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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Justice Dale

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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
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Face it, UR at a dead end.
Now which country is the stateless alien subject to the jurisdiction of while in the US?
Moron. Alienage does not depend upon citizenship in a foreign nation or any foreign law, but rather on lack of US citizenship or nationality per US law.
Grow up.
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when you bring a stateless alien into the picture, you haven't anywhere to go from there. You are at a DED END.
I do remember how the boat people of S. Viet-Nam were adopted by the nations of the world.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>who really gives a shit about a stateless alien, let some-other country care, we are up-to our eyeballs with illegals.
Didn't read the rest of your post, don't really care to.
According to the clueless birfoon, aliens are under the jurisdiction of their home country while in the US. Now which country is the stateless alien under the jurisdiction of while in the US?

Cat got your tongue?

How can aliens be under the jurisdiction of their country or permanent allegiance when it is not even necessary for an alien to have a home country?

Eh birfoon?

Got a clue yet?

Your shit-faced half-baked ramblings lead to nowhere.
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Birfoon: "Who gives a shit about a stateless alien, not me."
He especially does not care about a problem that shoots down his pathetic theory.
Sorry, loser. You have stated that aliens "are here" under treaty with the alien's home country. Stateless aliens have no home country. According to your pathetic theory, such persons while in the US would not be under the jurisdiction of any country at all and free to violate any law they please.
Insane.
Birfoon: "All aliens prior to customs know they must obey the laws of what ever place they are going, and must not deviate from their itinerary, without approval."
That's right, Bozo. And what they know or do not know has no bearing on jurisdiction. If they have to obey the laws of the host country they are subject to the jurisdiction of the host country, whether they know it or not.(jurisdiction, n.(14c) 1. A government's general power to exercise authority over all persons and things within its territory;- Black's Law Dictionary, 9th Ed.)
Incidentally, citizens of American Samoa are not US citizens but as US nationals they owe allegiance to the United States. According to birfoon Play Law, such a US national while in Kansas and owing allegiance to the United States would not be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because only citizens are allegedly subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
What a laugh.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
American Lady wrote:
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Recent story lines go something like this: "Currently the Constitution says that a person born in this country is an American citizen. That's it. No caveats." The problem with these sort of statements other than being plainly false is that it reinforces a falsehood that has become viewed as a almost certain fact through such false assertions over time.
This is like insisting the sun rotates around the earth while ignoring the body of evidence to the contrary.
http://www.cairco.org/issues/alien-birthright...
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Examples of "story lines" that a person born in the United States is an American citizen as stated the courts:

“[W]e find that the Constitution has recognized the general principle of public law that allegiance and citizenship depend on the place of birth. Scott v. Standford, 60 U.S. 393, 581 (1857)(Curtis, J, dissenting)

"United States nationality depends primarily upon the place of birth, the common law principle of jus soli having been embodied in the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States. Nationality may also be acquired by naturalization and lost by expatriation." Cabebe v. Acheson, 183 F. 2d 795, 797 (9th Cir. 1950)

“Our concept of citizenship was inherited from England and, accordingly, was based on the principle that rights conferred by naturalization were subject to the conditions reserved in the grant”. See Calvin's Case, 7 Co. Rep. 1 a, 77 Eng. Rep. 377 (1608). Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S 163, 170 (1964)

“We thus have an acknowledgment that our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.” Rogers v. Bellei, 401 US 815,828(1971)

"Nor can it be doubted that it is the inherent right of every independent nation to determine for itself, and according to its own constitution and laws, what classes of persons shall be entitled to its citizenship." Ruggiero v. Compania Peruana De Vapores "Inca Capac Yupanqui", 639 F.2d 872, 875 (2d Cir. 1981)

"The United States, for example, bestows citizenship to persons born within the United States or its territories (jus soli) and to those born abroad to a citizen parent (jus sanguinis). The combination of these overlapping citizenship rules "must inevitably lead to cases of dual nationality as to children of foreign parents." Wauchope v. US Dept. of State, 756 F. Supp. 1277, 1283 (N.D. Ca 1991)(internal citation omitted), affirmed, 985 F.2d 1407 (9th Cir. 1993)

“Many countries confer citizenship based on bloodline (jus sanguinis) rather than, as the United States does, on place of birth (jus soli). US v. Flores-Villar, 536 F. 3d 990, 996 (9th Cir. 2008)

These conflicts arise principally by reason of the fact that in some countries nationality is governed by jus soli, i. e., it originates by birth within the country; in others, it is based on jus sanguinis, i. e., the child inherits the nationality of his parents irrespective of his place of birth; and in still others, like the United States, it may be predicated on either jus soli or jus sanguinis. Thus, a person born in the United States is a citizen thereof irrespective of the nationality of his parents. Tomasicchio v. Acheson, 98 F. Supp. 166, 168 (D. D.C. 1951)

A teaching moment, don't bring a water pistol to a gun fight.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Correction: country of permanent allegiance

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>No, you are read your mind!
Face it, UR at a dead end.

Grow up.

Alienage does not depend upon permanent allegiance to a foreign power but rather lack of citizenship or nationality with the United States.

The stateless alien in the US cannot possibly be under the jurisdiction of a foreign power. Therefore the claim that aliens necessarily are not under the jurisdiction of the United States is categorically false.

How's the crow tasting?
wojar wrote:
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Face it, UR at a dead end.
Now which country is the stateless alien subject to the jurisdiction of while in the US?
Moron. Alienage does not depend upon citizenship in a foreign nation or any foreign law, but rather on lack of US citizenship or nationality per US law.
Grow up.
Justice Dale

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Nov 30, 2012
 
James Tiberius Kirk wrote:
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Your statement doesn't make any sense. If the Naturalization Act was created for aliens then the question that needs to be address is where does Congress have the authority to enact Naturalization Acts?
If it is the Constitution then by your own admission, aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then Congress is without legislative power to enact Naturalization Acts since aliens are not subject to United States power throught the Constitution.
suggest you read the Naturalization Act of 1790, then tell me that aliens are subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, the Constitution.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>when you bring a stateless alien into the picture, you haven't anywhere to go from there. You are at a DED END.
You've got it arse backwards, as usual.

The assumption that aliens in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country ASSUMES that all aliens have a home country.

Simply false. If aliens in the US are not under the jurisdiction of the United States then what country has jurisdiction over stateless aliens?

Face it, UR stumped and at a dead end.
wojar wrote:
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Face it, UR at a dead end.
Now which country is the stateless alien subject to the jurisdiction of while in the US?
Moron. Alienage does not depend upon citizenship in a foreign nation or any foreign law, but rather on lack of US citizenship or nationality per US law.
Grow up.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
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Face it, UR at a dead end.
Grow up.
Alienage does not depend upon permanent allegiance to a foreign power but rather lack of citizenship or nationality with the United States.
The stateless alien in the US cannot possibly be under the jurisdiction of a foreign power. Therefore the claim that aliens necessarily are not under the jurisdiction of the United States is categorically false.
How's the crow tasting?
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you are dead, I proved it in a prior post.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
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You've got it arse backwards, as usual.
The assumption that aliens in the US are subject to the jurisdiction of their home country ASSUMES that all aliens have a home country.
Simply false. If aliens in the US are not under the jurisdiction of the United States then what country has jurisdiction over stateless aliens?
Face it, UR stumped and at a dead end.
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sorry, I countered you post with a prior post, you are dead in the water.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
Correction: country of permanent allegiance
doesn't make any difference, you are dead.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you are dead, I proved it in a prior post.
You proved you're at a dead end. Go put your play robe and gavel back into your toy box.
wojar wrote:
Face it, UR at a dead end.

Grow up.

Alienage does not depend upon permanent allegiance to a foreign power but rather lack of citizenship or nationality with the United States.
The stateless alien in the US cannot possibly be under the jurisdiction of a foreign power. Therefore the claim that aliens necessarily are not under the jurisdiction of the United States is categorically false.

How's the crow tasting?

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, I countered you post with a prior post, you are dead in the water.
You shot yourself in the foot, loser.

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Justice Dale wrote:
sorry, I countered you post with a prior post, you are dead in the water.
Were you wearing your play justice robe when you ruled me "dead in the water"? Hee hee.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
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Were you wearing your play justice robe when you ruled me "dead in the water"? Hee hee.
hahaha!! You are so dead, you stink! Had to skip your prior posts, kept getting kicked-off.

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US law determines who is a citizen or national of the United States without regard to foreign law. If a person in the US is not a citizen of the United States, there is NO ASSUMPTION of foreign citizenship or acknowledgment of foreign jurisdiction. Indeed, the determination of alienage depends entirely on US citizenship and nationality law: was the person born or naturalized in the US or is the person a citizen or national per provisions of Title 8. Accordingly, US jurisdiction over aliens cannot possibly depend upon assumptions about an alien's home country. Indeed, an alien need not have a "home country". Birfoons are missing in the wind.
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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>You shot yourself in the foot, loser.
no, I shot you in the head, you haven't anywhere to turn to.
Would you like to no what countries adopted the boat people?

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Nov 30, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahaha!! You are so dead, you stink! Had to skip your prior posts, kept getting kicked-off.
Having problems with your two-bit dial-up connection? Don't Justices have better facilities than that. I would think that the world famous inventor who overcame the law of conservation of energy could afford broad band. Hee hee.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
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Would you like to no what countries adopted the boat people?
You really think that matters, Alice?
Justice Dale

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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Having problems with your two-bit dial-up connection? Don't Justices have better facilities than that. I would think that the world famous inventor who overcame the law of conservation of energy could afford broad band. Hee hee.
no, have top of the line, just have problems on this thread.
Have you even tried putting together the parts I gave you? I don't care who comes up with a better idea, it will benefit us all.

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Nov 30, 2012
 
wojar wrote:
US law determines who is a citizen or national of the United States without regard to foreign law.
wojar, wojar, wojar... of course the widdle ole' US of A has no say in who is a citizen! Every two bit dictatorship on this blue and green earth is more powerful!

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