BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 190216 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131389 Dec 3, 2012
“As a result of the adoption of the amendment, whatever differences existed between statesmen and jurists on the general subject prior to the War Between the States was put to rest, and it may now be stated as an established rule that every person born within the United States (except in the case of children of ambassadors, etc.), whether born of parents who are themselves citizens of the United States or of foreign parents, is a citizen of the United States.” Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 411 (App.D.C. 1938), modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131390 Dec 3, 2012
“This doctrine of citizenship by reason of place of
birth is spoken of by the writers on the subject as
the jus soli or common law doctrine.”
Id. at 410.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131391 Dec 3, 2012
Jus soli: borne here a citizen = natural born citizen.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131392 Dec 3, 2012
Corr: born

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131393 Dec 3, 2012
Excerpted from US v. Ark:

"Chancellor Kent, in his Commentaries, speaking of the 'general division of the inhabitants of every country under the comprehensive title of aliens and natives,'
says:
Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the United States. This is the rule of the common law, without any regard or reference to the political condition or allegiance of their parents, with the exception of the children of ambassadors, who are in theory born within the allegiance of the foreign power they represent.... "

...

"And he elsewhere says:
And if, at common law, all human beings born within the ligeance of the King, and under the King's obedience, were natural-born subjects, and not aliens, I do not perceive why this doctrine does not apply to these United States, in all cases in which there is no express constitutional or statute declaration to the contrary.... Subject and citizen are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives, and though the term citizen seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, subjects, for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land."

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#131394 Dec 3, 2012
wojar wrote:
Excerpted from US v. Ark:
"Chancellor Kent, in his Commentaries, speaking of the 'general division of the inhabitants of every country under the comprehensive title of aliens and natives,'
says:
Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the United States. This is the rule of the common law, without any regard or reference to the political condition or allegiance of their parents, with the exception of the children of ambassadors, who are in theory born within the allegiance of the foreign power they represent.... "
...
"And he elsewhere says:
And if, at common law, all human beings born within the ligeance of the King, and under the King's obedience, were natural-born subjects, and not aliens, I do not perceive why this doctrine does not apply to these United States, in all cases in which there is no express constitutional or statute declaration to the contrary.... Subject and citizen are, in a degree, convertible terms as applied to natives, and though the term citizen seems to be appropriate to republican freemen, yet we are, equally with the inhabitants of all other countries, subjects, for we are equally bound by allegiance and subjection to the government and law of the land."
Chief Justice Fuller who wrote the dissent in Wong Kim Ark lamented that Wong Kim Ark could run for the office of the President when he observed:

Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that “natural-born citizen” applied to EVERYBODY BORN within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the CHILDREN OF FOREIGNERS, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, WERE ELIGIBLE TO THE PRESIDENCY, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark,169, U.S. 649, 715 (1898)(C.J. Fuller, dissenting)(emphasis added)

As such, even the DISSENT in Wong Kim Ark acknowledged that the majority's holding would allow Wong Kim Ark to be eligible to the presidency

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131395 Dec 3, 2012
“It is an established maxim that birth is a criterion of allegiance. Birth however derives its force sometimes from place and sometimes from parentage, but in general place is the most certain criterion; it is what applies in the United States; it will therefore be unnecessary to investigate any other.”
–James Madison

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131396 Dec 3, 2012
“That a man born within the jurisdiction of the common law is a citizen of the country wherein he is born. By this circumstance of his birth, he is subjected to the duty of allegiance which is claimed and enforced by the sovereign of his native land, and becomes reciprocally entitled to the protection of that sovereign, and to the other rights and advantages which are included in the term ‘citizenship.’” Zephaniah Swift, A system of the laws of the state of Connecticut. Six Book 167 (1795).

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131397 Dec 3, 2012
“The country where one is born, how accidental soever his birth in that place may have been, and although his parents belong to another country, is that to which he owes allegiance. Hence the expression natural born subject or citizen, & all the relations thereout growing. To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”
Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822).

Yup, even in Kentucky they[1] understood a natural born citizen is a person born in the United States, even if the parents were aliens.

_______

[1] Not including BirfoonLady and Tacky/
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#131398 Dec 3, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
The Ripoffreport? Okie Dokie
Imagine this happening to your son. Fortunately the family received a settlement of $8.25M. I wonder how much they would have received if this case was presented to a jury. Even some of the jail employees testified this young man was murdered and Arpaio doesn’t think his officers did anything wrong.



How about this young mother dying from a diabetes induced coma because the jail staff ignored her pleas for help?

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/local_news/inve...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0115se...

http://www.examiner.com/article/death-at-the-...
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#131399 Dec 3, 2012
American Lady wrote:
TUESDAY, OCTOBER 16, 2012
The Birthers are here to stay!- Polls show "Birthers" are not a fringe group
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/10/the...
Many of the national opinion polls show that a large segment of the citizens still have questions about Obama’s questionable history, and they still want answers! In a July 2012 poll 45% of the general public and 69% of Republicans have doubts about Obama’s birthplace. Many voters have been influenced away from voting for Obama because of the obvious cover up of Obama’s past. Just type these search words into Google and see for yourself: obama eligible poll.
http://thesteadydrip.blogspot.com/2012/07/evi...
Flashback: Poll: 46% Doubt Obama’s Eligibility
July 13, 2012 <<---<<<
Over 140 million Americans either believe Barack Obama is ineligible or doubt Obama is eligible, a WND/Wenzell poll found. The scientific telephone survey poll was taken March 10-13, 2012 and has a margin of error of 3.72 percentage points.
The poll found a whopping 29.8% believe Obama is ineligible. Add another 16% who have their doubts. That equals 46% who doubt Obama’s eligibility, nearly a majority of Americans.
http://www.usanewsfirst.com/2012/07/13/poll-4...
Do they happened to mention how many of those polled laughed and hung up when asked that question?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131400 Dec 3, 2012
“To this there are but few exceptions, and they are mostly introduced by statutes and treaty regulations, such as the children of seamen and ambassadors born abroad, and the like.”
Amy v. Smith, 11 Ky. 326, 340 (Ky. 1822).

Exceptions are mostly introduced by treaty regulations?

How can that be?

Play Justice Dale has ruled that US sovereignty depends upon treaty regulations.

My goodness! Those dastardly satanic pinko commie Kentucky judges were at it in 1822!

What a conspiracy! Someone please call Alex Jones!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#131401 Dec 3, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You're such a sweet little kid. Go play now.
Fox News Flash, The State of New York is asking our Federal Government for ....$42 BILLION for Hurricane Sandy disaster relief! Ah, New Orleans got only $30 BILLION and they had far worse damage than Sandy caused NYC!!!
Now, wait for the other states to put their hands out.

And a few years after Hurricane Katrina, we had the fraud investigations.

Audits: Millions of dollars in Katrina aid wasted
Reports cite scams, unused mobile homes; charges filed against 212
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11326973/ns/us_ne...

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#131403 Dec 3, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Pre-empting, just pre-empting, Rogue. Seeing as all and any misfortune can be attributed to Obama, what the hell, why not this one? Oh, DJIA's down 41 pts now. Obama again. Who's going to stop this bad man?
The REPUBLICAN in Congress can! I am not sure if they have the gonads to stop him but the House does have the power.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#131404 Dec 3, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
The REPUBLICAN in Congress can! I am not sure if they have the gonads to stop him but the House does have the power.
Sigh
Learn to Read

Chicago, IL

#131405 Dec 3, 2012
momfred wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=aZaxo6mqKv A Â…As many comment as there is on this thread its still Obama Birth is Kenyan,,I wont beleive any thing else
Another incoherent moron. Just what this thread needed
Just me

Los Angeles, CA

#131406 Dec 3, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Kenyan -'so called'-father
Foreign :)
My father's father was born in Italy and my father's mother was born in France. Neither of them were naturalized citizens when my father was born in New York and yet my father was born a U.S. citizen.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131407 Dec 3, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Chief Justice Fuller who wrote the dissent in Wong Kim Ark lamented that Wong Kim Ark could run for the office of the President when he observed:
Considering the circumstances surrounding the framing of the Constitution, I submit that it is unreasonable to conclude that “natural-born citizen” applied to EVERYBODY BORN within the geographical tract known as the United States, irrespective of circumstances; and that the CHILDREN OF FOREIGNERS, happening to be born to them while passing through the country, whether of royal parentage or not, or whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, WERE ELIGIBLE TO THE PRESIDENCY, while children of our citizens, born abroad, were not.” United States v. Wong Kim Ark,169, U.S. 649, 715 (1898)(C.J. Fuller, dissenting)(emphasis added)
As such, even the DISSENT in Wong Kim Ark acknowledged that the majority's holding would allow Wong Kim Ark to be eligible to the presidency
Oh my goodness! The dissent recognized the implications of the majority decision. And some birfoons wonder why they didn't invoke Play Law and declare the majority out of bounds and invalid ("DOA")! What is this world coming to!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131408 Dec 3, 2012
momfred wrote:
youtube.com/watch?v=aZaxo6mqKv A …As many comment as there is on this thread its still Obama Birth is Kenyan,,I wont beleive any thing else
You can believe anything you want in your play world. Who cares?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#131409 Dec 3, 2012
The Birfoon Creed.

“I am a birfoon. I believe that Ann Dunham took a joy ride to Kenya late in pregnancy and gave birth to the President in Kenya. She then smuggled him back into the US using satanic powers to cloak the infant from the eyes of Immigration officials in the US. Her evil momma (Evil Grannie) hoodwinked DOH into believing he was born in Hawaii at Kapiolani Hospital so that he could be elected President one day!(As foretold by Satanic soothsayers.)

Evildoers as far back as 1795, such as Zephaniah Swift, were in on the plot, claiming that birth in the US makes one a citizen! And James Madison had the unmitigated gall to say that place of birth is the most certain criterion of allegiance, and that it is what applies in the United States! John Jay was in on the plot. He personally recommended James Kent to be the first Professor of Law at the “Den of Satan,” Columbia University.

Their evil infection spread throughout the courts of the United States resulting in dastardly decisions such as Lynch v. Clarke, Look Tin Sing, Benny v. O’Brien, and the ultimate prostitute, the USSC agreed in US v. Ark!

We must take our country back from the likes of James Madison, Zephaniah Swift, James Kent, St. George Tucker, Chancellor Lewis Sandford, Justice Noah H. Swayne, Justice Stephen Field, and their ilk. We know that they were all Communists!”

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