BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130855 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text> "may be admitted to become a citizen thereof", if this is accomplished then he will be "Subject to the jurisdiction" of the US Constitution.
Huh?

What part of "under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years" does the birfoon not comprehend?
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Repeating Play Law over and over doesn't turn fantasy into reality.
Everyone knows all laws of the US must be in accord with the Constitution, and that the United States, as a SOVEREIGN NATION, is entitled to govern the conduct of aliens within its jurisdiction. US law since the First Congress required aliens to be subject to the jurisdiction (under the jurisdiction) of the United States prior to being naturalized in the United States.
Naturalization Act of 1790:
"Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America, in Congress assembled, That any Alien being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the JURISDICTION of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof on application to any common law Court of record in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least ...."
Grow up.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130856 Nov 30, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
This from the Dufus that has repasted the same lameass lie at least 500 times? The only things you haven't run out of are BS and hate
Yep, it really sucks to post so many times, but y'all are so hard-head it will take more posts.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130857 Nov 30, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Under the jurisdiction
subject to the jurisdiction
There is no legal distinction between the two phrases.
sure is "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", binds you to the jurisdiction of the Constitution.(14th)
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130859 Nov 30, 2012
Liberal Crap wrote:
Someone should shut down this Topix site.
I see. A strong proponent of freedom of expression. Bravo.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130860 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>only by treaty, aliens have never been subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. For this to happen they must be naturalized, IAW The Naturalization Act.
Infantile claptrap.

"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"

The 14th amendment is not a treaty and is not superseded by any treaty. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.

Get over it. President Obama is the President of the United States and no amount of sand box Play Law can change that FACT OF LIFE.

Grow up. Put your robe, gavel, and other toys away and become a man.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullcrap.
You can't get around that without violating Play Law.
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
Needless to say, "any person" obviously includes aliens.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130861 Nov 30, 2012
How cheap of the little man. He reeks.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/30/de...

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130862 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text> "may be admitted to become a citizen thereof", if this is accomplished then he will be "Subject to the jurisdiction" of the US Constitution.
If an alien isn't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then it means that the United States Naturalization laws are not applicable to an alien residing in the Unitd States since according to your folderol theory an alien is not subject to the Constitution which by the ways provides Congress with the powers to naturalize aliens under Article 1, Section 8.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130863 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>under the jurisdiction is not the same as being "subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution", this is a right that only a citizen enjoys.
If you took Constutional law in law school you should be familiar with the phrase "suspect classification"

If not, let me review it for you.

State laws that discrminate based " upon race, ALIENAGE, and national origin, are inherently suspect and must therefore be subjected to close judicial scrutiny". Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677, 682 (1973)(emphasis added)

"The general rule gives way, however, when a statute classifies by race, ALIENAGE, or national origin. These factors are so seldom relevant to the achievement of any legitimate state interest that laws grounded in such considerations are deemed to reflect prejudice and antipathy — a view that those in the burdened class are not as worthy or deserving as others. For these reasons and because such discrimination is unlikely to be soon rectified by legislative means, these laws are subjected to strict scrutiny and will be sustained only if they are suitably tailored to serve a compelling state interest." Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, 473 U.S. 432, 330 (1985)(emphasis added)

My question to you is this:

If courts have held that laws that discriminate based on alienage is subject to strict scrutiny by the courts then how can these courts have jurisdiction over the matter if aliens by your logic are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130864 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>sure is "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", binds you to the jurisdiction of the Constitution.(14th)
All aliens subject to (or under) the jurisdiction of the United States are bound by the laws of this country and are protected by the constitution.

Play Justice Birfoon seems to believe that recitation of a truism proves a logically unrelated falsehood. His statements are the quintessence of the non-sequitur. Furthermore, he states a false conclusion based on a false premise as though the conclusion is proof of his false premise. His reasoning is circular and his premises and conclusions are consistently wrong. He lacks the wherewithal to comprehend that his delusions are quite grandiose and pathological. Indeed, the twit also believe he can create energy from nothing: perpetual motion, a violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics. He's smarter than Clausius, Einstein, Fermi, Schrodinger, Heisenberg and Oppenheimer put together! He also believes he has some sort of IP protection for his worthless delusion even though he is totally ignorant of IP law in this country.

Hee hee: "poor man's patent"

Does the birfoon understand what is required in validity litigation and interference hearings to prove inventorship? Does he understand the requirements under current law to prove diligence prior to filing? Des the birfoon understand that the law changes on March 16th to "first to file" and "first to invent" gets thrown in the trash heap (except for all applications filed before the 16th)?

Nope, the NPD twerp simply goes off on his fantasy trip, and then calls Jacques NPD. That's called projection. What a twerp.
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Under the jurisdiction
subject to the jurisdiction
There is no legal distinction between the two phrases.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130865 Nov 30, 2012
Correction: Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, 473 U.S. 432, 440 (1985)

Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130866 Nov 30, 2012
LRS wrote:
How cheap of the little man. He reeks.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/30/de...
I've read the whole partisan Republican party HQ Fox News propaganda. One-sided all of it, and of course, it is what a vulture, namely you, devours.

Oh, what a sight yesterday, Romney looking around the white house, thinking "all this could've been mine", had it not been for my birther and tea party-themed 1916-style campaing. And too old for a shot at it in 2016. Awwwww.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130867 Nov 30, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If an alien isn't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then it means that the United States Naturalization laws are not applicable to an alien residing in the Unitd States since according to your folderol theory an alien is not subject to the Constitution which by the ways provides Congress with the powers to naturalize aliens under Article 1, Section 8.
I doubt the Play Justice can muster the cognitive force necessary to comprehend your clear and straightforward statement.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130868 Nov 30, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If you took Constutional law in law school you should be familiar with the phrase "suspect classification"
If not, let me review it for you.
State laws that discrminate based " upon race, ALIENAGE, and national origin, are inherently suspect and must therefore be subjected to close judicial scrutiny". Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677, 682 (1973)(emphasis added)
"The general rule gives way, however, when a statute classifies by race, ALIENAGE, or national origin. These factors are so seldom relevant to the achievement of any legitimate state interest that laws grounded in such considerations are deemed to reflect prejudice and antipathy — a view that those in the burdened class are not as worthy or deserving as others. For these reasons and because such discrimination is unlikely to be soon rectified by legislative means, these laws are subjected to strict scrutiny and will be sustained only if they are suitably tailored to serve a compelling state interest." Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, 473 U.S. 432, 330 (1985)(emphasis added)
My question to you is this:
If courts have held that laws that discriminate based on alienage is subject to strict scrutiny by the courts then how can these courts have jurisdiction over the matter if aliens by your logic are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States?
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a coherent response from the Play Justice.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130869 Nov 30, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
I've read the whole partisan Republican party HQ Fox News propaganda. One-sided all of it, and of course, it is what a vulture, namely you, devours.
Oh, what a sight yesterday, Romney looking around the white house, thinking "all this could've been mine", had it not been for my birther and tea party-themed 1916-style campaing. And too old for a shot at it in 2016. Awwwww.
The last time Omama sent his spending cuts bill to Congress not one Dim voted for it. Hmmm. He's playing games instead of running the Government. He's stuck on politics because that's all he knows. One sided? The truth usually is! BTW bozo, you don't get to own the White House because you're elected. You just like getting blown out of the water, don't ya? pigeon
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130870 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
I doubt the Play Justice can muster the cognitive force necessary to comprehend your clear and straightforward statement.
You boys and girls look really stupid. Read the law, when you understand it, come back. LMAO!!! squids
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130871 Nov 30, 2012
If Omama allows us to go over the cliff, he will be impeached as he should be.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130872 Nov 30, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
The last time Omama sent his spending cuts bill to Congress not one Dim voted for it. Hmmm. He's playing games instead of running the Government. He's stuck on politics because that's all he knows. One sided? The truth usually is! BTW bozo, you don't get to own the White House because you're elected. You just like getting blown out of the water, don't ya? pigeon
Who said anything about owning the white house? Still, omg, ha Ha, Obama will have resided in the White House exactly 731 days longer than Romney père et fils. And not looking to blow you out of the water, loser. You don't need my help, you're doing just fine blowing yourself out of it just by yourself. Oh oh, here comes nurse Ratched. Time for your tranquilizer. Sleep tight.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#130873 Nov 30, 2012
LRS wrote:
If Omama allows us to go over the cliff, he will be impeached as he should be.
WOW!!! Is that yet another prediction from a birther??? How'd you last group of predictions turn out???? LMAO!!!!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130874 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Infantile claptrap.
"nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;"
The 14th amendment is not a treaty and is not superseded by any treaty. The Constitution is the supreme law of the land.
Get over it. President Obama is the President of the United States and no amount of sand box Play Law can change that FACT OF LIFE.
Grow up. Put your robe, gavel, and other toys away and become a man.
<quoted text>
yes it sure is and an alien is not subject to it, unless naturalized.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130875 Nov 30, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If an alien isn't subject to the jurisdiction of the United States then it means that the United States Naturalization laws are not applicable to an alien residing in the Unitd States since according to your folderol theory an alien is not subject to the Constitution which by the ways provides Congress with the powers to naturalize aliens under Article 1, Section 8.
an alien is not subject to the jurisdiction of the Constitution, but the Naturalization Act was created for aliens who request citizenship in this country, without the act there wouldn't be any naturalized citizens.

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