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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131597 Dec 4, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The United States Attorney General in 1873 ruled the word “jurisdiction” under the Fourteenth Amendment to mean:
The word “jurisdiction” must be understood to mean absolute and complete jurisdiction, such as the United States had over its citizens before the adoption of this amendment… Aliens, among whom are persons born here and naturalized abroad, dwelling or being in this country, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States only to a limited extent. Political and military rights and duties do not pertain to them.(14 Op. Atty-Gen. 300.)
Of course, I doubt he ever understood the "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", but he did have part of it right.
You can't have complete jurisdiction,if you are born under the jurisdiction of another nation, who knows where you will go and what influence will place upon you.
Why do birfoons quite opinions that do not support their fantasies?

Is it because they don't read the opinions or because they simply cannot comprehend the English language?

In the above-cited opinion, the Attorney General, George H. Williams, stated that for a person born in the United States to become an alien, he would need to become naturalized in a foreign country.

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Incidentally, he was not addressing who is or is not born a US citizen, but rather the question of how one may re-acquire US citizenship after renouncing US citizenship and becoming a citizen of a foreign power. As such the birfoon is on the wrong page, as usual. The AG's opinion is not binding, and he certainly did not "rule" anything whatsoever. Had he been acting as a judge in writing his opinion, the opinion would not have been a holding in relation to who is born a citizen but rather dictum.

In other words, Play Law simply doesn't work. Play Judge Dale needs to put his toys away and grow up.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#131599 Dec 4, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
You Libtards really didn't think we would ever go away, did you?
Subpoena Granted for Obama’s Occidental College Records 4 December 2012
There has been much controversy surrounding President Barack Obama’s citizenship; and speculation that his Occidental College transcripts will provide proof of foreign citizenship, based on the application and receipt of a ‘non-US citizen’ scholarship to study in the U.S.
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire has secured a subpoena, from the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, to obtain the following from the Records Custodian at Occidental College:
1) All records related to Barack Hussein Obama, II, also known as Barack Hussein Obama, including, without limitation, application for admission and transcripts.
2) All records related to Barry Soetoro including, without limitation, application for admission and transcripts.
If proof of foreign citizenship is obtained somehow through these documents, then Barack Obama doesn’t meet the basic qualifications for the presidency.
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
Whether or not this is subpoena is upheld remains to be seen, but the stated deadline for the delivery of the documents to Dr. Ortiz’s office is December 14, 2012 at 11:00 a.m.
View the Subpoena: www.obamaballotchallenge.com or www.orlytaitzesq.com
Read more: http://MinuteMenNews.com/2012/12/subpoena-gra...
The subpoena is worthless. A subpoena is never "granted" but issued by clerk of the court.

Moreover, the subpoena is defected since under District Of Columbia, Superor court Civil Procedure Rules, the party requesting the subpoena which requires delivery of documents outside of Washington D.C. and in this case the delivery of documents to Orly's office in California, the requesting party neeeds to file an application and in this case there is no indication that such application was filed.

District of Columbia, Superior Court rules which set forths requirements of a subpoena provides in relevant part:

Rule 45(b)(2) Subpoena:

Subject to the provisions of clause (ii) of subparagraph (c)(3)(A) of this Rule, a subpoena for a hearing or trial may be served at any place within the District of Columbia, or at any place without the District of Columbia that is within 25 miles of the place of the hearing or trial; a subpoena for a deposition, production, or inspection may be served at any place which is within the District of Columbia or within 25 miles of the District of Columbia. When an applicable statute provides therefor, the Court upon PROPER APPLICATION AND CAUSE SHOWN may authorize the service of a subpoena at any other place. A subpoena directed to a witness in a foreign country who is a national or resident of the United States shall issue under the circumstances and in the manner and be served as provided in Title 28 U.S.C.§ 1783.

Did you know that Orly tried to subpoena the same college previously in a California court and was sanctioned $4000 in attorney fees
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131600 Dec 4, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do birfoons quite opinions that do not support their fantasies?
Is it because they don't read the opinions or because they simply cannot comprehend the English language?
In the above-cited opinion, the Attorney General, George H. Williams, stated that for a person born in the United States to become an alien, he would need to become naturalized in a foreign country.
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Incidentally, he was not addressing who is or is not born a US citizen, but rather the question of how one may re-acquire US citizenship after renouncing US citizenship and becoming a citizen of a foreign power. As such the birfoon is on the wrong page, as usual. The AG's opinion is not binding, and he certainly did not "rule" anything whatsoever. Had he been acting as a judge in writing his opinion, the opinion would not have been a holding in relation to who is born a citizen but rather dictum.
In other words, Play Law simply doesn't work. Play Judge Dale needs to put his toys away and grow up.
you having problems read today?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131601 Dec 4, 2012
"readng"

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#131602 Dec 4, 2012
correction:

defected = defective

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#131603 Dec 4, 2012
Bob Costas' anti tirade Sunday was bad enough but why did he choose that moment to give it. Behind him was not standard half-time entertainment but a ceremony to honor police officers and Bob Costas detracted from that event.
So I give Bob Costas a double thumbs down!

Bob Costas on Gun Control following Jovan Belcher tragedy Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131604 Dec 4, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you having problems read today?
What part of actual naturalization would "be necessary to make a person born in the United States an alien" do you not comprehend?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do birfoons quite opinions that do not support their fantasies?
Is it because they don't read the opinions or because they simply cannot comprehend the English language?
In the above-cited opinion, the Attorney General, George H. Williams, stated that for a person born in the United States to become an alien, he would need to become naturalized in a foreign country.
<><><>< ><>
Incidentally, he was not addressing who is or is not born a US citizen, but rather the question of how one may re-acquire US citizenship after renouncing US citizenship and becoming a citizen of a foreign power. As such the birfoon is on the wrong page, as usual. The AG's opinion is not binding, and he certainly did not "rule" anything whatsoever. Had he been acting as a judge in writing his opinion, the opinion would not have been a holding in relation to who is born a citizen but rather dictum.
In other words, Play Law simply doesn't work. Play Judge Dale needs to put his toys away and grow up.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131606 Dec 4, 2012
Play Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The United States Attorney General in 1873 ruled the word “jurisdiction” under the Fourteenth Amendment to mean:
Ruled?

“I have made the forgoing answers as specific as I can, to what are abstract propositions;”

What "ruling" are you referring to, Mr. Play Justice?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131608 Dec 4, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The United States Attorney General in 1873 ruled the word “jurisdiction” under the Fourteenth Amendment to mean:
The word “jurisdiction” must be understood to mean absolute and complete jurisdiction, such as the United States had over its citizens before the adoption of this amendment… Aliens, among whom are persons born here and naturalized abroad, dwelling or being in this country, are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States only to a limited extent. Political and military rights and duties do not pertain to them.(14 Op. Atty-Gen. 300.)
Of course, I doubt he ever understood the "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", but he did have part of it right.
Arguendo, suppose the parents of a person born in the US are not "under the complete jurisdiction" of the United States; but rather are are under the jurisdiction thereof, except for political rights and military obligations.

The 14th amendment of the Constitution does not refer to complete jurisdiction over the PARENTS but rather to jurisdiction over the children, who are not born "aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." (I'm referring to Senator Howard.)

Muddled thinking is the hallmark of Play Law. Sad.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#131610 Dec 4, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Bob Costas' anti tirade Sunday was bad enough but why did he choose that moment to give it. Behind him was not standard half-time entertainment but a ceremony to honor police officers and Bob Costas detracted from that event.
So I give Bob Costas a double thumbs down!
Bob Costas on Gun Control following Jovan Belcher tragedy Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
How many times have you slammed the police???? What a hypocrite!!!!
Tea Party Patriot

Midlothian, IL

#131611 Dec 4, 2012
If Obummer izant a moozlim than wye did he put pyramids on the back of are dollers?

Take are freedum contrie back.

Tea Party 2 iz comming.

Start packing demoncruds.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131613 Dec 4, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry birdbrain. AND NOT SUBJECT TO ANY FOREIGN POWER! What part is too complicated for your itty bitty brain? LMAO!!!
Huh? Your response establishes a ruling on the part of Attorney General George H. Williams?

Did you read the post you were responding to?

Of course not. UR a BIRFOON.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Ruled?
“I have made the forgoing answers as specific as I can, to what are abstract propositions;”
What "ruling" are you referring to, Mr. Play Justice?
Tea Party Patriot

Midlothian, IL

#131614 Dec 4, 2012
Why did Obummer not arested Benjamin Gazi for murdoring the 4 americas in the embissy?

Stop protacting the terrists Oscummer Bin Lieing.

Romknee 2013

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131615 Dec 4, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
What a stupid statement.
That's an eloquent rebuttal?

LMAO. Hee hee.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Arguendo, suppose the parents of a person born in the US are not "under the complete jurisdiction" of the United States; but rather are are under the jurisdiction thereof, except for political rights and military obligations.
The 14th amendment of the Constitution does not refer to complete jurisdiction over the PARENTS but rather to jurisdiction over the children, who are not born "aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers." (I'm referring to Senator Howard.)
Muddled thinking is the hallmark of Play Law. Sad.
Tea Party Patriot

Midlothian, IL

#131617 Dec 4, 2012
I just seen on the news that ACORN stolded the elecshun for Obummer.

Why wont the lame streem libertard meedia cover it.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131618 Dec 4, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Just seeing what kind of answer you had this week. LMAO! I don't think anyone reads what you post. They're all so ludicrous and flat out asinine. And you're still an irrelevant, insignificant, unAmerican imbecile. LOL!
And you still think crude name calling is an eloquent rebuttal.

Sad.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Huh? Your response establishes a ruling on the part of Attorney General George H. Williams?

Did you read the post you were responding to?
Of course not. UR a BIRFOON.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131620 Dec 4, 2012
Tea Party Patriot wrote:
I just seen on the news that ACORN stolded the elecshun for Obummer.
Why wont the lame streem libertard meedia cover it.
Man they are slick! Romney, the GOP, and the billion dollar corporations that contributed millions and millions of dollars to Mittens have not figured it out yet. Pretty remarkable for a bunch of clueless inept libtards who don't even know that a BC should have an embossed "seeyal".

Thank goodness for birfoon conspiracy theorists who think they know "the truth." Their hero will come to the rescue in the name of "truth, justice, and the American way!" It's a bird! It's a plane! It's SuperBirfoon!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#131623 Dec 4, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Bob Costas' anti tirade Sunday was bad enough but why did he choose that moment to give it. Behind him was not standard half-time entertainment but a ceremony to honor police officers and Bob Costas detracted from that event.
So I give Bob Costas a double thumbs down!
Bob Costas on Gun Control following Jovan Belcher tragedy Sunday
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times have you slammed the police???? What a hypocrite!!!!
I slam BAD cops, not good law enforcement officers. I don't care what type of civil servant you are, if you are corrupt, I will point my finger at you.
Now, why won't you address my point that Bob Costas should not have been address ANYTHING while the police ceremony was on??? It is disrespectful.
And talking about a hypocrite, how many times have I pointed out that it DID snow in Yucaipa, CA on April 9, 2011 and you won't acknowledge that it actually happened.
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/gallery...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#131625 Dec 4, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
How many times have you slammed the police???? What a hypocrite!!!!
How many times have I slammed G.W. Bush? How many times have I agreed with Obama?
I am an equal opportunity finger pointer and it is you who are the hypocrite because you will never give G.W. credit for anything and will never fault Obama.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#131627 Dec 4, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
But "twit" is ok, right? Frickin' hypocrite. BTW, why do you think you deserve an "eloquent" rebuttal? You have noticed how YOU treat people on here, correct? LMAO joke
I treat ludicrous birfoon fantasies with appropriate sarcasm.

Too bad you have no coherent rebuttal.

That's not my problem. Loser.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And you still think crude name calling is an eloquent rebuttal.
Sad.

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