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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#131406 Dec 3, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Kenyan -'so called'-father
Foreign :)
My father's father was born in Italy and my father's mother was born in France. Neither of them were naturalized citizens when my father was born in New York and yet my father was born a U.S. citizen.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131407 Dec 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Chief Justice Fuller who wrote the dissent in Wong Kim Ark lamented that Wong Kim Ark could run for the office of the President when he observed:
Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that “natural-born citizen” applied to EVERYBODY BORN within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the CHILDREN OF FOREIGNERS, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, WERE ELIGIBLE TO THE PRESIDENCY, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark,169, U.S. 649, 715 (1898)(C.J. Fuller, dissenting)(emphasis added)
As such, even the DISSENT in Wong Kim Ark acknowledged that the majority's holding would allow Wong Kim Ark to be eligible to the presidency
Oh my goodness! The dissent recognized the implications of the majority decision. And some birfoons wonder why they didn't invoke Play Law and declare the majority out of bounds and invalid ("DOA")! What is this world coming to!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131408 Dec 3, 2012
momfred wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=aZaxo6mqKv A …As many comment as there is on this thread its still Obama Birth is Kenyan,,I wont beleive any thing else
You can believe anything you want in your play world. Who cares?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131409 Dec 3, 2012
The Birfoon Creed.

“I am a birfoon. I believe that Ann Dunham took a joy ride to Kenya late in pregnancy and gave birth to the President in Kenya. She then smuggled him back into the US using satanic powers to cloak the infant from the eyes of Immigration officials in the US. Her evil momma (Evil Grannie) hoodwinked DOH into believing he was born in Hawaii at Kapiolani Hospital so that he could be elected President one day!(As foretold by Satanic soothsayers.)

Evildoers as far back as 1795, such as Zephaniah Swift, were in on the plot, claiming that birth in the US makes one a citizen! And James Madison had the unmitigated gall to say that place of birth is the most certain criterion of allegiance, and that it is what applies in the United States! John Jay was in on the plot. He personally recommended James Kent to be the first Professor of Law at the “Den of Satan,” Columbia University.

Their evil infection spread throughout the courts of the United States resulting in dastardly decisions such as Lynch v. Clarke, Look Tin Sing, Benny v. O’Brien, and the ultimate prostitute, the USSC agreed in US v. Ark!

We must take our country back from the likes of James Madison, Zephaniah Swift, James Kent, St. George Tucker, Chancellor Lewis Sandford, Justice Noah H. Swayne, Justice Stephen Field, and their ilk. We know that they were all Communists!”

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131410 Dec 3, 2012
Just me wrote:
<quoted text>
My father's father was born in Italy and my father's mother was born in France. Neither of them were naturalized citizens when my father was born in New York and yet my father was born a U.S. citizen.
BirfoonLady has the ultimate weapon to blunt your alien evil foreign influence!

She can spam from the Geneva Bible!
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Kenyan -'so called'-father
Foreign :)
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#131411 Dec 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Fox News Flash, The State of New York is asking our Federal Government for ....$42 BILLION for Hurricane Sandy disaster relief! Ah, New Orleans got only $30 BILLION and they had far worse damage than Sandy caused NYC!!!
Now, wait for the other states to put their hands out.
And a few years after Hurricane Katrina, we had the fraud investigations.
Audits: Millions of dollars in Katrina aid wasted
Reports cite scams, unused mobile homes; charges filed against 212
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11326973/ns/us_ne...
Both New Orleans and NY/NJ were hit awfully hard, Rogue. It's your notion that this is just a matter of one wanting more than the other? Compare the populations of N.O. and NY/NJ, and the number of structures affected. That may give you an inkling of why the financial burden may be higher up north. Add inflation of atg least 20% since New Orleans.

As to wasted aid and scams, why don't you query Halliburton. According to Vanity Fair, over $1.2 billion are still unaccounted for. Oh, you can't really ask them, now can you? Halliburton has relocated to Saudi Arabia. Wonder why?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131412 Dec 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
A person born in the United States is a citizen regardless as to the citizenship status of his or her parents. An alien by legal definition is a person born outside the United States. There is no such thing as a native born alien. That term doesn't exist.
In fact, courts only recognized two types of citizens, natural born or naturalized. Moreove, courts have established that naturalization acts only apply to those born OUTSIDE the United States.
Therefore, using birthers logic, if Obama is a native born alien then he can't be a natural born citizen and neither can be naturalized citizen since he was born in the United States.
Only reason the language of the Fourteenth differs from the civil rights bill of 1866, which used the language “and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed” to restrict citizenship, is because Sen. Howard feared a State could begin taxing Indians, thereby making them eligible for citizenship. Because Indians, and other classes of foreigners whom Congress and the States desired to withhold citizenship from, owed allegiance to a foreign power (Indian tribes were considered independent nations), the Fourteenth would become just as restrictive against Indians by demanding full jurisdiction on part of the United States as with any other class of foreigners.

Aliens have never been "subject to thje jurisdiction, thereof
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131415 Dec 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
A person born in the United States is a citizen regardless as to the citizenship status of his or her parents. An alien by legal definition is a person born outside the United States. There is no such thing as a native born alien. That term doesn't exist.
In fact, courts only recognized two types of citizens, natural born or naturalized. Moreove, courts have established that naturalization acts only apply to those born OUTSIDE the United States.
Therefore, using birthers logic, if Obama is a native born alien then he can't be a natural born citizen and neither can be naturalized citizen since he was born in the United States.
An Act of April 9, 1866 established for the first time a national law that read,“all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed.” Rep. John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments, said this national law (Section 1992 of the US Revised Statutes) was “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, therefore not eligable to receive US citizenship.

“Reduce immigration levels”

Since: Dec 06

Kings Mountain, NC

#131416 Dec 3, 2012
BREAKING! Two Huge Announcements on BHO'S Eligibility!
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131417 Dec 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Only reason the language of the Fourteenth differs from the civil rights bill of 1866, which used the language “and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed” to restrict citizenship, is because Sen. Howard feared a State could begin taxing Indians, thereby making them eligible for citizenship. Because Indians, and other classes of foreigners whom Congress and the States desired to withhold citizenship from, owed allegiance to a foreign power (Indian tribes were considered independent nations), the Fourteenth would become just as restrictive against Indians by demanding full jurisdiction on part of the United States as with any other class of foreigners.
Aliens have never been "subject to thje jurisdiction, thereof
Gibberish.

Other classes of aliens (not born within the limits of the US) in the US owe local allegiance to the US while here, per US law. If they pay taxes, that doesn't make them citizens.

Indians in 1866 (born within the limits of the US) would have been considered citizens if taxed, as persons born under the jurisdiction -- subject to US law.

Grow up. It's US law that counts, not Play Law.
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
A person born in the United States is a citizen regardless as to the citizenship status of his or her parents. An alien by legal definition is a person born outside the United States. There is no such thing as a native born alien. That term doesn't exist.
In fact, courts only recognized two types of citizens, natural born or naturalized. Moreove, courts have established that naturalization acts only apply to those born OUTSIDE the United States.
Therefore, using birthers logic, if Obama is a native born alien then he can't be a natural born citizen and neither can be naturalized citizen since he was born in the United States.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131418 Dec 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
Jus soli: borne here a citizen = natural born citizen.
All persons born to US Citizens (at least the Father) "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, are natural Born citizens, not everyone born in the US are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", and this doesn't mean the children of Ambassadors/family.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131419 Dec 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”
Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822).
Yup, even in Kentucky they[1] understood a natural born citizen is a person born in the United States, even if the parents were aliens.
_______
[1] Not including BirfoonLady and Tacky/
looks like Howard's intent has made your aregument null and voild, and it was ratified in 1868.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#131420 Dec 3, 2012
Just me wrote:
<quoted text>
My father's father was born in Italy and my father's mother was born in France. Neither of them were naturalized citizens when my father was born in New York and yet my father was born a U.S. citizen.
A citizen, Yes!
NOT a "natural born" one.

IF they NEVER naturalized BEFORE he was born !!!
Therefore NOT eligible to BE president!
Just like Marco Rubio :)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131421 Dec 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>All persons born to US Citizens (at least the Father) "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, are natural Born citizens, not everyone born in the US are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", and this doesn't mean the children of Ambassadors/family.
Correct. Children of foreign hostile occupying troops are also excluded from natural born citizenship.
wojar wrote:
Jus soli: borne here a citizen = natural born citizen.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131422 Dec 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Gibberish.
Other classes of aliens (not born within the limits of the US) in the US owe local allegiance to the US while here, per US law. If they pay taxes, that doesn't make them citizens.
Indians in 1866 (born within the limits of the US) would have been considered citizens if taxed, as persons born under the jurisdiction -- subject to US law.
Grow up. It's US law that counts, not Play Law.
<quoted text>
hahaha!! Try drafting a visiting alien, then you will see where their allegiance are, the same please as they were when entering the custom's gate, outside this country.
Puss, you are real funny tonite, per US law! LMAOOO!!!!
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#131423 Dec 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I suspect this homeless man has some mental issues and I am not sure what the correct answer is. Because of LIBERAL laws you can not lockup someone to protect themselves from themselves.
Homeless man grateful for boots, but barefoot again
By Dylan Stableford, Yahoo! News | The Lookout –
The homeless man who was photographed in being given a pair of boots by a New York City police officer in Times Square on a bitterly cold night last month was spotted on the Upper West Side on Sunday. And he was once again barefoot.
"Those shoes are hidden," Jeffrey Hillman, the 54-year-old homeless man, told the New York Times. "They are worth a lot of money--I could lose my life."
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/nypd-home...
Rogue, what a foolish comment. In CA, a liberal state as you no doubt already know, people who threaten or attempt suicide are placed on a mandatory 72 hour lock up.

It's completely normal for homeless people to not carry or wear anything nice or new for fear of being beaten or even killed. The man clearly states that's the reason he hid the boots.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131424 Dec 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>An Act of April 9, 1866 established for the first time a national law that read,“all persons born in the United States, and not subject to any foreign power, excluding Indians not taxed.” Rep. John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments, said this national law (Section 1992 of the US Revised Statutes) was “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”
Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, therefore not eligable to receive US citizenship.
Sorry, loser, Play Law doesn't count.

President Obama's parents owed allegiance to the United States. His mother owed permanent allegiance and his father owed local (temporary) allegiance according to US Law. Again, Play Law doesn't count.

Nevertheless, all that counts is that Barack Obama II owed immediate natural allegiance to the US at the time of birth. Even if his father had been living in London, under the jurisdiction of the Crown, it would not matter. The President was born in the US under the jurisdiction of the US. Play Law doesn't count.

President Obama was born a natural born citizen of the United States, not subject to any foreign power. He was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, tough.

Loser.

(Birfoons conflate citizenship with jurisdiction. Nobody who matters cares.) Grow up.
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
A person born in the United States is a citizen regardless as to the citizenship status of his or her parents. An alien by legal definition is a person born outside the United States. There is no such thing as a native born alien. That term doesn't exist.
In fact, courts only recognized two types of citizens, natural born or naturalized. Moreove, courts have established that naturalization acts only apply to those born OUTSIDE the United States.
Therefore, using birthers logic, if Obama is a native born alien then he can't be a natural born citizen and neither can be naturalized citizen since he was born in the United States.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131425 Dec 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Correct. Children of foreign hostile occupying troops are also excluded from natural born citizenship.
<quoted text>
Correct, and all persons born subject to any foreign power.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131426 Dec 3, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahaha!! Try drafting a visiting alien, then you will see where their allegiance are, the same please as they were when entering the custom's gate, outside this country.
Puss, you are real funny tonite, per US law! LMAOOO!!!!
Grow up. President Obama when born in Hawaii was not a visiting alien. He wasn't entering a customs gate. He was born here. Duh!
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Gibberish.
Other classes of aliens (not born within the limits of the US) in the US owe local allegiance to the US while here, per US law. If they pay taxes, that doesn't make them citizens.
Indians in 1866 (born within the limits of the US) would have been considered citizens if taxed, as persons born under the jurisdiction -- subject to US law.
Grow up. It's US law that counts, not Play Law.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131427 Dec 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, loser, Play Law doesn't count.
President Obama's parents owed allegiance to the United States. His mother owed permanent allegiance and his father owed local (temporary) allegiance according to US Law. Again, Play Law doesn't count.
Nevertheless, all that counts is that Barack Obama II owed immediate natural allegiance to the US at the time of birth. Even if his father had been living in London, under the jurisdiction of the Crown, it would not matter. The President was born in the US under the jurisdiction of the US. Play Law doesn't count.
President Obama was born a natural born citizen of the United States, not subject to any foreign power. He was born subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, tough.
Loser.
(Birfoons conflate citizenship with jurisdiction. Nobody who matters cares.) Grow up.
<quoted text>
Well, thank you for clarifying what allegiance visiting aliens are under! See I told you aliens are not "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, only local laws, according to you.
Sr. owed the US nothing, his son was born subject to his country of origin.

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