to get a job. But in Michigan, the UAW continued along as if it were still the 1950s and they were the only people who could build automobiles.
In its post-war glory years, the UAW could dictate contract terms to the management of the “Big Three.”Detroit was Motor City. Not anymore. Despite the nostalgic TV commercials advertising Chrysler (“imported from Detroit”), Motor City has become a social and fiscal basket case, thanks largely to union greed.
It is long past time to break the stranglehold labor unions have had on the public and private sectors. Despite the re-election of Barack Obama, the tide is turning against union thuggery. attempt to emerge more popular than ever. And now Gov. Snyder and the Republican legislature in Michigan have done the unimaginable: they have turned Michigan into a right-to-work state.
Twenty-four down, 26 to go.
After the legislation was passed, the number of jobs in Oklahoma’s manufacturing sector shrank by almost one-third and the number of new companies locating in the state fell, Gordon Lafer, a University of Oregon professor, wrote in a paper for the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute in 2011.“The scientific – as opposed to ideological – analysis of right-to-work laws shows that right-to-work laws lower wages and benefits for both union and non-union workers alike, while having no positive impact whatsoever on job growth,” Prof. Lafer wrote.

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