BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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The 14th amendment's Citizenship Clause is very complimentary to Art. 2, Section 1, para 5, and John Jay's description of a Natural Born Citizen, you know, "no foreign influence".
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<quoted text>No, it now comes from the 14th amendment, as ratified in 1868. This can't be changed unless the Constitution is amended.
As plainly stated, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", meaning not subject to any foreign power.
Sorry, Obama was born a subject of a foreign power, since his father was not "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" (US Constitution).
NO, the words "Natural Born" are not mentioned in the 14th Amendment. The phrase comes from the common law.
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Justice Dale wrote:
The 14th amendment's Citizenship Clause is very complimentary to Art. 2, Section 1, para 5, and John Jay's description of a Natural Born Citizen, you know, "no foreign influence".
Re: ""no foreign influence".

There is absolutely no evidence that the writers of the US Constitution thought that the US-born children of foreigners would have any more foreign influence than the US-born children of US citizens. If they had thought so, they would have said it. Instead, they wrote in the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..."

So, if they had really thought that the US-born children of foreigners should not be treated equally to the US-born children of US citizens, they would have said so instead of using the term Natural Born, which had applied to ALL children born in the country for three hundred years.
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NO, the words "Natural Born" are not mentioned in the 14th Amendment. The phrase comes from the common law.
By operation of the 14th is prevents anything but Natural Born and Naturalized Citizens, no one being subject to a foreign power will be granted citizenship.
As described by John Jay, a Natural Born Citizen is one with out foreign influence.
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Good Morning Guys :)
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Yeah ... jock itch !!!
Our Father !!!... ;0)
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While you were mumbling about the upcoming armed conflict some of your drool messed up the bar.
I don't have to drool. I just sit back and watch the Union Brown-Shirts make asses of themselves and their political party.
LMAO, great bunch of thugs!
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George Washington is revered as the Father of this country for many reasons. Virtually every American knows that he was the first President of the United States of America. Most also know that we commanded the Revolutionary Army.

As the General of the Revolutionary Army, Washington's determination, leadership and refusal to give up made the difference between victory and defeat on more than one occasion. His daring attack on a Hessian fort at Trenton (pictured on the RIGHT) turned the tide in a War that had been clearly going the way of the British--not the Colonists. When the Continental Congress repeatedly found itself incapable of leading the young nation, Washington had to take charge, and take charge he did.

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Justice Dale

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Can't wait for the "night of broken glass"! Maybe they will burn the White House and blame it on the Tea Party.
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Hefty salaries, perks for union leaders raise eyebrows; Stay Connected
By Judy L. Thomas | McClatchy Newspapers
KANSAS CITY, Mo.— First-class travel. Six-figure salaries for half the 132 officers and staffers. Plenty of plum jobs for family members.
Life is good at the top of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers, Iron Ship Builders, Blacksmiths, Forgers and Helpers.
The union, with its headquarters in Kansas City, Kan., represents about 59,000 workers in the U.S. and Canada who make and repair boilers, fit pipes and work on ships and power plants. The recession has hit their trade hard, reducing union membership.
At the same time, the president’s salary has surged 67 percent in the past six years, not counting a recent raise. Add in travel and some other expenses, and Newton B. Jones received more than $600,000 last year, putting him at the absolute top of the , according to the most recent financial reports filed by the organizations.
“This is one of the more egregious examples of money flowing like crazy that I’ve ever seen,” said Nathan Mehrens, a former U.S. Labor Department lawyer and now general counsel for Americans for Limited Government, a conservative watchdog group.
In an interview, two union spokesmen defended the spending and hiring practices before requesting other questions in writing. Although they did not respond to every question, Michael Stapp, the union’s general counsel, provided a written response that included praise for the Boilermakers.
“The Boilermaker family of organizations, together valued at over $10 billion, has proudly represented the interests of hundreds of thousands of working men and women for over 130 years,” Stapp wrote.
“The history of the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers clearly demonstrates that they operate in strict accordance with all applicable laws and governing documents. They operate in much the same manner as most other labor organizations.”
Attempts to reach rank-and-file union members for comment were unsuccessful. But rumbles of discontent are sometimes felt.
In April, an anonymous letter, mailed purportedly by Boilermakers members and obtained by The Kansas City Star, sharply criticized union leaders.
“While members and their families struggle to make it through this recession, our IBB (International Brotherhood of Boilermakers) are a mere 5 percent the size of the Teamsters union. Yet which president received more in total disbursements from their unions last year — Teamsters President James P. Hoffa or the lesser-known Newton B. Jones?
Jones by more than $200,000.
Jones received $607,022 in total disbursements, compared with $372,489 for Hoffa.
Total disbursements include salary and business expenses, especially travel, which a union spokesman said made up most of Jones’ expenses.
Jones’ salary in the last fiscal year, which ended June 30, 2011, was $307,134 — also more than Hoffa. The figures come from annual reports the unions file with the Labor Department.
Jones’ total disbursements also are more than double those of Richard Trumka, head of the powerful AFL-CIO, a federation of national and international unions with 11.6 million members. Trumka received total disbursements of $293,750.
Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/05/13/148607/...
Sorry, had to take a few sentences out to make room for response.

What utter repititious platitudes. Yes, some union bosses have defrauded their members, and living high off the hog. AND IT'S WRONG AND SHOULD BE FIXED.Prosecute them, jail them.

On the other hand, why don't you make a list of corporations where CEOs and execs' salaries make union exec salaries look like loose change? And defrauding of the workers, sharelholders, pensioners, clients and taxpayers. Bet that would take 10 pages of Topix

It IS difficult for you to be even-handed, right,Rogue? At least, if only the rich guys paid you. One born every second.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>By operation of the 14th is prevents anything but Natural Born and Naturalized Citizens, no one being subject to a foreign power will be granted citizenship.
As described by John Jay, a Natural Born Citizen is one with out foreign influence.
There is absolutely nothing in the US Constitution that says or implies that the US-born child of a foreigner has any foreign influence, and John Jay, a lawyer and justice, was referring to the common law meaning of Natural Born, which had been used for 300 years to refer to the place of birth.
Justice Dale

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It is my opinion that Orly Taitz and Mario Apuzzo have been noithing but a smoke screen for Obama.
All of the facts are in the Constitution pertaining to citizenship.
Since Obama is not a citizen per the 14th, then he can't come-under Art. 2, section 1, para 5 of the Constitution.
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Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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why don't you make a list of corporations where CEOs and execs' salaries make union exec salaries look like loose change? And defrauding of the workers, sharelholders, pensioners, clients and taxpayers. Bet that would take 10 pages of Topix
It IS difficult for you to be even-handed, right,Rogue? At least, if only the rich guys paid you. One born every second.
The reason Rogue and others of his/her ilk don't list the excesses of corporate CEOs is that Fox (that is, Roger Ailes) didn't tell them to do so.

People who parrot Fox's talking points are nothing more than puppets and should be ignored.
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There is absolutely nothing in the US Constitution that says or implies that the US-born child of a foreigner has any foreign influence, and John Jay, a lawyer and justice, was referring to the common law meaning of Natural Born, which had been used for 300 years to refer to the place of birth.
That is funny!!
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Can't wait for the "night of broken glass"! Maybe they will burn the White House and blame it on the Tea Party.
Ahhhh, Justice ha ha Dale can't help but invoke his "heroic" nazi brown shirts and their famous "Kristallnacht". Bravo, Justice ha ha Dale, you once again have exhibited your propensity and admiration for naxi hijinks.
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Can't wait for the "night of broken glass"! Maybe they will burn the White House and blame it on the Tea Party.
Confirming yet again that you're a raving loony toon, Gween Toof.
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Justice Dale wrote:
It is my opinion that Orly Taitz and Mario Apuzzo have been noithing but a smoke screen for Obama.
All of the facts are in the Constitution pertaining to citizenship.
Since Obama is not a citizen per the 14th, then he can't come-under Art. 2, section 1, para 5 of the Constitution.
Obama was born in the USA and hence is both a US Citizen and a Natural Born US Citizen, as are Jindal and Rubio.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>That is funny!!
It is a fact. There is absolutely nothing in the US Constitution that says or implies that the US-born child of a foreigner has any foreign influence, and John Jay, a lawyer and justice, was referring to the common law meaning of Natural Born, which had been used for 300 years to refer to the place of birth.
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Ellen1 wrote:
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It is a fact. There is absolutely nothing in the US Constitution that says or implies that the US-born child of a foreigner has any foreign influence, and John Jay, a lawyer and justice, was referring to the common law meaning of Natural Born, which had been used for 300 years to refer to the place of birth.
Not!
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Affirmative Diversity wrote:
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How do you prove that with a fraudulent long form birth certificate?
It can't be done!
If I give you counterfeit money for goods or services rendered, have I really paid my bill?
I think not!
If I show you a fraudulent long form birth certificate, have I really PROVEN where I was born?
I think not!
SHEEPLE, we are still waiting for you to post ANY COPY of Obama's long form birth certificate that contains a raised visible embossed seal that was released to the public in April 2011.
Even the hard copies do not contain that seal,(but they do contain that same one-of-a-kind error).
All copies are fraudulent documents.
You are failing this assignment spectacularly because the smart people know it can't be done.
Of course it can't be done. It can't be done because a scan of a Hawaii birth certificate on security paper and put into pdf does not pick up an image of the raised seal.

The fact that the raised seal does not show up on a computer scan of the document put into PDF does not disprove:(1) the short form birth certificate; (2) the long form birth certificate;(3) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties and the Index Data; (4) the birth notices sent to the newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and ONLY the DOH could send those notices to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the papers, and in 1961 the DOH only sent them for births IN Hawaii); (5) the fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles from any foreign country; and (6) the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley.

The notion that Obama's mother would have traveled thousands of miles late in pregnancy (much less tens of thousands to Kenya, which has said, BTW, that Obama was not born there) ALONE (since a FOI Act request has showed that Obama senior stayed in Hawaii throughout 1961) is highly unlikely.

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