BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 20 comments on the Jan 8, 2009, Chicago Tribune story titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132568 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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You told us what your UNINFORMED OPINION claims is the meaning of Natural Born. And you can keep on repeating your uninformed opinion. But you will not convince a soul, and on December 17, a week from today, the US Electoral College will vote and Obama will win, again, as he did in 2008. And in 2008 birthers and two-fers tried to get members of the US Electoral College to change their votes to vote against Obama. And guess what, not one single one of them changed a single vote; the vote of the electors was exactly the same as the electoral vote in the general election. And then the birthers and two-fers tried to get the members of the US Congress not to confirm Obama's election. And, guess what, not one single member of Congress voted against, the vote to confirm was UNANIMOUS.
That is because Obama really is a Natural Born Citizen due simply to his place of birth, since the meaning of Natural Born citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.
For those who are interested in the FACTS on the meaning of Natural Born and not the speculation of a birther:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact ...
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ...
LMAO!!! You're an idiot. As you've proven over and over! LMAO!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132569 Dec 10, 2012
LRS wrote:
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LMAO!!! You're an idiot. As you've proven over and over! LMAO!!!
Calling names does not convince anybody.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132572 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Calling names does not convince anybody.
Neither does your reposting of the same twisted crap over and over. "and not subject to ANY foreign power" - you can't make that go away. Yet you try and try to no avail. Your argument is pure BS, mo!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#132577 Dec 10, 2012
It's late fall and the Indians on a remote reservation in North Dakota asked their new chief if the coming winter was going to be cold or mild.

Since he was a chief in a modern society, he had never been taught the old secrets. When he looked at the sky, he couldn't tell what the winter was going to be like.

Nevertheless, to be on the safe side, he told his tribe that the winter was indeed going to be cold and that the members of the village should collect firewood to be prepared.

But, being a practical leader, after several days, he got an idea. He went to the phone booth, called the National Weather Service and asked,'Is the coming winter going to be cold?'

'It looks like this winter is going to be quite cold,' the meteorologist at the weather service responded.

So the chief went back to his people and told them to collect even more firewood in order to be prepared.

A week later, he called the National Weather Service again.'Does it still look like it is going to be a very cold winter?'

'Yes,' the man at National Weather Service again replied,'it's going to be a very cold winter.'

The chief again went back to his people and ordered them to collect every scrap of firewood they could find.

Two weeks later, the chief called the National Weather Service again.'Are you absolutely sure that the winter is going to be very cold?'

'Absolutely,' the man replied.'It's looking more and more like it is going to be one of the coldest winters we've ever seen.'

'How can you be so sure?' the chief asked.

The weatherman replied,'The Indians are collecting a shitload of firewood'
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132578 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
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WE have "experience" ... libTARDS ;0)
That's your reply? Namely, that you have experience at nasty name-calling? Are you that dumb or just being honest? And then ending with an insult to special needs people. Did you say you were christian?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132579 Dec 10, 2012
VIVIAN wrote:
when my husband first broke up with me to fallow another girl, i went all aroung sicking for solution every were but know one could help me solve my problems. A friend told me to go and look for a spell caster which i did, but they all made away with my money. Untill i was told by my cuzins sister to go and meet the leader of all africans traditional spell caster named DRMARKROBBIN. When i meet him i told him all my problems, and i need to cast a spell on it. He told mr that is going to caste the spell after three that my husband come back to me and everthing about me will turn around, he went ahead and cast the spell. Three day later after the spell has be caster, my husband that have left me for long period call me that i should forgive him. That he will love to come back and that same week i was promoted in my office, you can meet this grate man on this email drmarkrobbinspellhome@gmail.co m
As told by the next birther leader. Only little problem with her is that she appears overqualified.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132581 Dec 10, 2012
VIVIAN wrote:
when my husband first broke up with me to fallow another girl, i went all aroung sicking for solution every were but know one could help me solve my problems. A friend told me to go and look for a spell caster which i did, but they all made away with my money. Untill i was told by my cuzins sister to go and meet the leader of all africans traditional spell caster named DRMARKROBBIN. When i meet him i told him all my problems, and i need to cast a spell on it. He told mr that is going to caste the spell after three that my husband come back to me and everthing about me will turn around, he went ahead and cast the spell. Three day later after the spell has be caster, my husband that have left me for long period call me that i should forgive him. That he will love to come back and that same week i was promoted in my office, you can meet this grate man on this email drmarkrobbinspellhome@gmail.co m
Q: Why do Polish names end in "ski”?

A: Because they can't spell toboggan.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132582 Dec 10, 2012
O little town of Bethlehem,
How still we see thee lie.
Above thy deep and dreamless sleep
The silent stars go by;
Yet in thy dark streets shineth
The everlasting Light;
The hopes and fears of all the years
Are met in thee tonight.
For Christ is born of Mary,
And, gathered all above
While mortals sleep, the angels keep
Their watch of wondering love.
O morning stars, together
Proclaim the holy birth.
And praises sing to God the King.
And peace to men on earth.
How silently, how silently
The wondrous gift is given!
So God imparts to human hearts
The blessings of His heaven.
No ear may hear His coming;
But in this world of sin,
Where meek souls will receive Him,
still The dear Christ enters in.
Where children, pure and happy,
Pray to the Blessed Child;
Where misery cries out to thee,
Son of the Mother mild;
Where charity stands watching,
And faith holds wide the door,
The dark night wakes, the glory breaks,
and Christmas comes once more.
O Holy Child of Bethlehem,
Descend to us, we pray;
Cast out our sin and enter in;
Be born in us today!
We hear the Christmas angels
The great glad tidings tell;
O come to us, abide with us,
Our Lord Emmanuel!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132586 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
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Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling names does not convince anybody.
AL said
WE have "experience" ... libTARDS ;0)
==========
Hey dumbazz ...
FOLLOW the program :)
you SEE what E said ... RIGHT?
WE know from ALL the name-calling YOU libTARDS have called US that IT does NOT convince ANYONE ... especially US
I'd CALL that "experience" wouldn't "you" ???
ALSO vice-versa ...
WE've NOT been able to CONVINCE you libTARDS EITHER ...
A "whole" ...using the weatherman's terms here
"chitload of experience" ... ;0)
BETTER put that "just RIGHT"
O
R
you'll NEVER get iT .....
A "whole chitload of experience" ...)8~D>
Instead of calling names, I will cite facts:

“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname ...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297 ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit ...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...

http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact ...

http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ...
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132587 Dec 10, 2012
YES, THE SAME JUDAS WHO UNDERSTATINGLY SAID HE HAD FLAWS, HA HA, JUST POSTED ABOVE HYMN. AMEN. HE ALSO POSTED THE FOLLOWING BEAUTS :(Also some of his bosom buddy Guru's preferred quotes were added to add some piquant)
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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POS
shorts full of maggots
eat shat
moronic tard
pollock
stupid pollock
dipshat
pollock pollock azz (you like that racist one, don't you?)
tard's azz
dumbazz pollock
shatt on my head (isn't that what you use to replace Brylcreem?)
turd
azzholes
dycks
POS
azzcclown
scumbag
buttflap
POS
dumbazzbitch

I took out the marginal ones, otherwise, I'd need two posts

Guru's few profanities and filthy vocabulary while we're at it :
dumbshit
dkhead
Jock itch
Skank
Sheeple Buster :
fuck
lip lock on a loser's asshole (Can't invent THAT one. Has to be drawn from personal experience
shit-sucking varmint. Same as above
skank
shit
GFY
shit
shit (very anal retentive our friend, no?)
:
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132588 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Instead of calling names, I will cite facts:
“What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.”(Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)--Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).
“Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are "natural born citizens" and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are "natural born citizens" eligible to serve as President ..."---- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005)[Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]
http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyiname ...
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297 ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-cit ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_eviden ...
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact ...
http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/ ...
"and not subject to ANY foreign power". Just can't make that go away can ya. LOL
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132589 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
WHEN I say libTARDS ...
I am in NO WAY meaning ANYthing toward our
"mentally deficient" citizens ... <3
Just WANT everyONE to KNOW that !!!
Purely to the 'liberals-dims'... ;0)
A
N
D
"not" to the God-Fearing of THEM :)
WRONG. You intend insulting your opponents by usind "tard" which is a mean outdated pejorative word to define intellectually deficient persons or special needs. You and Rogue are wrong on this. Instead of writing "Libtard" (Rogue and AL tm reg'd), why can't you be up front about it and just write "special needstards?".
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132590 Dec 10, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
"and not subject to ANY foreign power". Just can't make that go away can ya. LOL
There is nothing in the US Constitution about "not subject to a foreign power" and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law simply refers to the place of birth. There are no exceptions for dual citizens, EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132591 Dec 10, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
YES, THE SAME JUDAS WHO UNDERSTATINGLY SAID HE HAD FLAWS, HA HA, JUST POSTED ABOVE HYMN. AMEN. HE ALSO POSTED THE FOLLOWING BEAUTS :(Also some of his bosom buddy Guru's preferred quotes were added to add some piquant)
<quoted text>
Lunasquid, you remain unAmerican, insignificant and irrelevant. Got your tantrum shoes on today? Better put on a fresh diaper! LMAO!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#132592 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing in the US Constitution about "not subject to a foreign power" and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law simply refers to the place of birth. There are no exceptions for dual citizens, EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
That should read, "and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and simply refers to the place of birth."
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132593 Dec 10, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
WRONG. You intend insulting your opponents by usind "tard" which is a mean outdated pejorative word to define intellectually deficient persons or special needs. You and Rogue are wrong on this. Instead of writing "Libtard" (Rogue and AL tm reg'd), why can't you be up front about it and just write "special needstards?".
Definite proof Lunasquid is crazy. Thinking he knows what someone else meant! Certifiable lunatic.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132594 Dec 10, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is nothing in the US Constitution about "not subject to a foreign power" and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law simply refers to the place of birth. There are no exceptions for dual citizens, EVERY child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
It's not name calling when it's true, idiot.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#132597 Dec 10, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohhhh ....
I "get" iT
Is THAT what "you" ARE ...:)
"special needstards"
I'm soooooo SORRY ...!!! ;0)
Our father...

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#132599 Dec 10, 2012
LRS wrote:
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"and not subject to ANY foreign power". Just can't make that go away can ya. LOL
A child born in the United States to alien parents is not subject to ANY FOREIGN POWER. Period.

Parents' allegiance had nothing do with the Natural Born Citizen language in the Constitution. All persons born in the former British Colonies in America regardless as to the alienage of their parents or naturalized prior to the adoption of Constitution became citizens of the United States. After the adoption of the Constitution only those persons who were born in the United States (Jus Soli) or through blood of their parents (if born overseas) were eligible to be President.

Lord Chief Justice Coke in his opinion in the Calvin's Case in 1608 enunciated the common law rule for a child born to aliens within the protection and allegiance of a sovereignty is that he or she is a natural born subject. Moreover, Chief Justice Coke's legal authority was "most admired and most often cited by American patriots" Anastasoff v. United States, 223 F.3rd 898, 900 fn. 6,(8th Cir. 2000)

The focus on the allegiance of the parents in determining the citizenship status of the child is misplaced since Blackstone wrote that "Natural allegiance is such as is due from all men born within the king's dominions immediately upon their birth."

A child born in the United States has only one allegiance and that allegiance is the United States. To have a "split allegiance" a child must be under the jurisdiction and control of TWO sovereignties at birth in the United States which is a legal impossibility since the United States doesn't share its jurisdiction of its citizens with another country.

Unlike hair color or eye color, a child doesn't inherit a parent's allegiance at birth.“[I]t has consistently been held judicially that one born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is, from birth, a citizen of the United States; that such citizenship does not depend upon like citizenship of his or her parents, or of either of them (except in the case of the children of ambassadors etc.). United States v. Richmond, 274 F. Supp. 43, 56 (CD Ca 1967). See also Von Schwerdtner v. Piper, 23 F. 2d 862 (D. MD 1928)(child born in the United States to German nationals)

"A person who is born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship of his parents, becomes an American citizen not by gift of Congress but by force of the Constitution. U.S.C.A., Constitutional Amendment 14, Section 1." In re Gogal, 75 F. Supp. 268, 271 (WD Pa 1947)

As such, the allegiance of parents whatever their situation is irrelevant in determining the citizenship status of a child born in the United States.“ At common law, a native is a person born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of a country, irrespective of the allegiance of his parents, except the child of an ambassador. Ex parte Palo, 3 F. 2d 44, 45 (W.D. Wa 1925)(internal citation omitted)
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#132600 Dec 10, 2012
Why are these people allowed to vote??????

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