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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130874 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Infantile claptrap.
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
The 14th amendment is not a treaty and is not superseded by any treaty. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
Get over it. President Obama is the President of the United States and no amount of sand box Play Law can change that FACT OF LIFE.
Grow up. Put your robe, gavel, and other toys away and become a man.
<quoted text>
yes it sure is and an alien is not subject to it, unless naturalized.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130875 Nov 30, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If an alien isn't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then it means that the United States Naturalization laws are not applicable to an alien residing in the Unitd States since according to your folderol theory an alien is not subject to the Constitution which by the ways provides Congress with the powers to naturalize aliens under Article 1, Section 8.
an alien is not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution, but the Naturalization Act was created for aliens who request citizenship in this country, without the act there wouldn't be any naturalized citizens.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130876 Nov 30, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If you took Constutional law in law school you should be familiar with the phrase "suspect classification"
If not, let me review it for you.
State laws that discrminate based " upon race, ALIENAGE, and national origin, are inherently suspect and must therefore be subjected to close judicial scrutiny". Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677, 682 (1973)(emphasis added)
"The general rule gives way, however, when a statute classifies by race, ALIENAGE, or national origin. These factors are so seldom relevant to the achievement of any legitimate state interest that laws grounded in such considerations are deemed to reflect prejudice and antipathy — a view that those in the burdened class are not as worthy or deserving as others. For these reasons and because such discrimination is unlikely to be soon rectified by legislative means, these laws are subjected to strict scrutiny and will be sustained only if they are suitably tailored to serve a compelling state interest." Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, 473 U.S. 432, 330 (1985)(emphasis added)
My question to you is this:
If courts have held that laws that discriminate based on alienage is subject to strict scrutiny by the courts then how can these courts have jurisdiction over the matter if aliens by your logic are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?
very simple the Fuller court had no idea the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", or they tried to change the meaning of it, either way, they violated the Constitution, rendering Ark null and void.
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#130877 Nov 30, 2012
Howdy, birfers. How's the pretend definition of jurisdiction working out for you today? I noticed President Barack Hussein Obama is still president, so I'm guessing the courts don't use pretend law.

Anyhow, here's the latest from Oily's (losing) debacle in Mississippi. Her plaintiff wants the out of the case because Oily is such an awful attorney.

http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/115024444...
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#130878 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>an alien is not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution, but the Naturalization Act was created for aliens who request citizenship in this country, without the act there wouldn't be any naturalized citizens.
I can pull up 100s of Supreme Court cases right now that don't use birfoon pretend law and show that aliens are indeed subject to the jurisdiction of the US while within its borders.

Sorry. Better luck with whatever lie you cook up tomorrow.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130879 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
All aliens subject to (or under) the jurisdiction of the United States are bound by the laws of this country and are protected by the constitution.
Play Justice Birfoon seems to believe that recitation of a truism proves a logically unrelated falsehood. His statements are the quintessence of the non-sequitur. Furthermore, he states a false conclusion based on a false premise as though the conclusion is proof of his false premise. His reasoning is circular and his premises and conclusions are consistently wrong. He lacks the wherewithal to comprehend that his delusions are quite grandiose and pathological. Indeed, the twit also believe he can create energy from nothing: perpetual motion, a violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics. He's smarter than Clausius, Einstein, Fermi, Schrodinger, Heisenberg and Oppenheimer put together! He also believes he has some sort of IP protection for his worthless delusion even though he is totally ignorant of IP law in this country.
Hee hee: "poor man's patent"
Does the birfoon understand what is required in validity litigation and interference hearings to prove inventorship? Does he understand the requirements under current law to prove diligence prior to filing? Des the birfoon understand that the law changes on March 16th to "first to file" and "first to invent" gets thrown in the trash heap (except for all applications filed before the 16th)?
Nope, the NPD twerp simply goes off on his fantasy trip, and then calls Jacques NPD. That's called projection. What a twerp.
<quoted text>
by treaties with an alien's nation they are under, local, state and Fed statutes, but are never "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130881 Nov 30, 2012
James Tiberius Kirk wrote:
Correction: Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, 473 U.S. 432, 440 (1985)
Doesn't make any difference Jimmy, we are not talking about state law.
If you want to change the Constitution, get yourself an amendment, or STFU.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130882 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>by treaties with an alien's nation they are under, local, state and Fed statutes, but are never "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution.
Nonsense.

What about a stateless alien who has no nation?

Anyone in the US who is subject to Federal statutes is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

Blabbering "jurisdiction of the Constitution" cannot change that fact.

Grow up child.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
All aliens subject to (or under) the jurisdiction of the United States are bound by the laws of this country and are protected by the constitution.
Play Justice Birfoon seems to believe that recitation of a truism proves a logically unrelated falsehood. His statements are the quintessence of the non-sequitur. Furthermore, he states a false conclusion based on a false premise as though the conclusion is proof of his false premise. His reasoning is circular and his premises and conclusions are consistently wrong. He lacks the wherewithal to comprehend that his delusions are quite grandiose and pathological. Indeed, the twit also believe he can create energy from nothing: perpetual motion, a violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics. He's smarter than Clausius, Einstein, Fermi, Schrodinger, Heisenberg and Oppenheimer put together! He also believes he has some sort of IP protection for his worthless delusion even though he is totally ignorant of IP law in this country.
Hee hee: "poor man's patent"
Does the birfoon understand what is required in validity litigation and interference hearings to prove inventorship? Does he understand the requirements under current law to prove diligence prior to filing? Des the birfoon understand that the law changes on March 16th to "first to file" and "first to invent" gets thrown in the trash heap (except for all applications filed before the 16th)?
Nope, the NPD twerp simply goes off on his fantasy trip, and then calls Jacques NPD. That's called projection. What a twerp.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130883 Nov 30, 2012
Another case of black racism.

November 30, 2012 byFrancis Marion
Store Clerk Shoots Black in Self Defense – Now Black Community in Uproar
http://lastresistance.com/630/store-clerk-sho...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130885 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense.
What about a stateless alien who has no nation?
Anyone in the US who is subject to Federal statutes is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Blabbering "jurisdiction of the Constitution" cannot change that fact.
Grow up child.
<quoted text>
Who gives a shit about a stateless alien, not me.
All aliens prior to customs know they must obey the laws of what ever place they are going, and must not deviate from their itinerary, without approval.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130886 Nov 30, 2012
Thomas the Pimp wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, Yohannes failed to provide a link to support his allegations. The Army Corps of Engineers was instructed by CONGRESS to rebuild the CITY OWNED levees to withstand a Cat-2 hurricane after the 1965 Hurricane Betsy. And they did. It was never designed or built to withstand anything greater than a Cat-2 hurricane and that is not the fault of the Army Corps of Engineers.
If you go up the the Mississippi River levees that were designed, built and maintained by the Corps of Engineers you will see the difference. They are like golf courses. NO trees are allowed to grow on them and no varmints are allowed to borough into them either. The levees own by the City of New Orleans are totally different and it was not the fault of the Corps of Engineers.
The PHI heliport at N.O. was located next to the Mississippi River levee and, like I said, it is like a humped golf course. The grass is maintained better than most states maintain the grass next to Interstate Highways.
When I worked for PHI there were some days when we could not fly and once we spent three days during a hurricane evacuation from the Gulf as the PHI heliport at Venice was not only out side the Corps' levee but also the State's levees. Yep, PHI had their own levee and it was destroyed during Hurricane Katrina and they built a totally new heliport about five miles north of there that had a Corps' levee on the east side and a State's levee on the west side.
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
In August 2007, the Corps released an analysis revealing that their floodwalls were so poorly designed that the maximum safe load is only 7 feet (2.1 m) of water, which is half the original 14-foot (4.3 m) design.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_levee_failu...
And who wrote that Wiki article? They don't says, do they? And they leave a lot out of that article.
And again, those improvements were made in the 1960's and the CITY FAILED to maintain the levees.
Oh, do you know people sued the Army Core of Engineers? And do you know what happened to that lawsuit? It got tossed out!!!

Hurricane Katrina damage judgment against Army Corps of Engineers is reversed by federal appeals court
http://www.nola.com/katrina/index.ssf/2012/09...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130887 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense.
What about a stateless alien who has no nation?
Anyone in the US who is subject to Federal statutes is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Blabbering "jurisdiction of the Constitution" cannot change that fact.
Grow up child.
<quoted text>
there is only one type of person that is subject to the jurisdiction of the US Constitution, that would be a citizen of the USofA, all others have their own nations that they are subject to.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130888 Nov 30, 2012
Oh Yohannes, why did the City of N.O. not use the school buses to evacuate the people. Well, when FEMA recommended on Friday to start the evacuation and the City refused, the SMART school bus drives got in their cars and left!!!
But the time Mayor Nagin announced the evacuation of Sunday, just 24 hours before the storm hit, most of the people had already evacuated and all that were left were the Libtards.
I have zero empathy for those Libtards who lost their lives in Hurricane Katrina. Yes, I do for the elderly patients of that home care facility that did not evacuate but I do blame Mayor Nagin on their deaths.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130889 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense.
What about a stateless alien who has no nation?
Anyone in the US who is subject to Federal statutes is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
Blabbering "jurisdiction of the Constitution" cannot change that fact.
Grow up child.
<quoted text>
Face it Puss, you ain't very smart, is you!

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130890 Nov 30, 2012
And for the Libtard woman who lost her two children in New York city I have no empathy for her either. I feel sorry that those two innocent children dies because of their Libtard mother who did not have the commonsense to evacuated BEFORE the storm hit!
They should tie her tubes to prevent her from having any more children.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130891 Nov 30, 2012
Students at a local school were assigned to read two books,'Titanic' & 'My Life' by Bill Clinton.

One student turned in the following book report, with the proposition that they were nearly identical stories!

His cool professor gave him an A+ for this report.

Titanic: cost -$29.99
Clinton : cost -$29.99

Titanic: Over 3 hours to read
Clinton : Over 3 hours to read

Titanic: The story of Jack and Rose, their forbidden love, and subsequent catastrophe.
Clinton : The story of Bill and Monica, their forbidden love, and subsequent catastrophe.

Titanic: Jack is a starving artist.
Clinton : Bill is a bullshit artist.

Titanic: In one scene, Jack enjoys a good cigar.
Clinton : Ditto for Bill.

Titanic: During the ordeal, Rose's dress gets ruined.
Clinton : Ditto for Monica.

Titanic: Jack teaches Rose to spit.
Clinton : Let's not go there.

Titanic: Rose gets to keep her jewellery
Clinton : Monica is forced to return her gifts.

Titanic: Rose remembers Jack for the rest of her life.
Clinton : Clinton remembers Monica for the rest of his life.

Titanic: Rose goes down on a vessel full of seamen.
Clinton : Monica...ooh, let's not go there, either.

Titanic: Jack surrenders to an icy death.
Clinton : Bill goes home to Hilary - basically the same thing.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130892 Nov 30, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Who said anything about owning the white house? Still, omg, ha Ha, Obama will have resided in the White House exactly 731 days longer than Romney père et fils. And not looking to blow you out of the water, loser. You don't need my help, you're doing just fine blowing yourself out of it just by yourself. Oh oh, here comes nurse Ratched. Time for your tranquilizer. Sleep tight.
jacqazz, you have perfect timing. My nurse friend just left. We had a great visit. Always a pleasure! LMAO at your timing; and I'm 100% serious. You made the statement about Romney walking around the White House, thinking all this could have been his. I just wanted to make sure you knew the President doesn't get to keep it. LOL 731 days? No one is promised tomorrow, remember that. Apparently, you also misunderstood my, "getting blown out of the water" comment. I won't waste the energy trying to explain it to you. Let's just say the water would be over your head.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130893 Nov 30, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
And for the Libtard woman who lost her two children in New York city I have no empathy for her either. I feel sorry that those two innocent children dies because of their Libtard mother who did not have the commonsense to evacuated BEFORE the storm hit!
They should tie her tubes to prevent her from having any more children.
No, send her where her children are.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130894 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Face it Puss, you ain't very smart, is you!
You mean the Biologist, Chemist, Patent Pusher and Meth Chef isn't very smart? LMSAO!!!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#130896 Nov 30, 2012
Thomas the Pimp wrote:
Thomas the Pimp wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, Yohannes failed to provide a link to support his allegations. The Army Corps of Engineers was instructed by CONGRESS to rebuild the CITY OWNED levees to withstand a Cat-2 hurricane after the 1965 Hurricane Betsy. And they did. It was never designed or built to withstand anything greater than a Cat-2 hurricane and that is not the fault of the Army Corps of Engineers.
If you go up the the Mississippi River levees that were designed, built and maintained by the Corps of Engineers you will see the difference. They are like golf courses. NO trees are allowed to grow on them and no varmints are allowed to borough into them either. The levees own by the City of New Orleans are totally different and it was not the fault of the Corps of Engineers.
The PHI heliport at N.O. was located next to the Mississippi River levee and, like I said, it is like a humped golf course. The grass is maintained better than most states maintain the grass next to Interstate Highways.
When I worked for PHI there were some days when we could not fly and once we spent three days during a hurricane evacuation from the Gulf as the PHI heliport at Venice was not only out side the Corps' levee but also the State's levees. Yep, PHI had their own levee and it was destroyed during Hurricane Katrina and they built a totally new heliport about five miles north of there that had a Corps' levee on the east side and a State's levee on the west side.
<quoted text>
And who wrote that Wiki article? They don't says, do they? And they leave a lot out of that article.
And again, those improvements were made in the 1960's and the CITY FAILED to maintain the levees.
Oh, do you know people sued the Army Core of Engineers? And do you know what happened to that lawsuit? It got tossed out!!!
Hurricane Katrina damage judgment against Army Corps of Engineers is reversed by federal appeals court
http://www.nola.com/katrina/index.ssf/2012/09...
Now that I've handed you your ass once again by proving you wrong, you ask 'who wrote the article'? Ah, here starts the Lifer Logic. If a dem wrote the article, it must be a lie.

Sorry, you lost lifer!!!

Never did see anything that states the causes of the levee failure were due to lack of maintenance. Just more Lifer Lies!!!!

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