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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Opensecrets org

Bay Shore, NY

#131039 Dec 1, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I meant; Better an American than an unAmerican, insignificant and irrelevant Canadian! LMAO!!!
Debunking the 'Fiscal Cliff'
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November 30, 2012 / http://tinyurl.com/cuwj5qy
In an encore broadcast, Moyers & Company presents “United States of ALEC,” a report on the most influential corporate-funded political force most of America has never heard of — ALEC, the American Legislative Exchange Council. A national consortium of state politicians and powerful corporations, ALEC presents itself as a “nonpartisan public-private partnership”. But behind that mantra lies a vast network of corporate lobbying and political action aimed to increase corporate profits at public expense without public knowledge.
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http://billmoyers.com/episode/encore-united-s...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#131041 Dec 1, 2012
Nuculur option wrote:
<quoted text>
A perfect description for the birfers!! And for you, with your Long Running Stupidity!!
Folks like you are so remarkably ignorant and racist that they still cling to long disproven theories promoted by the likes of Orly Taitz and Donald Trump.
You tried your bullshit on the Obama thread. You were run off in a matter of hours, left to retreat to the dumbest thread on Topix.
So how'd the SC thingie work out for you, loser??
Must really gall you that Obama easily won re-election.
Makes your arguments even more lame than they were before, if that's possible!!
You lunatic fringe types grow more desperate by the day!!
Hey Mobarf! LMAO!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#131042 Dec 1, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Cynic, nothing else. Do you think that the extra taxes he wants to pay are also tax write-offs?
Surely you're not suggesting that he didn't use those donations as write-offs, are you? BTW, we always pay more than we actually have to.
Grand Birther

United States

#131043 Dec 1, 2012
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#131044 Dec 1, 2012
Nuculur option wrote:
<quoted text>
A perfect description for the birfers!! And for you, with your Long Running Stupidity!!
Folks like you are so remarkably ignorant and racist that they still cling to long disproven theories promoted by the likes of Orly Taitz and Donald Trump.
You tried your bullshit on the Obama thread. You were run off in a matter of hours, left to retreat to the dumbest thread on Topix.
So how'd the SC thingie work out for you, loser??
Must really gall you that Obama easily won re-election.
Makes your arguments even more lame than they were before, if that's possible!!
You lunatic fringe types grow more desperate by the day!!
What the hell is this squid crying about? That SC thingie? The Obama thread? What a pile of pigshat you are. Whoever you are. Dem or Mobarf? I laugh my azz off at stoolpigeons like you who are too stupid to spot a con man selling snake oil. LMAO!!!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#131045 Dec 1, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
Waz up "Leaky Lizard"? HaHaHa

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131047 Dec 1, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen
To celebrate Bastille Day this year we have a beautiful poster which was printed at the time of the issuing of the Declaration to spread its message throughout the country. It was designed to be hung in public places so that ordinary people could see what the Assembly was doing in their name. George Jellinek in his study of the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of Citizens (1895, English trans. by Max Farand 1901) argues that the French were strongly influenced by the precedents of the American states' constitutions and bill of rights which were developed during the American Revolution. Here is an example:
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...
James Wilson and the American Constitution
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...
he origin and purposes of federal diversity jurisdiction have long been debated. It was created when the Constitution was first adopted, a time when loyalty to one's state was usually stronger than feelings for the United States. It was undoubtedly intended to balance national purposes with the independence of the states. Chief Justice John Marshall of the Supreme Court wrote in Bank of United States v. Deveaux, 9 U.S.(5 Cranch) 61, 87, 3 L. Ed. 38 (1809):
However true the fact may be, that the tribunals of the states will administer justice as impartially as those of the nation,… it is not less true that the constitution itself either entertains apprehensions on this subject, or views with such indulgence the possible fears and apprehensions of suitors, that it has established national tribunals for the decision of controversies … between citizens of different states.
Some scholars believe that the opportunity to take business and commercial disputes into an impartial federal court helped to encourage investment in the developing South and West. People from the industrialized Northeast felt more secure when their financial transactions in other states were not necessarily at the mercy of local prejudices.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
Civil Procedure
Subject Matter Jurisdiction
Subject matter jurisdiction (as opposed to personal jurisdiction) refers to the question of whether a particular court has the power or competence to decide the kind of controversy that is involved.(Friedenthal § 2.1) Note that subject matter jurisdiction is not an alternative to personal jurisdiction (the court's authority to enter a judgment binding on the particular defendant involved) but rather is an additional hurdle to be cleared.
http://www.west.net/~smith/smjuris.htm
==========
For you "dweebs" out there:
LAW is VERY complex.
THAT is the REASON the US Constitution was written is such language a "lay person" could read it and understand it!
AS IN:
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5
No Person except a "natural born" Citizen,
Then why can't BirfoonLady understand Art. 3 Sec. 1?

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#131048 Dec 1, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Whomever spammed my comment ARE the "nutty & clueless" ONES! ;~)
"Natural Born Citizen of the United States of America" clause of our US Constitution requiring the President of the United States to be a 'Natural born citizen of the USA' IS taken directly from scripture and it IS written into 'our constitution' based on what they themselves had read in the Bible in Deuteronomy 17:14-15, based on God's instructions to the Nation of Israel for choosing a king.
Deuteronomy 17:14-15
In this part of the Bible, God tells the Israelites that in order to qualify as King of Israel a man must be a "natural born" Israelite ... 14 ¶ When thou shalt come unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee,
and shalt possess it, and dwell therein, if thou say, I will set a King over me, like
as all the nations that are about me, 15 Then thou shalt make him King over thee, whom the LORD thy God shall
choose, from among thy brethren shalt thou make a King over thee; thou shalt
not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.
http://www.genevabible.org/files/Geneva_Bible...
The libTARDS and their days of destroying this nation are numbered ...
And they KNOW iT!
That is WHY they dispute everything a Conservative says!
2 Chronicles 7:14-16 Geneva Bible
14
If my people, among whom my Name is called upon, do humble themselves,
and pray, and seek my presence, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I
hear in heaven, and be merciful to their sin, and will heal their land:
15
Then mine eyes shall be open and mine ears attent unto the prayer made in
this place.
16
For I have now chosen and sanctified this house, that my Name may be there
forever: and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
http://www.genevabible.org/files/Geneva_Bible...
You mean the same book that promotes genocide of non-believers including women and children ("Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and %$#." (I Samuel 15:2-3)

You mean the same book that encourages raping of women and dashing children into pieces ("Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

You mean the same book that exalts men over women (“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression (1 Timothy 2:11-14)."

You mean the same book that commands the destruction witches thereby invoking the slaughter of 100,000 women in Europe in the Middle Ages in the Great Witch Hunt ("thou shall not suffer a witch to live (Exodus 22:18)."

I think that I have read enough to form an opinion as to the "blessings" that the bible has bestowed upon mankind. James Madison, the father of our Constitution had it right when he wrote, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

Mark Twain had it right when he wrote: "Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion—several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight."
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#131050 Dec 1, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen
To celebrate Bastille Day this year we have a beautiful poster which was printed at the time of the issuing of the Declaration to spread its message throughout the country. It was designed to be hung in public places so that ordinary people could see what the Assembly was doing in their name. George Jellinek in his study of the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of Citizens (1895, English trans. by Max Farand 1901) argues that the French were strongly influenced by the precedents of the American states' constitutions and bill of rights which were developed during the American Revolution. Here is an example:
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...
James Wilson and the American Constitution
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...
he origin and purposes of federal diversity jurisdiction have long been debated. It was created when the Constitution was first adopted, a time when loyalty to one's state was usually stronger than feelings for the United States. It was undoubtedly intended to balance national purposes with the independence of the states. Chief Justice John Marshall of the Supreme Court wrote in Bank of United States v. Deveaux, 9 U.S.(5 Cranch) 61, 87, 3 L. Ed. 38 (1809):
However true the fact may be, that the tribunals of the states will administer justice as impartially as those of the nation,… it is not less true that the constitution itself either entertains apprehensions on this subject, or views with such indulgence the possible fears and apprehensions of suitors, that it has established national tribunals for the decision of controversies … between citizens of different states.
Some scholars believe that the opportunity to take business and commercial disputes into an impartial federal court helped to encourage investment in the developing South and West. People from the industrialized Northeast felt more secure when their financial transactions in other states were not necessarily at the mercy of local prejudices.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
Civil Procedure
Subject Matter Jurisdiction
Subject matter jurisdiction (as opposed to personal jurisdiction) refers to the question of whether a particular court has the power or competence to decide the kind of controversy that is involved.(Friedenthal § 2.1) Note that subject matter jurisdiction is not an alternative to personal jurisdiction (the court's authority to enter a judgment binding on the particular defendant involved) but rather is an additional hurdle to be cleared.
http://www.west.net/~smith/smjuris.htm
==========
For you "dweebs" out there:
LAW is VERY complex.
THAT is the REASON the US Constitution was written is such language a "lay person" could read it and understand it!
AS IN:
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5
No Person except a "natural born" Citizen,[or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,]<<-< <<{{THIS phrase can BE DisMissed - SINCE NO ONE IS ALIVE NOW that was at the ADOPTION}}shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
1.Records of the Federal Convention
2.Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1472--73, 1833
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/...
You haven't a clue what the above cut-and-paste really means, do you?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#131051 Dec 1, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen
To celebrate Bastille Day this year we have a beautiful poster which was printed at the time of the issuing of the Declaration to spread its message throughout the country. It was designed to be hung in public places so that ordinary people could see what the Assembly was doing in their name. George Jellinek in his study of the French Declaration of the Rights of Man and of Citizens (1895, English trans. by Max Farand 1901) argues that the French were strongly influenced by the precedents of the American states' constitutions and bill of rights which were developed during the American Revolution. Here is an example:
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...
James Wilson and the American Constitution
http://oll.libertyfund.org/index.php...
he origin and purposes of federal diversity jurisdiction have long been debated. It was created when the Constitution was first adopted, a time when loyalty to one's state was usually stronger than feelings for the United States. It was undoubtedly intended to balance national purposes with the independence of the states. Chief Justice John Marshall of the Supreme Court wrote in Bank of United States v. Deveaux, 9 U.S.(5 Cranch) 61, 87, 3 L. Ed. 38 (1809):
However true the fact may be, that the tribunals of the states will administer justice as impartially as those of the nation,… it is not less true that the constitution itself either entertains apprehensions on this subject, or views with such indulgence the possible fears and apprehensions of suitors, that it has established national tribunals for the decision of controversies … between citizens of different states.
Some scholars believe that the opportunity to take business and commercial disputes into an impartial federal court helped to encourage investment in the developing South and West. People from the industrialized Northeast felt more secure when their financial transactions in other states were not necessarily at the mercy of local prejudices.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com...
Civil Procedure
Subject Matter Jurisdiction
Subject matter jurisdiction (as opposed to personal jurisdiction) refers to the question of whether a particular court has the power or competence to decide the kind of controversy that is involved.(Friedenthal § 2.1) Note that subject matter jurisdiction is not an alternative to personal jurisdiction (the court's authority to enter a judgment binding on the particular defendant involved) but rather is an additional hurdle to be cleared.
http://www.west.net/~smith/smjuris.htm
==========
For you "dweebs" out there:
LAW is VERY complex.
THAT is the REASON the US Constitution was written is such language a "lay person" could read it and understand it!
AS IN:
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5
No Person except a "natural born" Citizen,[or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution,]<<-< <<{{THIS phrase can BE DisMissed - SINCE NO ONE IS ALIVE NOW that was at the ADOPTION}}shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
1.Records of the Federal Convention
2.Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution 3:§§ 1472--73, 1833
http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/tocs/...
You haven't a clue what the above cut-and-paste means, do you?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#131052 Dec 1, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
You mean the same book that promotes genocide of non-believers including women and children ("Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt. Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and %$#." (I Samuel 15:2-3)
You mean the same book that encourages raping of women and dashing children into pieces ("Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)
You mean the same book that exalts men over women (“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression (1 Timothy 2:11-14)."
You mean the same book that commands the destruction witches thereby invoking the slaughter of 100,000 women in Europe in the Middle Ages in the Great Witch Hunt ("thou shall not suffer a witch to live (Exodus 22:18)."
I think that I have read enough to form an opinion as to the "blessings" that the bible has bestowed upon mankind. James Madison, the father of our Constitution had it right when he wrote, "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."
Mark Twain had it right when he wrote: "Man is a Religious Animal. He is the only Religious Animal. He is the only animal that has the True Religion—several of them. He is the only animal that loves his neighbor as himself and cuts his throat if his theology isn’t straight."
To these birthers and their so-called fundamentalist religious hypocrites, to quote the bible is to attack christianity. Get ready, duck, response is coming.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#131053 Dec 1, 2012
[QUOTE who="American Lady

For you "dweebs" out there:
LAW is VERY complex.
THAT is the REASON the US Constitution was written is such language a "lay person" could read it and understand it!
[/QUOTE]

Is that so?

Okay, how about the following scenario:

Does attaching mobile tracking devices to the undercarriage of a defendant's Jeep whle his vehicle was parked on a public street, agents invaded an area in which he possesses a reasonable expectation of privacy, thereby violating his Fourth Amendment rights?

What if the Jeep was parked in his garage?

What if the Jeep was parked in his driveway?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#131054 Dec 1, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
The 1st Section of the 3rd Article of the Constitution declares that "the Judicial Power of the United States shall be vested in one Supreme Court, and in such inferior Courts, as the Congress may from time to time ordain and establish."
And the US courts have told Birfoons to get lost.

What's so difficult to comprehend?
wojar wrote:
quoted text>
Then why can't BirfoonLady understand Art. 3 Sec. 1?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#131057 Dec 1, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't a clue what the above cut-and-paste really means, do you?
Huh uh ...
That's the reason I put it on here.
So "you" could 'explain'... ;~)
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#131058 Dec 1, 2012
Looks like the SPAM Police did a little house cleaning.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#131059 Dec 1, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
And the US courts have told Birfoons to get lost.
What's so difficult to comprehend?
<quoted text>
SHOW me where The US Supreme CT...
has done this ..
on any of 0's cases ...
THAT have been HEARD ...

OR not thrown out for jurisdiction or some technicality ...
NOT on the merits !!!

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#131060 Dec 1, 2012
Jacques,
Nobody amasses a forutune fit for a sultan king without slitting a few throats on the way to the top of the heap.
loose
American Lady

Danville, KY

#131061 Dec 1, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that so?
Okay, how about the following scenario:
Does attaching mobile tracking devices to the undercarriage of a defendant's Jeep whle his vehicle was parked on a public street, agents invaded an area in which he possesses a reasonable expectation of privacy, thereby violating his Fourth Amendment rights?
What if the Jeep was parked in his garage?
What if the Jeep was parked in his driveway?
Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
==========
>>> UNALIENABLE.
The state of a thing or right which cannot be sold.

Things which are not in commerce, as public roads, are in their nature unalienable. Some things are unalienable, in consequence of particular provisions in the law forbidding their sale or transfer, as pensions granted by the government. The natural rights of life and liberty are UNALIENABLE. Bouviers Law Dictionary 1856 Edition

"Unalienable: incapable of being alienated, that is, sold and transferred." Black's Law Dictionary, Sixth Edition, page 1523:

You can not surrender, sell or transfer unalienable rights, they are a gift from the creator to the individual and can not under any circumstances be surrendered or taken. All individual's have unalienable rights.

>>> Inalienable rights:
Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. Morrison v. State, Mo. App., 252 S.W.2d 97, 101.

You can surrender, sell or transfer inalienable rights if you consent either actually or constructively. Inalienable rights are not inherent in man and can be alienated by government. Persons have inalienable rights. Most state constitutions recognize only inalienable rights.

http://www.gemworld.com/usa-unalienable.htm
==========
NOT allowed without a WARRANT, and with EXACT wording !!!

“Arm the homeless!”

Since: Jul 12

The internet

#131062 Dec 1, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, just how does the Sun provide oxygen? And the heavy elements that are hear on Earth came from other stars after they are destroyed in super novas.
Look, Rouge is gonna give me a science lesson...

The sun provides you with a replenishable source of oxygen through photosynthesis.(driven by sunlight)
And you are repeating what I said. The Sun, the Earth, and all of our solar systems moons came from a star...a huge one.
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Now, as a Christian, it is possible to believe in science and nature at the same time. Now I have no idea what "a day" is to God but I do believe in Divine Design where God directs nature.
Science is simply the investigation of nature.

Now, as a christian, it is possible to believe absolutely anything at all...
Armys rising from the dead, people with supernatural strength, humans with a thousand + years lifespan, people who can magically control the weather, staffs that turn into snakes, the parting of seas and rivers, precognition, shapeshifting, faith healing, someone living in a big fish for 3 days, giants, talking snakes, Noah's ark, firey sky chariots, the devil (presumably demons), acceptable genocide, people who can bring rain and fire, and divine design.

No one in their proper mind could soundly state that the Earth was created for the cultivation of humans. If so, it is one of the most cruel jokes.
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yes, I believe that is possible for the Earth to be 8,600 years old at the same time in is 4.5 billion years old. One is in God's years and the other mankind's years.Just as an Earth year is longer than those of Mercury and Venus and shorter than the other planets further out from our Sun.
An example is Pluto so if Pluto and Earth were created at the same time, Earth would be about 4.5 billion years old while Pluto's would be only about 18 million Pluto years old. Yes, it takes Pluto about 248 Earth years to orbit our Sun!
Awesome theory Rouge! The brightest christian appologist have been working on this for a long time. Do the math! Maybe you can be the one guy in history to make any of it fit.

Hell, if you figure out how god percieves time we can possibly triangulate his position!
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
You see, while compared to an ant, we humans are large but compared to an elephant, we are small! Everything is relative
Now...put that bit of actual knowledge to use for a min.

The Milky Way is made up of 400 billion stars. Most with their own complete solar systems similar to ours. The vastness of our galaxy is staggering. Yet, it is a very small galaxy. We know of approx 400 billion other galaxies...there could be trillions. The Universe makes our staggeringly huge galaxy look like a dust particle in a sunbeam.

You believe a simple carbon based life form in the boondocks of an insignificant galaxy...on a tiny planet, orbiting a common place yellow star has the POWER to sin against a god who created ALL!

Arrogance is relative.
Even if there was a god.
He would be above it.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#131063 Dec 1, 2012
Johannes wrote:
Looks like the SPAM Police did a little house cleaning.
All your posts gone? LMAO!

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