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Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130790 Nov 30, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
The citizens did most of the early levee building. Try and grasp this point
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
What time frame are you speaking of? 1810??? 1900???
Try to answer the question.
The levees that failed around NO were designed and built by the Army Corps of Enginners. These levees were 60-90% complete when Katrina struck. The Army has admitted that their design was at fault, causing the failure. Try to grasp this truth.
Johannes, Johannes, LRS and his birther ilk have not yet grasped that Romney lost and Obama is still president. And that is fairly recent, less than a month ago. How do you expect a crass vulgar fundamentalist birther tea partyer to grasp something that happened years ago? His prejudices, hate and envy prevent him from thinking on a rational level. C'mon, he talks about his beautiful nurse girl friend like it was real. LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130791 Nov 30, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey jacqazz, take note. Now this is some funny shat! LMAO!!! Guess Terry doesn't read your comments or Mobarf's or Bladder Splatter's or Pops, etc, etc. Terry you're biased and hypocritical at best.
.

You'd be hard pressed to prove bias or hypocracy. You might be able to prove that I manage to get a point across without resorting to juvenile, bathroom humor. Calling people names doesn't make you better than them, just the opposite, in fact. And referring towomen in degrading, vulgar terms makes me think you might not like women... not that I'm judging your lifestyle.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130792 Nov 30, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, the design and construction has been shown to be at fault.
I am sick and tired of the Lifer trying to fabricate the facts.
Admit that the design of the Army Corps of Engineers was flawed....they have done so, why not you?
Again, Yohannes failed to provide a link to support his allegations. The Army Corps of Engineers was instructed by CONGRESS to rebuild the CITY OWNED levees to withstand a Cat-2 hurricane after the 1965 Hurricane Betsy. And they did. It was never designed or built to withstand anything greater than a Cat-2 hurricane and that is not the fault of the Army Corps of Engineers.
If you go up the the Mississippi River levees that were designed, built and maintained by the Corps of Engineers you will see the difference. They are like golf courses. NO trees are allowed to grow on them and no varmints are allowed to borough into them either. The levees own by the City of New Orleans are totally different and it was not the fault of the Corps of Engineers.
The PHI heliport at N.O. was located next to the Mississippi River levee and, like I said, it is like a humped golf course. The grass is maintained better than most states maintain the grass next to Interstate Highways.
When I worked for PHI there were some days when we could not fly and once we spent three days during a hurricane evacuation from the Gulf as the PHI heliport at Venice was not only out side the Corps' levee but also the State's levees. Yep, PHI had their own levee and it was destroyed during Hurricane Katrina and they built a totally new heliport about five miles north of there that had a Corps' levee on the east side and a State's levee on the west side.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130793 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, the Constitution is the jurisdiction over the US, aliens have never been subject to it, if so they would be called citizens.
Repeating Play Law over and over doesn't make it real.

Only a delusional fool would believe that "We the People" established a nation lacking the jurisdiction of a fully sovereign nation.

Citizens and aliens (i.e., persons, DUH!) in this country are subject to the jurisdiction of the US under the Constitution. That has been true since day 1.

Now put your play robe and gavel away in your toy box. You need a nap. Your Play Law crashed and burned years ago.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Looks like Play Justice Dale needs to have his mommy put him to bed for a nap.
Four years of Play Law and $1.25 can get the Play Justice on a bus.
The constitution is the supreme law of the US, and ordinary aliens in this country are subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130794 Nov 30, 2012
sage won wrote:
reminder for the mildly retarded Obama asskissers and clueless dems:
It's all right here, grasshopper, the crux of the matter:
"Because Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac made a market for subprime mortgages the lenders did not have to worry about of the soundness of the mortgage contract they wrote. Thus the lenders could write the mortgages as adjustable interest rate mortgages knowing full well that an upturn in the interest rates could easily throw the borrower into insolvency. For example, when the interest rate is 6 percent the mortgage payment for a 30-year $200,000 mortgage is $1199 per month. If the interest rate goes up to 7 percent the mortgage payment would increase by $131 per month, an 11 percent increase. For many of the subprime borrowers living on the edge of insolvency this would be enough to push them over the edge. The guilt for the subprime mortgage financial crisis lies both with the lenders who knowingly put borrowers into booby trapped mortgages and the management of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac for making a market for such booby trapped mortgages thus giving the lenders the incentive for writing them. "
Dems own this mess, lock, stock and barrel.
Wrong.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac did not cause the mortgage meltdown.
It was the private sector.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

•More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

•Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

•Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.

Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don't lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.

It's a process called securitization, and by passing on the loans, banks have more capital on hand so they can lend even more.

In an effort to promote affordable home ownership for minorities and rural whites, the Department of Housing and Urban Development set targets for Fannie and Freddie in 1992 to purchase low-income loans for sale into the secondary market that eventually reached this number: 52 percent of loans given to low-to moderate-income families.
To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.
But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.

Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130795 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, citizenship by birth in this country grants US citizenship to persons born here. It has no bearing on foreign citizenship. Similarly, foreign citizenship by birth of a child of US citizens born in a foreign country does not strip the child of US citizenship.
Dale needs to put his play justice robe and gavel back in his toy box.
Yes, all persons born in this country are citizens, but only if they are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
Children of aliens are just that, they receive the citizenship of their father and his country of origin, at the moment of birth.
Aliens have never been subject to the US Constitution, this is only a right that a citizen enjoys.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130796 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Makes no difference, aliens have never had a say in our governmental process.
On the one hand, BirfoonBoy believes that aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the United States because they "have never had a say in our governmental process." However children have never had a say in our governmental process and millions of children in this country indeed are citizens and subject to/under the jurisdiction thereof.

BirfoonBoy has serious cognitive issues.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Insipid. Minor children have no say in our government either.
When were you first diagnosed with mental illness?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130797 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, citizenship by birth in the US is not a "recognition" of dual citizenship. It concerns US citizenship without regard to the political condition of the parents of a person born here.(Except for children of foreign ambassadors and foreign hostile occupying troops.)
Now put your play robe and gavel away in your toy box where they belong and grow up.
Sorry, all children born in this nation of aliens are citizens of their father's country of origin.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130798 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody cares about operation of Play Law interpretation of the 14th.
Grow up.
<quoted text>
Sorry, that is the way it works.

“zero nuclear weapons”

Since: Sep 08

Perryville

#130799 Nov 30, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Alexander Hamilton opposed granting citizenship immediately to new immigrants: "To admit foreigners indiscriminately to the rights of citizens, the moment they foot in our country would be nothing less than to admit the Grecian horse into the citadel of our liberty and sovereignty." Instead, he recommended that we gradually draw newcomers into American life, "to
enable aliens to get rid of foreign and acquire American attachments; to learn the principles and imbibe the spirit of our government; and to admit of a philosophy, at least, of their feeling a real interest in our affairs."
Theodore Roosevelt wrote: "In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birth place, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here."
Have you heard of this?

The New Colossus

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Do you understand the meaning behind these words?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130800 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, all persons born in this country are citizens, but only if they are "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
Children of aliens are just that, they receive the citizenship of their father and his country of origin, at the moment of birth.
Aliens have never been subject to the US Constitution, this is only a right that a citizen enjoys.
Play Law doesn't count, Alice.

Unlike Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so doesn't make it so.
-Judge Clay D. Land

What part of "sovereign nation" does BirfoonBoy not comprehend?

Foreign citizenship law has no force or effect in the United States.

BirfoonBoy's fantasy violates the principle of sovereignty. His delusion crashed and burned.

BirfoonBoy needs to put his play robe and gavel away in his toy box where it belongs.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, citizenship by birth in this country grants US citizenship to persons born here. It has no bearing on foreign citizenship. Similarly, foreign citizenship by birth of a child of US citizens born in a foreign country does not strip the child of US citizenship.
Dale needs to put his play justice robe and gavel back in his toy box.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130801 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Play Justice, birthright citizenship in the US neither "strips" nor affirms foreign citizenship.
Now put your play robe and gavel away in your toy box where they belong.
<quoted text>
it certainly does recognize foreign citizenship and law, if not we wouldn't have a Naturalization Act.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130802 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, that is the way it works.
It is quite evident that the delusional twit believes that Play Law "works", but it only works in his play room and not in the real world which is inhabited by rational adults.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Nobody cares about operation of Play Law interpretation of the 14th.
Grow up.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130803 Nov 30, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
The citizens did most of the early levee building. Try and grasp this point
<quoted text>
Johannes, Johannes, LRS and his birther ilk have not yet grasped that Romney lost and Obama is still president. And that is fairly recent, less than a month ago. How do you expect a crass vulgar fundamentalist birther tea partyer to grasp something that happened years ago? His prejudices, hate and envy prevent him from thinking on a rational level. C'mon, he talks about his beautiful nurse girl friend like it was real. LMAO (LRS tm reg'd).
Got plans to see her today! Great timing again jacqazz. Jealous? I know you are but that's just your nature. Jealous of everyone and everything! Again, jacqazz you're only repeating your worn out BS. You know, when I was curious about the levees, I researched the subject. Are you two nimrods too lazy to do your own? Guess you're waiting on the Gov. to pay someone to do it for you. pigeons (big time) LMAO!!!
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#130804 Nov 30, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, Yohannes failed to provide a link to support his allegations. The Army Corps of Engineers was instructed by CONGRESS to rebuild the CITY OWNED levees to withstand a Cat-2 hurricane after the 1965 Hurricane Betsy. And they did. It was never designed or built to withstand anything greater than a Cat-2 hurricane and that is not the fault of the Army Corps of Engineers.
If you go up the the Mississippi River levees that were designed, built and maintained by the Corps of Engineers you will see the difference. They are like golf courses. NO trees are allowed to grow on them and no varmints are allowed to borough into them either. The levees own by the City of New Orleans are totally different and it was not the fault of the Corps of Engineers.
The PHI heliport at N.O. was located next to the Mississippi River levee and, like I said, it is like a humped golf course. The grass is maintained better than most states maintain the grass next to Interstate Highways.
When I worked for PHI there were some days when we could not fly and once we spent three days during a hurricane evacuation from the Gulf as the PHI heliport at Venice was not only out side the Corps' levee but also the State's levees. Yep, PHI had their own levee and it was destroyed during Hurricane Katrina and they built a totally new heliport about five miles north of there that had a Corps' levee on the east side and a State's levee on the west side.
Sorry, I've done that several times, including yesterday. You can continue to ignore the facts and the truth, but it will not change anything.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130805 Nov 30, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born WITHIN THE JURISDICTION of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]
Grow up, loser.
<quoted text>
The national law Howard was speaking of was the Civil Rights Act of 1866, "all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power, are citizens of the US", this was the only national law pertaining to citizenship.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130806 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>it certainly does recognize foreign citizenship and law, if not we wouldn't have a Naturalization Act.
Sorry, Play Law only works in your play pen. Birthright citizenship concerns who is born a US citizen, not who is a foreign citizen. A stateless person is not a foreign citizen but is not a US citizen either. Such a person would have to be naturalized. The Naturalization Act does not depend upon recognition of foreign citizenship, but rather alienage of the person to be naturalized.

Now go put your play robe and gavel back in your toy box. Your momma wants to put you to bed for your nap.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, Play Justice, birthright citizenship in the US neither "strips" nor affirms foreign citizenship.
Now put your play robe and gavel away in your toy box where they belong.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#130807 Nov 30, 2012
Thomas the Pimp wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, Yohannes failed to provide a link to support his allegations. The Army Corps of Engineers was instructed by CONGRESS to rebuild the CITY OWNED levees to withstand a Cat-2 hurricane after the 1965 Hurricane Betsy. And they did. It was never designed or built to withstand anything greater than a Cat-2 hurricane and that is not the fault of the Army Corps of Engineers.
If you go up the the Mississippi River levees that were designed, built and maintained by the Corps of Engineers you will see the difference. They are like golf courses. NO trees are allowed to grow on them and no varmints are allowed to borough into them either. The levees own by the City of New Orleans are totally different and it was not the fault of the Corps of Engineers.
The PHI heliport at N.O. was located next to the Mississippi River levee and, like I said, it is like a humped golf course. The grass is maintained better than most states maintain the grass next to Interstate Highways.
When I worked for PHI there were some days when we could not fly and once we spent three days during a hurricane evacuation from the Gulf as the PHI heliport at Venice was not only out side the Corps' levee but also the State's levees. Yep, PHI had their own levee and it was destroyed during Hurricane Katrina and they built a totally new heliport about five miles north of there that had a Corps' levee on the east side and a State's levee on the west side.
In 29 August 2005 there were over 50 failures of the levees and flood walls protecting New Orleans, Louisiana, and its suburbs following passage of Hurricane Katrina and landfall in Mississippi. The levee and flood wall failures caused flooding in 80% of New Orleans and all of St. Bernard Parish. Tens of billions of gallons of water spilled into vast areas of New Orleans, flooding over 100,000 homes and businesses. Responsibility for the design and construction of the levee system belongs to the United States Army Corps of Engineers; the responsibility of maintenance belongs to the local levee boards. The Corps hands components of the system over to the local levee boards upon completion. When Katrina struck in 2005, the project was between 60-90% complete.[1] Five investigations (three major and two minor) were conducted by civil engineers and other experts, in an attempt to identify the underlying reasons for the failure of the federal flood protection system. All concur that the primary cause of the flooding was inadequate design and construction by the Corps of Engineers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_levee_failu...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130808 Nov 30, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I think she wants your wood. LMAO!!!
hahaha!! She can buy a chainsaw and leave my wood alone!

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130809 Nov 30, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The national law Howard was speaking of was the Civil Rights Act of 1866, "all persons born in the US and not subject to any foreign power, are citizens of the US", this was the only national law pertaining to citizenship.
What part of the following does BirfoonBoy fail to comprehend?“Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.”

Obviously the only way the two can be reconciled is by recognition that ordinary aliens in the US are not subject to any foreign power but are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.

BTW, that happens to be the law -- real law, not Play Law.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born WITHIN THE JURISDICTION of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]
Grow up, loser.

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