BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Ever try cutting down a tree with a steak knife?
A sapling, yes.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>aliens are under the jurisdiction of local, state and Fed statutes, per treaty, but never bound to the US Constitution, as in "Subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", this is only a right enjoyed by a citizen.
However, the 14th Amendment does not say "subject to the US Constitution." It simply says "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." And the "thereof" refers to the United States, the country. And the meaning of "jurisdiction" has been defined by the US Supreme Court as subject to the laws.

All people who are in the USA are subject to the laws of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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Just because aliens have no political rights (i.e. vote, hold public office) doesn't mean that they don't have constitutional rights to protection their life, liberty and property.
Sorry, aliens do not have Constitutional Right, they are not citizens. You can't get around that, without violating the Constitution.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Foreign citizenship automatically denies birth right citizenship in the US.
Not according to supreme court decisions for the past 200 years.

"The concept of dual citizenship recognizes that a person may have and exercise rights of nationality in two countries and be subject to the responsibilities of both" Kawakita v. United States, 343 U.S. 717, 727 (1951)

"As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, it follows that persons may have a dual nationality. And the mere fact that the plaintiff may have acquired Swedish citizenship by virtue of the operation of Swedish law, on the resumption of that citizenship by her parents, does not compel the conclusion that she has lost her own citizenship acquired under our law."
Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 329 (1939)
Liberal Crap

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Someone should shut down this Topix site.
Justice Dale

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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
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Repeating Play Law over and over doesn't turn fantasy into reality.
Everyone knows all laws of the US must be in accord with the Constitution, and that the United States, as a SOVEREIGN NATION, is entitled to govern the conduct of aliens within its jurisdiction. US law since the First Congress required aliens to be subject to the jurisdiction (under the jurisdiction) of the United States prior to being naturalized in the United States.
Naturalization Act of 1790:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least ...."
Grow up.
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under the jurisdiction is not the same as being "subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution", this is a right that only a citizen enjoys.

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<quoted text>Sorry, aliens do not have Constitutional Right, they are not citizens. You can't get around that, without violating the Constitution.
The Constitution is applicable to everyone who is within the jurisdiction of the United States. Citizens and aliens are within the jurisdiction of the United States. If it is your contention that aliens HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHTS under the Constitution then it means that there are millions of people in the United States that have no rights that are protected by the Constitution.

That is inane.
LRS

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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
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What part?
The part written in invisible ink that says ordinary aliens in the US are subject to a foreign power.
They are subject to the sovereign rule, under the Constitution and other laws of the United States of America, i.e., subject to the jurisdiction thereof, and under the protection thereof and owing local allegiance thereto, while in this country.
Half-baked Play Law belongs in the children's play room. Frivolous.
Now go put your play robe and gavel back in your toy box.
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Any part Mobarf as you've made it perfectly clear that you do not understand any of it. So, really just take your pick! LMAO!

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#130845
Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, aliens do not have Constitutional Right, they are not citizens. You can't get around that, without violating the Constitution.
Bullcrap.

You can't get around that without violating Play Law.

"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"

Needless to say, "any person" obviously includes aliens.
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Ellen1 wrote:
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However, the 14th Amendment does not say "subject to the US Constitution." It simply says "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." And the "thereof" refers to the United States, the country. And the meaning of "jurisdiction" has been defined by the US Supreme Court as subject to the laws.
All people who are in the USA are subject to the laws of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.
Don't be stupid!
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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>You have run completely out of an argument.
This from the Dufus that has repasted the same lameass lie at least 500 times? The only things you haven't run out of are BS and hate
Justice Dale

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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
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Repeating Play Law over and over doesn't turn fantasy into reality.
Everyone knows all laws of the US must be in accord with the Constitution, and that the United States, as a SOVEREIGN NATION, is entitled to govern the conduct of aliens within its jurisdiction. US law since the First Congress required aliens to be subject to the jurisdiction (under the jurisdiction) of the United States prior to being naturalized in the United States.
Naturalization Act of 1790:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least ...."
Grow up.
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"may be admitted to become a citizen thereof", if this is accomplished then he will be "Subject to the jurisdiction" of the US Constitution.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>under the jurisdiction is not the same as being "subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution", this is a right that only a citizen enjoys.
Under the jurisdiction
subject to the jurisdiction

There is no legal distinction between the two phrases.
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The Constitution is applicable to everyone who is within the jurisdiction of the United States. Citizens and aliens are within the jurisdiction of the United States. If it is your contention that aliens HAVE NO LEGAL RIGHTS under the Constitution then it means that there are millions of people in the United States that have no rights that are protected by the Constitution.
That is inane.
no it is not, you stated it yourself, aliens haven't any political rights.
Aliens are here under treaties and are under local, state and Fed statutes, but never bound to the Constitution, as in "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>under the jurisdiction is not the same as being "subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution", this is a right that only a citizen enjoys.
Infantile and frivolous.

Subject to the jurisdiction of the United States means exactly the same as under the jurisdiction of the United States. By changing the statement to "subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution" Play Justice Dale cannot negate the meaning of subject to the jurisdiction of the United States. It is what it is.

Ordinary aliens in this country are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States of America, and as such are governed by the sovereign rule of this nation, we the people. They are also under the protection of the United States, including protections stated in the Constitution, and reciprocally owe local allegiance to the United States while here.

Play Law simply doesn't count outside the play pen.
wojar wrote:
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Repeating Play Law over and over doesn't turn fantasy into reality.
Everyone knows all laws of the US must be in accord with the Constitution, and that the United States, as a SOVEREIGN NATION, is entitled to govern the conduct of aliens within its jurisdiction. US law since the First Congress required aliens to be subject to the jurisdiction (under the jurisdiction) of the United States prior to being naturalized in the United States.
Naturalization Act of 1790:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least ...."
Grow up.
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This from the Dufus that has repasted the same lameass lie at least 500 times? The only things you haven't run out of are BS and hate
Gee, you don't discriminate much do you? Unreal! All these Buttflaps do is repeat themselves over and over. See Ellen, Mobarf, jacqazz, yourself and any flaps I've forgotten repetitive posts.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
*forgotten for repetitive posts.
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wojar wrote:
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Bullcrap.
You can't get around that without violating Play Law.
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
Needless to say, "any person" obviously includes aliens.
only by treaty, aliens have never been subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. For this to happen they must be naturalized, IAW The Naturalization Act.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text> "may be admitted to become a citizen thereof", if this is accomplished then he will be "Subject to the jurisdiction" of the US Constitution.
Huh?

What part of "under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years" does the birfoon not comprehend?
wojar wrote:
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Repeating Play Law over and over doesn't turn fantasy into reality.
Everyone knows all laws of the US must be in accord with the Constitution, and that the United States, as a SOVEREIGN NATION, is entitled to govern the conduct of aliens within its jurisdiction. US law since the First Congress required aliens to be subject to the jurisdiction (under the jurisdiction) of the United States prior to being naturalized in the United States.
Naturalization Act of 1790:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least ...."
Grow up.
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This from the Dufus that has repasted the same lameass lie at least 500 times? The only things you haven't run out of are BS and hate
Yep, it really sucks to post so many times, but y'all are so hard-head it will take more posts.

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