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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130666 Nov 29, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
fu too.
LMAO!!! That was 2 fu's you gave me, you want to make that 3! hahahaha!!!!
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130667 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! That was 2 fu's you gave me, you want to make that 3! hahahaha!!!!
Sure.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130668 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>to be "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" you must be a citizen.(14th Amend)
The US Constitution was created for "We the People/Citizens", not "We the aliens".
Says the birfoon who believes "We the People" renders the US less than a sovereign nation.

BTW, the 14th Amendment recites no requirement of citizenship to be subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Birfoons cannot comprehend plain English. Indeed, an alien must be under the jurisdiction of the US, a condition precedent to naturalization in the US.

Grow up.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
When traveling on vacation from the East coast to the West coast, you are subject to the jurisdiction of many states, but that does not give you citizenship to each of those states.
Now go put your play robe away and your toy gavel.
Grow up.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130669 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>finally, you are correct, they are not bound to the US Constitution by being subjects of it.
In addition to conflating citizenship and jurisdiction, the birfoon also conflates diplomatic status with alienage.

Sad. He needs to put his play justice robe and gavel back in his toy box.
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone in the USA including illegal aliens with the sold exception of the families of foreign diplomats is under the jurisdiction of the USA.
David Limbaugh

United States

#130670 Nov 29, 2012
Seriously???? Lets find a hobby please!!!! How about read a book. Try this one for starters http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Bailout-Fortune-... maybe that will quiet some of you loud mouths..

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130671 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Just who do you think the people are that form a government? Aliens have no say in our government, why, they are not subject to the US Constitution.
Insipid. Minor children have no say in our government either.

When were you first diagnosed with mental illness?
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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The Constitution was not created solely for citizens that is why the preamble states "We the People" not "We the Citizens". The constitution was created to protect ALL PEOPLE not just citizens.
"The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." These provisions are universal in their application, to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws." Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)
That is why your understanding of the Constitution is flawed is because you do not equate People in the Constitution with people who are not citizens.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130672 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no, the children born to aliens in this country assume the citizenship of their father's country, that is the right of that country and the US can not strip that citizenship away, unless requested by naturalization.
We practice the same, when our children are born off-shore.
All aliens while here are under, local, state and Fed. statutes by treaty, but never subject to the US Constitution. If they were subject to the Constitution, they could vote and participate in our government, which they can not.
Whether one is in this country "by treaty" or not does not change the fact that a those who are not foreign ambassadors or hostile occupying troops are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States while in this country and must obey our laws.

Grow up.
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed. EVERYONE who is in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Foreigners who are visiting the USA are not bound to the US Constitution, but if they have children in the USA, the children have allegiance to the US Constitution; they are Natural Born US Citizens.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130673 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no, the children born to aliens in this country assume the citizenship of their father's country, that is the right of that country and the US can not strip that citizenship away, unless requested by naturalization.
We practice the same, when our children are born off-shore.
All aliens while here are under, local, state and Fed. statutes by treaty, but never subject to the US Constitution.
Nonsense. Treaty provisions are subject to the treaty clause of the Constitution.

BTW, a person born of US citizens in Canada is a US citizen per 8 USC 1401, but also is a Canadian citizen per Canadian law.

It is an infantile notion that citizenship by birth in a foreign country "strips that [US] citizenship away," or that citizenship by birth in the US "strips away" foreign citizenship.

Put your play robe and gavel back in your toy box and grow up.
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed. EVERYONE who is in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Foreigners who are visiting the USA are not bound to the US Constitution, but if they have children in the USA, the children have allegiance to the US Constitution; they are Natural Born US Citizens.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130674 Nov 29, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
<quoted text>
Careful Jacques, don't rattle the Birfoon's cage. Just when you least expect it the skunk may spray. "Can't you smell him coming? U-huh, u-huh, u-huh"
We can hear them whining and moaning.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130675 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.
A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States.
Not one of you dweebs can prove the US Constitution isn't the jurisdiction over the United States.
With that said, not one of you can prove that an alien is "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", which is the Constitution.
Looks like Ark was DOA. Yep, just a piss-poor attempt to change the Constitution and failed.
Now! What are you going to do with 114+ years of BOGUS law?
Looks like Play Justice Dale needs to have his mommy put him to bed for a nap.

Four years of Play Law and $1.25 can get the Play Justice on a bus.

The constitution is the supreme law of the US, and ordinary aliens in this country are subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130676 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, the Constitution does not recognize a dual-citizenship and the US government can't strip a citizenship away, unless naturalized.
Aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, if this were so you would be a citizen, just by setting foot on US soil.
Sorry, citizenship by birth in this country grants US citizenship to persons born here. It has no bearing on foreign citizenship. Similarly, foreign citizenship by birth of a child of US citizens born in a foreign country does not strip the child of US citizenship.

Dale needs to put his play justice robe and gavel back in his toy box.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130677 Nov 29, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Ark was an exception and the court was wrong! English common law was not followed in this country as it was in England. So everyone born on US soil is NOT a US citizen. Period.
C.f., Allan Benny, Julia Lynch, Look Tin Sing, inter alia.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130678 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>You can't read into the Constitution what isn't there, to recognize a dual-citizenship will take an amendment.
The Fuller court had the same problem.
Sorry, citizenship by birth in the US is not a "recognition" of dual citizenship. It concerns US citizenship without regard to the political condition of the parents of a person born here.(Except for children of foreign ambassadors and foreign hostile occupying troops.)

Now put your play robe and gavel away in your toy box where they belong and grow up.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130679 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>the courts have using the premise that aliens are subject to the Constitution, they are not.
I don't have to argue or get an amendment, the Constitution has spoken.
According to Play Law they are not. Who cares?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130680 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>like I stated before, by operation of the 14th, there are no dual-citizens. You don't get US citizenship at birth if you are subject to another nation.
Nobody cares about operation of Play Law interpretation of the 14th.

Grow up.
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no mention of dual citizens being treated differently from any other citizens. If they were born in the USA they, like all the other citizens born in the USA, were born subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130681 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no such thing as a dual-citizen in the US, per the Constitution. The US government does not have the authority to strip a citizenship from a child that is passed from his father and the father's nation. That will have to be done by naturalization later in his life.
Sorry, Play Justice, birthright citizenship in the US neither "strips" nor affirms foreign citizenship.

Now put your play robe and gavel away in your toy box where they belong.
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
AS I stated before, everyone born in the USA except the children of foreign diplomats is born subject to the jurisdiction of the USA and is not subject to another nation. You are right about dual citizenship not being mentioned. By it not being mentioned, it means that dual citizens born in the USA are to be treated just like every other child born in the USA.

“life under BO”

Since: Sep 12

buena vista

#130682 Nov 29, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, I don't live in one of the top 47% states who do not pay income tax as you do. LMAO!!!
No, dingus you live in the worst managed state in the entire country. You must be so proud.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130683 Nov 29, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>I see you are having problems with the comma, also see you have not pointed out the laws Howard used in penning the Citizenship Clause.
Finish your assignment!
“They became such in virtue of national law, or rather natural law which recognizes persons born WITHIN THE JURISDICTION of every country as being subjects or citizens of that country. Such persons were, therefore, citizens of the United States as WERE BORN IN THE COUNTRY or were made by naturalization.” Senator Jacob Howard, Cong. Globe 39th Cong., 1st Sess, 2765 (1866).[emphasis added]

Grow up, loser.
Ellen1 wrote:
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So he said two different things. And by the way, the only people who are born in the USA who are "foreigners, aliens" are those who are the children of foreign diplomats.
John Bingham, another of the writers of the 14th Amendment, said:
“Who does not know that every person born within the limits of the Republic is, in the language of the Constitution, a natural-born citizen.” Rep. Bingham, The congressional globe, Volume 61, Part 2. pg. 2212 (1869)”
And still another, Senator Lyman Trumbull, said:
"It is the common law of this country, and of all countries, and it was unnecessary to incorporate it in the Constitution, that a person is a citizen of the country in which he is born…. I read from Paschal's Annotated Constitution, note 274:‘All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together.’ Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country as well as of England. There are two exceptions, and only two, to the universality of its application. The children of ambassadors are, in theory, born in the allegiance of the powers the ambassadors represent, and slaves, in legal contemplation, are property, and not persons.”—Sen. Trumbull, Cong. Globe. 1st Session, 42nd Congress, pt. 1, pg. 575 (1872)
Grand Birther

Oregon, OH

#130684 Nov 29, 2012
Birfers, what's the lie of the day?

Are birfers pretending their silly cases haven't "been heard?"

Are birfers pretending they have a new, secret interpretation of "jurisdiction" that only they know?(And they cannot support with case law)

Must be fun to play pretend on the internet all day and cash those government cheques, eh birfers?

LMAO!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130685 Nov 29, 2012
Just me wrote:
<quoted text>
I thought you laughed your AO a long time ago. I thought GB didn't have a life but it was you who repeatedly posted all day on Thanksgiving while others were spending time with their loved ones. Can't you find anything more productive to do with your life?
Remain silent little boy!

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