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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132556 Dec 10, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
The Constitution is as clear as the nose on your face. According to Article II, Section 1, to be eligible to be president or vice president of the United States one must be a “natural born citizen.” That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents. The framers, concerned about destructive foreign influences at a time of the founding of the nation, were wary that the foreign biases of parents could tragically influence the country’s leadership, especially during its formative years. Being largely from England themselves, with British parents, the framers also knew and lived among Tories who did not want to see a new nation arise, but who, comfortable in their noble status and wealth under the British Crown, desired to continue to be ruled by King George III. They did their best to prevent the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and sought to undermine and subvert the ensuing Revolutionary War effort. Later, not willing to give up, British of their ilk attempted to retake control of the “colonies” and invaded Washington, D.C., in 1812, only to burn down the White House, among other dastardly deeds.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/scalia-flummoxed-a...
Yeah, this is exactly why the Founding Fathers chose Natural born citizen as a requirement for the Presidency, as opposed to merely being a citizen.
A mere citizen can be born in the US of TWO foreign parents, with loyalties that can be to other countries.
This is a citizen by birth alone.
A Natural born citizen can only be born of TWO US citizens, anywhere in the world, but their loyalties will only be to the US.
A Natural born citizen has loyalties to the US alone at birth, because of the dual parentage loyalties that they have at birth.
The US is the country that their parents were citizens of when they were born.
They are Natural born citizens.
What better way to protect against cabal and intrigue than to require that one be a Natural born citizen before being given the reigns to lead the country?
We know where that person's loyalties lie.
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132558 Dec 10, 2012
Poppo? See what I told you about LRS the slug losing it? Check out post 132547, which is pretty remarkable as I did not address him at all.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#132559 Dec 10, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
For those of you who do not know, to be a pilot flying commercial passenger planes you must have a Class-1 FAA flight physical which means you can not be over 60 years old. But as long as you can pass a Class-2, you can fly non-passenger commercial aircraft. But who wants to fly rubber dog-shit out of China?
I thought that once you reached 60 you couldn't be the captain on a commercial passenger carrier....you had to move to the other seat.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132560 Dec 10, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
The Constitution is as clear as the nose on your face. According to Article II, Section 1, to be eligible to be president or vice president of the United States one must be a “natural born citizen.” That means born in the United States to two American citizen parents. The framers, concerned about destructive foreign influences at a time of the founding of the nation, were wary that the foreign biases of parents could tragically influence the country’s leadership, especially during its formative years. Being largely from England themselves, with British parents, the framers also knew and lived among Tories who did not want to see a new nation arise, but who, comfortable in their noble status and wealth under the British Crown, desired to continue to be ruled by King George III. They did their best to prevent the signing of the Declaration of Independence in 1776, and sought to undermine and subvert the ensuing Revolutionary War effort. Later, not willing to give up, British of their ilk attempted to retake control of the “colonies” and invaded Washington, D.C., in 1812, only to burn down the White House, among other dastardly deeds.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/scalia-flummoxed-a...
Yeah, this is exactly why the Founding Fathers chose Natural born citizen as a requirement for the Presidency, as opposed to merely being a citizen.
A mere citizen can be born in the US of TWO foreign parents, with loyalties that can be to other countries.
This is a citizen by birth alone.
A Natural born citizen can only be born of TWO US citizens, anywhere in the world, but their loyalties will only be to the US.
A Natural born citizen has loyalties to the US alone at birth, because of the dual parentage loyalties that they have at birth.
The US is the country that their parents were citizens of when they were born.
They are Natural born citizens.
What better way to protect against cabal and intrigue than to require that one be a Natural born citizen before being given the reigns to lead the country?
We know where that person's loyalties lie.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/...
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132562 Dec 10, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
Lower court judges, in myriad cases where the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama has been challenged, have abdicated – for apparent political reasons to save their own standing in and among the establishment – their responsibility to rule that Obama is not a natural born citizen qualified to be president. Now, with the exit stage left of the one Supreme Court justice conservatives thought had the guts to enforce the will of the framers, and to protect We the People, it is clearer than ever that revolution can no longer be avoided.
Americans no longer have a government run by people with the ethics and courage to protect the nation, and we must now do it for ourselves, hopefully peacefully and legally and with minimal collateral damage to ourselves and our families. But, as the framers experienced in 1776 with a king who did not and would not take into account their grievances, we again have no choice.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/scalia-flummoxed-a...
Not much chance of a revolution when Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O'Reilly and the National Review all call birthers CRAZY, and when not one of them---or Romney or McCain or Paul Ryan or Michelle Bachmann or Huckabee---asserts that Obama is not a Natural Born US Citizen.

Seven state courts and one federal court have all ruled on Obama that he is indeed a Natural Born US Citizen because the key Supreme Court ruling is the Wong Kim Ark case (which btw was AFTER Minor v. Happersett) and that the Wong Kim Ark case ruled that the meaning of Natural Born came from the common law, not from Vattel, and that it refers to the place of birth, and that EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US citizen.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132565 Dec 10, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
<quoted text>
I told you exactly what a Natural born citizen was and explained why!
A Natural born citizen can only be born of TWO US citizens, anywhere in the world, but their loyalties will only be to the US....Shove your misleading links and kindly exhibit some common sense if you possess any.
Your uninformed opinion does not count.

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

Here are some of the SEVEN state court rulings and the one federal court ruling, all of which have ruled that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen due to the Wong Kim Ark supreme court case (which btw was AFTER Minor v. Happersett) having ruled that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born US citizen due to the fact that Natural Born came from the common law and referred to the PLACE OF BIRTH:

Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling:“Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling:“It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling:“No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here.… The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

Voeltz v. Obama (2nd suit Florida 2012) ruling:“In addition, to the extent that the complaint alleges that President Obama is not a “natural born citizen” even though born int he United States, the Court is in agreement with other courts that have considered this issue, namely, that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purpose, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.[Citations to Wong, Hollander, Ankeny].

Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling:“Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co., 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President.… Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132567 Dec 10, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
<quoted text>
I told you exactly what a Natural born citizen was and explained why!
A Natural born citizen can only be born of TWO US citizens, anywhere in the world, but their loyalties will only be to the US.
A Natural born citizen has loyalties to the US alone at birth, because of the dual parentage loyalties that they have at birth.
The US is the country that their parents were citizens of when they were born.
They are Natural born citizens.
What better way to protect against cabal and intrigue than to require that one be a Natural born citizen before being given the reigns to lead the country?
We know where that person's loyalties lie.
We know that Obama's loyalties do not lie with the US.
Have you forgotten about the Americans who died at Benghazi, or did you even know?
Shove your misleading links and kindly exhibit some common sense if you possess any.
You told us what your UNINFORMED OPINION claims is the meaning of Natural Born. And you can keep on repeating your uninformed opinion. But you will not convince a soul, and on December 17, a week from today, the US Electoral College will vote and Obama will win, again, as he did in 2008. And in 2008 birthers and two-fers tried to get members of the US Electoral College to change their votes to vote against Obama. And guess what, not one single one of them changed a single vote; the vote of the electors was exactly the same as the electoral vote in the general election. And then the birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the US Congress not to confirm Obama's election. And, guess what, not one single member of Congress voted against, the vote to confirm was UNANIMOUS.

That is because Obama really is a Natural Born Citizen due simply to his place of birth, since the meaning of Natural Born citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.

For those who are interested in the FACTS on the meaning of Natural Born and not the speculation of a birther:

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit ...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact ...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132568 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You told us what your UNINFORMED OPINION claims is the meaning of Natural Born. And you can keep on repeating your uninformed opinion. But you will not convince a soul, and on December 17, a week from today, the US Electoral College will vote and Obama will win, again, as he did in 2008. And in 2008 birthers and two-fers tried to get members of the US Electoral College to change their votes to vote against Obama. And guess what, not one single one of them changed a single vote; the vote of the electors was exactly the same as the electoral vote in the general election. And then the birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the US Congress not to confirm Obama's election. And, guess what, not one single member of Congress voted against, the vote to confirm was UNANIMOUS.
That is because Obama really is a Natural Born Citizen due simply to his place of birth, since the meaning of Natural Born citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
For those who are interested in the FACTS on the meaning of Natural Born and not the speculation of a birther:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact ...
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ...
LMAO!!! You're an idiot. As you've proven over and over! LMAO!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132569 Dec 10, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
LMAO!!! You're an idiot. As you've proven over and over! LMAO!!!
Calling names does not convince anybody.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132572 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling names does not convince anybody.
Neither does your reposting of the same twisted crap over and over. "and not subject to ANY foreign power" - you can't make that go away. Yet you try and try to no avail. Your argument is pure BS, mo!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#132577 Dec 10, 2012
It's late fall and the Indians on a remote reservation in North Dakota asked their new chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild.

Since he was a chief in a modern society, he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like.

Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared.

But, being a practical leader, after several days, he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked,'Is the coming winter going to be cold?'

'It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold,' the meteorologist at the weather service responded.

So the chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared.

A week later, he called the National Weather Service again.'Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter?'

'Yes,' the man at National Weather Service again replied,'it's going to be a very cold winter.'

The chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find.

Two weeks later, the chief called the National Weather Service again.'Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?'

'Absolutely,' the man replied.'It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters we've ever seen.'

'How can you be so sure?' the chief asked.

The weatherman replied,'The Indians are collecting a shitload of firewood'
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132578 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
WE have "experience" ... libTARDS ;0)
That's your reply? Namely, that you have experience at nasty name-calling? Are you that dumb or just being honest? And then ending with an insult to special needs people. Did you say you were christian?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132579 Dec 10, 2012
VIVIAN wrote:
when my husband first broke up with me to fallow another girl, i went all aroung sicking for solution every were but know one could help me solve my problems. A friend told me to go and look for a spell caster which i did, but they all made away with my money. Untill i was told by my cuzins sister to go and meet the leader of all africans traditional spell caster named DRMARKROBBIN. When i meet him i told him all my problems, and i need to cast a spell on it. He told mr that is going to caste the spell after three that my husband come back to me and everthing about me will turn around, he went ahead and cast the spell. Three day later after the spell has be caster, my husband that have left me for long period call me that i should forgive him. That he will love to come back and that same week i was promoted in my office, you can meet this grate man on this email drmarkrobbinspellhome@gmail.co m
As told by the next birther leader. Only little problem with her is that she appears overqualified.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132581 Dec 10, 2012
VIVIAN wrote:
when my husband first broke up with me to fallow another girl, i went all aroung sicking for solution every were but know one could help me solve my problems. A friend told me to go and look for a spell caster which i did, but they all made away with my money. Untill i was told by my cuzins sister to go and meet the leader of all africans traditional spell caster named DRMARKROBBIN. When i meet him i told him all my problems, and i need to cast a spell on it. He told mr that is going to caste the spell after three that my husband come back to me and everthing about me will turn around, he went ahead and cast the spell. Three day later after the spell has be caster, my husband that have left me for long period call me that i should forgive him. That he will love to come back and that same week i was promoted in my office, you can meet this grate man on this email drmarkrobbinspellhome@gmail.co m
Q: Why do Polish names end in "ski”?

A: Because they can't spell toboggan.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132582 Dec 10, 2012
O little town of Bethlehem,
How still we see thee lie.
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by;
Yet in thy dark streets shineth
The everlasting Light;
The hopes and fears of all the years
Are met in thee tonight.
For Christ is born of Mary,
And, gathered all above
While mortals sleep, the angels keep
Their watch of wondering love.
O morning stars, together
Proclaim the holy birth.
And praises sing to God the King.
And peace to men on earth.
How silently, how silently
The wondrous gift is given!
So God imparts to human hearts
The blessings of His heaven.
No ear may hear His coming;
But in this world of sin,
Where meek souls will receive Him,
still The dear Christ enters in.
Where children, pure and happy,
Pray to the Blessed Child;
Where misery cries out to thee,
Son of the Mother mild;
Where charity stands watching,
And faith holds wide the door,
The dark night wakes, the glory breaks,
and Christmas comes once more.
O Holy Child of Bethlehem,
Descend to us, we pray;
Cast out our sin and enter in;
Be born in us today!
We hear the Christmas angels
The great glad tidings tell;
O come to us, abide with us,
Our Lord Emmanuel!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132586 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling names does not convince anybody.
AL said
WE have "experience" ... libTARDS ;0)
==========
Hey dumbazz ...
FOLLOW the program :)
you SEE what E said ... RIGHT?
WE know from ALL the name-calling YOU libTARDS have called US that IT does NOT convince ANYONE ... especially US
I'd CALL that "experience" wouldn't "you" ???
ALSO vice-versa ...
WE've NOT been able to CONVINCE you libTARDS EITHER ...
A "whole" ...using the weatherman's terms here
"chitload of experience" ... ;0)
BETTER put that "just RIGHT"
O
R
you'll NEVER get iT .....
A "whole chitload of experience" ...)8~D>
Instead of calling names, I will cite facts:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit ...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact ...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ...
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132587 Dec 10, 2012
YES, THE SAME JUDAS WHO UNDERSTATINGLY SAID HE HAD FLAWS, HA HA, JUST POSTED ABOVE HYMN. AMEN. HE ALSO POSTED THE FOLLOWING BEAUTS :(Also some of his bosom buddy Guru's preferred quotes were added to add some piquant)
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>

POS
shorts full of maggots
eat shat
moronic tard
pollock
stupid pollock
dipshat
pollock pollock azz (you like that racist one, don't you?)
tard's azz
dumbazz pollock
shatt on my head (isn't that what you use to replace Brylcreem?)
turd
azzholes
dycks
POS
azzcclown
scumbag
buttflap
POS
dumbazzbitch

I took out the marginal ones, otherwise, I'd need two posts

Guru's few profanities and filthy vocabulary while we're at it :
dumbshit
dkhead
Jock itch
Skank
Sheeple Buster :
fuck
lip lock on a loser's asshole (Can't invent THAT one. Has to be drawn from personal experience
shit-sucking varmint. Same as above
skank
shit
GFY
shit
shit (very anal retentive our friend, no?)
:
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132588 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead of calling names, I will cite facts:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact ...
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ...
"and not subject to ANY foreign power". Just can't make that go away can ya. LOL
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132589 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
WHEN I say libTARDS ...
I am in NO WAY meaning ANYthing toward our
"mentally deficient" citizens ... <3
Just WANT everyONE to KNOW that !!!
Purely to the 'liberals-dims'... ;0)
A
N
D
"not" to the God-Fearing of THEM :)
WRONG. You intend insulting your opponents by usind "tard" which is a mean outdated pejorative word to define intellectually deficient persons or special needs. You and Rogue are wrong on this. Instead of writing "Libtard" (Rogue and AL tm reg'd), why can't you be up front about it and just write "special needstards?".
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132590 Dec 10, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
"and not subject to ANY foreign power". Just can't make that go away can ya. LOL
There is nothing in the US Constitution about "not subject to a foreign power" and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law simply refers to the place of birth. There are no exceptions for dual citizens, EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.

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