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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131168 Dec 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, the US Constitution does not recognize a dual-citizenship.
Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, this you can't deny.
Little doggie going in circles chasing his tail.
The US Constitution does not recognize any special status for US citizens who are considered citizens by a foreign country. Children of German parents born in the US have always been natural born citizens and there is nothing you can do about it. Play Law doesn't count.
wojar wrote:
Nope, their fathers were not born on German reservations in the US either.
BTW, German citizenship by descent does not depend upon on US (or any foreign) law and vice versa. A child born in England in 1930 of a German father and British mother was both German and British.
UR not working with a full deck.
<quoted text>
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#131170 Dec 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
jacqazz, you're a dumbazz. Look this word up..."sarcasm"! LMAO!!!
Strange, and it happens all the time. When you're wrong, and in this case, when you misunderstood the whole deal, you chalk it up to "sarcasm", a notion totally foreign to you. You got the Rogue thing wrong, off-base, misunderstood it completely, thought I was blaming him for bad economic news, so pathetic. Just admit you once more got it wrong, you're fooling no one. Keep repeating it, though, and you'll soon believe it's true, like November 6 2012 never happened, ha ha.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#131172 Dec 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You idiots have already proven you haven't a clue when someone is pulling your leg. Remember, you voted for a liar and fraud not once but twice! LMAO!!!
That last sentence belongs to GWB's second election. Copycat.

64.5 million people voted for a liar and a fraud. Wow. That's a lot of people.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131175 Dec 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, the US Constitution does not recognize a dual-citizenship.
Obama was born a citizen of his father's nation, this you can't deny.
Irrelevant. US citizenship is determined according to US law, not foreign law.
Play Law doesn't count.
The President was born in the US subject to the jurisdiction of the United States -- a natural born citizen. There is no Play Law exception.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#131176 Dec 2, 2012
U-Turn: Senate Moves to Eliminate Indefinite Detention Provision of NDAA
...
Of then ten Senators sponsoring the bill, eight of them voted in support of the legislation in December of 2011, including Sen. Feinstein.

While we are in full support of eliminating the indefinite detention provisions of the NDAA, as well as the ambiguous definitions for what is or is not a domestic terrorist as per the Patriot Act, the NDAA in its current form should never have been passed in the first place.

http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/u-turn-...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131179 Dec 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Little doggie going in circles chasing his tail.
The US Constitution does not recognize any special status for US citizens who are considered citizens by a foreign country. Children of German parents born in the US have always been natural born citizens and there is nothing you can do about it. Play Law doesn't count.
<quoted text>
Sorry, the US can't strip the citizenship of anyone, unless they request naturalization. That being said, persons born in this nation and subject to a foreign power, do not aquire US Citizenship.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131180 Dec 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Tell us the difference moron.
Already have, ad nauseam. You need to explain how anyone can take you seriously that Madison, Kent, the USSC, the Congress, the judges of the US are all wrong when you have a three word vocabulary.
wojar wrote:
President James Madison, Chancellor James Kent, Supreme Court Justices over many generations, appellate and district courts of the US "switch up" jurisdiction and allegiance in LRS's play world.
Grow up.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131181 Dec 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Irrelevant. US citizenship is determined according to US law, not foreign law.
Play Law doesn't count.
The President was born in the US subject to the jurisdiction of the United States -- a natural born citizen. There is no Play Law exception.
Yes it does and it has spoken, persons born here subject to a foreign power, do not acquire US citizenship, since they are already subject to the jurisdiction of another nation at birth.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#131182 Dec 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Already have, ad nauseam. You need to explain how anyone can take you seriously that Madison, Kent, the USSC, the Congress, the judges of the US are all wrong when you have a three word vocabulary.
<quoted text>
Once again the buttflap can't answer an elementary question. LMAO! No surprise though. If you can't understand our laws perhaps you should leave? Dolt.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131183 Dec 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, the US can't strip the citizenship of anyone, unless they request naturalization. That being said, persons born in this nation and subject to a foreign power, do not aquire US Citizenship.
Children born of German (or foreign parents in general) parents in the US have always been natural born US citizens. Germany is free to consider them whatever she wants. Has no bearing according to US law. Play Law doesn't count. C.f. President Obama is PRESIDENT.
wojar wrote:
Little doggie going in circles chasing his tail.
The US Constitution does not recognize any special status for US citizens who are considered citizens by a foreign country. Children of German parents born in the US have always been natural born citizens and there is nothing you can do about it. Play Law doesn't count.
<quoted text>

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131184 Dec 2, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Yes it does and it has spoken, persons born here subject to a foreign power, do not acquire US citizenship, since they are already subject to the jurisdiction of another nation at birth.
Subject to Play Law jurisdiction doesn't count.
wojar wrote:
Irrelevant. US citizenship is determined according to US law, not foreign law.
Play Law doesn't count.
The President was born in the US subject to the jurisdiction of the United States -- a natural born citizen. There is no Play Law exception.
Tea Party Patriot

Chicago, IL

#131185 Dec 2, 2012
only fore more yeers and you democruds are out.

I seen many poles that sayed we are win in 2016 so start packing your bags Obummer Pelosey Reed

Taked our contry back 2016 for reel this time. No, cerialisly.

Its over dumbocrats. This time we meen it.

2016 is neer.
Tea Party Patriot

Chicago, IL

#131186 Dec 2, 2012
New Rassmutant poles sayed Obummer loosing by big land slide in 2016.

Blackened panthers cant fix the vote this time

we tooked are contry back
Tea Party Patriot

Chicago, IL

#131187 Dec 2, 2012
Tell truth Obummer and stop lieing to the Americas.

Reel patriots no that you hired Ben Gazi to murder fore americans as you wached from you hd tv tubes.
Lincoln Duncan

United States

#131188 Dec 2, 2012
Tea Party Patriot wrote:
only fore more yeers and you democruds are out.
I seen many poles that sayed we are win in 2016 so start packing your bags Obummer Pelosey Reed
Taked our contry back 2016 for reel this time. No, cerialisly.
Its over dumbocrats. This time we meen it.
2016 is neer.
President Mitt Romney depended on the same fox polls.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131189 Dec 2, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Once again the buttflap can't answer an elementary question. LMAO! No surprise though. If you can't understand our laws perhaps you should leave? Dolt.
You have it ass backwards, as usual. I don't answer to you. I use allegiance and jurisdiction in the same sense as used by Madison, Kent, the USSC, the Congress, and most every educated person. If you have a problem please explain how they are all wrong. Your problem, not mine.
wojar wrote:
Already have, ad nauseam. You need to explain how anyone can take you seriously that Madison, Kent, the USSC, the Congress, the judges of the US are all wrong when you have a three word vocabulary.
<quoted text>
American Lady

Danville, KY

#131190 Dec 2, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>

Your folderol theory that this language also exludes aliens as being subject of the jurisdiction of the United States has no basis in fact or in law.
Do yourself a favor and read the congressional debates during the drafting of the 14th Amendment.
REMOVED some to fit mine ...

[Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen THAT I posted yesterday! And you libTARDS are TOO LAZY to read!]

CHAPTER VIII.:
THE CREATION OF A SYSTEM OF RIGHTS OF MAN AND OF CITIZENS DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.- Georg Jellinek, The Declaration of the Rights of Man and of Citizens:

A Contribution to Modern Constitutional History

CHAPTER VIII.

THE CREATION OF A SYSTEM OF RIGHTS OF MAN AND OF CITIZENS DURING THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION.

{{[10.]The entire text reproduced in Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States}} The WHOLE STORY story HERE!
[http://www.lonang.com/exlibri s/story/]

http://oll.libertyfund.org/...
==========
For you "dweebs" out there:

LAW is VERY complex.

THAT is the REASON the US Constitution was written is such language a "lay person" could read it and understand it!

AS IN:

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5
No Person except a "natural born" Citizen,{{or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,}} shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

1.Records of the Federal Convention
2.Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3: 1472--73, 1833

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/...

On July 24th Jay took the floor to express the hope that unanimous agreement could be reached for a second convention, striking a harmonious note: "We are now one people, all pledged for amendments." Toward the very end of the ratifying convention, on July 25th, Jay himself proposed an amendment barring all except "natural born citizens," who were freeholders as well (with some specified exceptions) from eligibility as President, Vice President, or as members of either house of Congress, a restriction even more severe than that which he had proposed to Washington in July of 1787.
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/digital/exhib...

Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5
Document 1
Records of the Federal Convention
[[[**Farrand, Max, ed. The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787. Rev. ed. 4 vols. New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1937.]]]
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/docum...

**Farrand's Records Home Page: U.S. Congressional Documents
memory.loc.gov American Memory Lawmaking Home One of the great scholarly works of the early twentieth century was Max Farrand's Published in 1911,
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwfr.html

The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, 3vols.
http://oll.libertyfund.org/...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#131191 Dec 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
You have it ass backwards, as usual. I don't answer to you. I use allegiance and jurisdiction in the same sense as used by Madison, Kent, the USSC, the Congress, and most every educated person. If you have a problem please explain how they are all wrong. Your problem, not mine.
<quoted text>
Squid, I'm getting tired of teaching you. First, it's backazzwards. Allegiance is loyalty. Jurisdiction is laws. See how simple that is and notice how different they are. Mobarf, you are a problem from head to toe. Take a hike sausageboi. LMAO!!!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131192 Dec 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Children born of German (or foreign parents in general) parents in the US have always been natural born US citizens. Germany is free to consider them whatever she wants. Has no bearing according to US law. Play Law doesn't count. C.f. President Obama is PRESIDENT.
<quoted text>
that is just another lie out of the Ark case.
Oh, thanks for being patient, had to get some beer.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#131193 Dec 2, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Subject to Play Law jurisdiction doesn't count.
<quoted text>
there you go again, calling the Constitution Play law.

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