BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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<quoted text>Only reason the language of the Fourteenth differs from the civil rights bill of 1866, which used the language “and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed” to restrict citizenship, is because Sen. Howard feared a State could begin taxing Indians, thereby making them eligible for citizenship. Because Indians, and other classes of foreigners whom Congress and the States desired to withhold citizenship from, owed allegiance to a foreign power (Indian tribes were considered independent nations), the Fourteenth would become just as restrictive against Indians by demanding full jurisdiction on part of the United States as with any other class of foreigners.
Aliens have never been "subject to thje jurisdiction, thereof
Gibberish.

Other classes of aliens (not born within the limits of the US) in the US owe local allegiance to the US while here, per US law. If they pay taxes, that doesn't make them citizens.

Indians in 1866 (born within the limits of the US) would have been considered citizens if taxed, as persons born under the jurisdiction -- subject to US law.

Grow up. It's US law that counts, not Play Law.
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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A person born in the United States is a citizen regardless as to the citizenship status of his or her parents. An alien by legal definition is a person born outside the United States. There is no such thing as a native born alien. That term doesn't exist.
In fact, courts only recognized two types of citizens, natural born or naturalized. Moreove, courts have established that naturalization acts only apply to those born OUTSIDE the United States.
Therefore, using birthers logic, if Obama is a native born alien then he can't be a natural born citizen and neither can be naturalized citizen since he was born in the United States.
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Jus soli: borne here a citizen = natural born citizen.
All persons born to US Citizens (at least the Father) "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, are natural Born citizens, not everyone born in the US are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", and this doesn't mean the children of Ambassadors/family.
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wojar wrote:
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”
Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822).
Yup, even in Kentucky they[1] understood a natural born citizen is a person born in the United States, even if the parents were aliens.
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[1] Not including BirfoonLady and Tacky/
looks like Howard's intent has made your aregument null and voild, and it was ratified in 1868.
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My father's father was born in Italy and my father's mother was born in France. Neither of them were naturalized citizens when my father was born in New York and yet my father was born a U.S. citizen.
A citizen, Yes!
NOT a "natural born" one.

IF they NEVER naturalized BEFORE he was born !!!
Therefore NOT eligible to BE president!
Just like Marco Rubio :)

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>All persons born to US Citizens (at least the Father) "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, are natural Born citizens, not everyone born in the US are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", and this doesn't mean the children of Ambassadors/family.
Correct. Children of foreign hostile occupying troops are also excluded from natural born citizenship.
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Jus soli: borne here a citizen = natural born citizen.
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Gibberish.
Other classes of aliens (not born within the limits of the US) in the US owe local allegiance to the US while here, per US law. If they pay taxes, that doesn't make them citizens.
Indians in 1866 (born within the limits of the US) would have been considered citizens if taxed, as persons born under the jurisdiction -- subject to US law.
Grow up. It's US law that counts, not Play Law.
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hahaha!! Try drafting a visiting alien, then you will see where their allegiance are, the same please as they were when entering the custom's gate, outside this country.
Puss, you are real funny tonite, per US law! LMAOOO!!!!
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I suspect this homeless man has some mental issues and I am not sure what the correct answer is. Because of LIBERAL laws you can not lockup someone to protect themselves from themselves.
Homeless man grateful for boots, but barefoot again
By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Lookout –
The homeless man who was photographed in being given a pair of boots by a New York City police officer in Times Square on a bitterly cold night last month was spotted on the Upper West Side on Sunday. And he was once again barefoot.
"Those shoes are hidden," Jeffrey Hillman, the 54-year-old homeless man, told the New York Times. "They are worth a lot of money--I could lose my life."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/nypd-home...
Rogue, what a foolish comment. In CA, a liberal state as you no doubt already know, people who threaten or attempt suicide are placed on a mandatory 72 hour lock up.

It's completely normal for homeless people to not carry or wear anything nice or new for fear of being beaten or even killed. The man clearly states that's the reason he hid the boots.

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<quoted text>An Act of April 9, 1866 established for the first time a national law that read,“all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed.” Rep. John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments, said this national law (Section 1992 of the US Revised Statutes) was “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”
Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, therefore not eligable to receive US citizenship.
Sorry, loser, Play Law doesn't count.

President Obama's parents owed allegiance to the United States. His mother owed permanent allegiance and his father owed local (temporary) allegiance according to US Law. Again, Play Law doesn't count.

Nevertheless, all that counts is that Barack Obama II owed immediate natural allegiance to the US at the time of birth. Even if his father had been living in London, under the jurisdiction of the Crown, it would not matter. The President was born in the US under the jurisdiction of the US. Play Law doesn't count.

President Obama was born a natural born citizen of the United States, not subject to any foreign power. He was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, tough.

Loser.

(Birfoons conflate citizenship with jurisdiction. Nobody who matters cares.) Grow up.
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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A person born in the United States is a citizen regardless as to the citizenship status of his or her parents. An alien by legal definition is a person born outside the United States. There is no such thing as a native born alien. That term doesn't exist.
In fact, courts only recognized two types of citizens, natural born or naturalized. Moreove, courts have established that naturalization acts only apply to those born OUTSIDE the United States.
Therefore, using birthers logic, if Obama is a native born alien then he can't be a natural born citizen and neither can be naturalized citizen since he was born in the United States.
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wojar wrote:
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Correct. Children of foreign hostile occupying troops are also excluded from natural born citizenship.
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Correct, and all persons born subject to any foreign power.

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<quoted text>hahaha!! Try drafting a visiting alien, then you will see where their allegiance are, the same please as they were when entering the custom's gate, outside this country.
Puss, you are real funny tonite, per US law! LMAOOO!!!!
Grow up. President Obama when born in Hawaii was not a visiting alien. He wasn't entering a customs gate. He was born here. Duh!
wojar wrote:
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Gibberish.
Other classes of aliens (not born within the limits of the US) in the US owe local allegiance to the US while here, per US law. If they pay taxes, that doesn't make them citizens.
Indians in 1866 (born within the limits of the US) would have been considered citizens if taxed, as persons born under the jurisdiction -- subject to US law.
Grow up. It's US law that counts, not Play Law.
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Sorry, loser, Play Law doesn't count.
President Obama's parents owed allegiance to the United States. His mother owed permanent allegiance and his father owed local (temporary) allegiance according to US Law. Again, Play Law doesn't count.
Nevertheless, all that counts is that Barack Obama II owed immediate natural allegiance to the US at the time of birth. Even if his father had been living in London, under the jurisdiction of the Crown, it would not matter. The President was born in the US under the jurisdiction of the US. Play Law doesn't count.
President Obama was born a natural born citizen of the United States, not subject to any foreign power. He was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, tough.
Loser.
(Birfoons conflate citizenship with jurisdiction. Nobody who matters cares.) Grow up.
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Well, thank you for clarifying what allegiance visiting aliens are under! See I told you aliens are not "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, only local laws, according to you.
Sr. owed the US nothing, his son was born subject to his country of origin.
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Grow up. President Obama when born in Hawaii was not a visiting alien. He wasn't entering a customs gate. He was born here. Duh!
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of course he wasn't a visiting alien when his father left, he was an resident alien, that never took the time to be naturalized.
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wojar wrote:
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Grow up. President Obama when born in Hawaii was not a visiting alien. He wasn't entering a customs gate. He was born here. Duh!
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Puss, being born a citizen of another nation! Hell, he could have been born in the "Oval Office" and still not be born a citizen of the US, that is what the phrase,"and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the Constitution, was created for, you know "no foreign influence", per John Jay.

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<quoted text>Well, thank you for clarifying what allegiance visiting aliens are under! See I told you aliens are not "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, only local laws, according to you.
Sr. owed the US nothing, his son was born subject to his country of origin.
"Local jurisdiction" does not pertain to local town laws. Rather it pertains to the jurisdiction of the host country. In the case of the US that includes US Constitutional law.

Grow up.
wojar wrote:
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Sorry, loser, Play Law doesn't count.
President Obama's parents owed allegiance to the United States. His mother owed permanent allegiance and his father owed local (temporary) allegiance according to US Law. Again, Play Law doesn't count.
Nevertheless, all that counts is that Barack Obama II owed immediate natural allegiance to the US at the time of birth. Even if his father had been living in London, under the jurisdiction of the Crown, it would not matter. The President was born in the US under the jurisdiction of the US. Play Law doesn't count.
President Obama was born a natural born citizen of the United States, not subject to any foreign power. He was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, tough.
Loser.
(Birfoons conflate citizenship with jurisdiction. Nobody who matters cares.) Grow up.

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<quoted text>of course he wasn't a visiting alien when his father left, he was an resident alien, that never took the time to be naturalized.
Sorry, loser, go look up the definition of resident alien.(Must be born beyond the limits of the US. Moron.)
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Grow up. President Obama when born in Hawaii was not a visiting alien. He wasn't entering a customs gate. He was born here. Duh!
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wojar wrote:
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"Local jurisdiction" does not pertain to local town laws. Rather it pertains to the jurisdiction of the host country. In the case of the US that includes US Constitutional law.
Grow up.
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hahahaha!! You F'ed up! We all know there are local, state and Federal Statutes and the King Daddy of them all, The US Conbstitution, which no alien is subject to.
I don't want to hang you, I left that for you to do! LMAO!!

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Puss, being born a citizen of another nation! Hell, he could have been born in the "Oval Office" and still not be born a citizen of the US, that is what the phrase,"and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the Constitution, was created for, you know "no foreign influence", per John Jay.
Play Law doesn't count, loser.

Born in the US: no foreign influence. Natural allegiance: US

Sorry.
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Grow up. President Obama when born in Hawaii was not a visiting alien. He wasn't entering a customs gate. He was born here. Duh!
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wojar wrote:
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Sorry, loser, go look up the definition of resident alien.(Must be born beyond the limits of the US. Moron.)
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The United States Attorney General in 1873 ruled the word “jurisdiction” under the Fourteenth Amendment to mean:
The word “jurisdiction” must be understood to mean absolute and complete jurisdiction, such as the United States had over its citizens before the adoption of this amendment… Aliens, among whom are persons born here and naturalized abroad, dwelling or being in this country, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States only to a limited extent. Political and military rights and duties do not pertain to them.(14 Op. Atty-Gen. 300.)

Of course, I doubt he ever understood the "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", but he did have part of it right.

You can't have complete jurisdiction,if you are born under the jurisdiction of another nation, who knows where you will go and what influence will place upon you.
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American Lady wrote:
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A citizen, Yes!
NOT a "natural born" one.
IF they NEVER naturalized BEFORE he was born !!!
Therefore NOT eligible to BE president!
Just like Marco Rubio :)
He didn't have to be naturalized to become a citizen.
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BREAKING! Two Huge Announcements on BHO'S Eligibility!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
WND.com PLUS youtube. Now THERE's credibility.

BREAKING? The only thing that's breaking is your brain.

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