BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...
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Just me

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Johannes wrote:
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The point being that you are trying to draw a connection between Yucaipa with Watts and East LA (East Los to the locals) where there isn't one.
The Mason-Dixon line isn't imaginary, it's real.
Being in Southern California in now way connects one with the South, the land of backwards red-necks. You obviously don't know that when people refer to the South, they are talking about the States in Rebellion.
Do you consider South Dakota to be part of the South as well????
I thought the connection was Interstate 10. ; )
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fu
LMAO!!!!!
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You consider $5M to a charity a stunt? Wonder how the charities feel about that? Omama didn't "cowboy up"! sad very sad
Seriously? No particular charity was ever named so why would any charity have any feelings about not receiving the money?
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<quoted text>ALSO then everybody would know Obama is illegal and went to Occidental & Columbia as a foreigner with a 2.6GPA and penchant for unmentionable acts with other men.
Dream on. Obama has released his birth certificate (short form and long form) and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed the facts on it and it is further confirmed by the Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961. The story that Obama attended school as a foreigner comes from AN APRIL FOOL's article, and it is hardly likely that a man who went on to attend Harvard Law School and graduated from it MAGNA CUM LAUDE, got only a 2.6 GPA.

Much more likely is that Mitt Romney, who also did not show his college transcripts or passport records, got a 2.6 GPA.

In any case, it is an excellent thing that Obama did not take up Trump's $5 million offer. It is not good precedent for the President of the United States to do anything for money, even money offered to charity.
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!!!!
fu too.
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Ellen1 wrote:
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fu too.
LMAO!!! That was 2 fu's you gave me, you want to make that 3! hahahaha!!!!
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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO!!! That was 2 fu's you gave me, you want to make that 3! hahahaha!!!!
Sure.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>to be "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof" you must be a citizen.(14th Amend)
The US Constitution was created for "We the People/Citizens", not "We the aliens".
Says the birfoon who believes "We the People" renders the US less than a sovereign nation.

BTW, the 14th Amendment recites no requirement of citizenship to be subject to the jurisdiction of the US. Birfoons cannot comprehend plain English. Indeed, an alien must be under the jurisdiction of the US, a condition precedent to naturalization in the US.

Grow up.
wojar wrote:
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When traveling on vacation from the East coast to the West coast, you are subject to the jurisdiction of many states, but that does not give you citizenship to each of those states.
Now go put your play robe away and your toy gavel.
Grow up.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>finally, you are correct, they are not bound to the US Constitution by being subjects of it.
In addition to conflating citizenship and jurisdiction, the birfoon also conflates diplomatic status with alienage.

Sad. He needs to put his play justice robe and gavel back in his toy box.
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Everyone in the USA including illegal aliens with the sold exception of the families of foreign diplomats is under the jurisdiction of the USA.
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Seriously???? Lets find a hobby please!!!! How about read a book. Try this one for starters http://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Bailout-Fortune-... maybe that will quiet some of you loud mouths..

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Just who do you think the people are that form a government? Aliens have no say in our government, why, they are not subject to the US Constitution.
Insipid. Minor children have no say in our government either.

When were you first diagnosed with mental illness?
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The Constitution was not created solely for citizens that is why the preamble states "We the People" not "We the Citizens". The constitution was created to protect ALL PEOPLE not just citizens.
"The Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution is not confined to the protection of citizens. It says: "Nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." These provisions are universal in their application, to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction, without regard to any differences of race, of color, or of nationality; and the equal protection of the laws is a pledge of the protection of equal laws." Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369 (1886)
That is why your understanding of the Constitution is flawed is because you do not equate People in the Constitution with people who are not citizens.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no, the children born to aliens in this country assume the citizenship of their father's country, that is the right of that country and the US can not strip that citizenship away, unless requested by naturalization.
We practice the same, when our children are born off-shore.
All aliens while here are under, local, state and Fed. statutes by treaty, but never subject to the US Constitution. If they were subject to the Constitution, they could vote and participate in our government, which they can not.
Whether one is in this country "by treaty" or not does not change the fact that a those who are not foreign ambassadors or hostile occupying troops are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States while in this country and must obey our laws.

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Indeed. EVERYONE who is in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Foreigners who are visiting the USA are not bound to the US Constitution, but if they have children in the USA, the children have allegiance to the US Constitution; they are Natural Born US Citizens.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>no, the children born to aliens in this country assume the citizenship of their father's country, that is the right of that country and the US can not strip that citizenship away, unless requested by naturalization.
We practice the same, when our children are born off-shore.
All aliens while here are under, local, state and Fed. statutes by treaty, but never subject to the US Constitution.
Nonsense. Treaty provisions are subject to the treaty clause of the Constitution.

BTW, a person born of US citizens in Canada is a US citizen per 8 USC 1401, but also is a Canadian citizen per Canadian law.

It is an infantile notion that citizenship by birth in a foreign country "strips that [US] citizenship away," or that citizenship by birth in the US "strips away" foreign citizenship.

Put your play robe and gavel back in your toy box and grow up.
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Indeed. EVERYONE who is in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA. Foreigners who are visiting the USA are not bound to the US Constitution, but if they have children in the USA, the children have allegiance to the US Constitution; they are Natural Born US Citizens.

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Careful Jacques, don't rattle the Birfoon's cage. Just when you least expect it the skunk may spray. "Can't you smell him coming? U-huh, u-huh, u-huh"
We can hear them whining and moaning.

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Justice Dale wrote:
A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.
A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States.
Not one of you dweebs can prove the US Constitution isn't the jurisdiction over the United States.
With that said, not one of you can prove that an alien is "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", which is the Constitution.
Looks like Ark was DOA. Yep, just a piss-poor attempt to change the Constitution and failed.
Now! What are you going to do with 114+ years of BOGUS law?
Looks like Play Justice Dale needs to have his mommy put him to bed for a nap.

Four years of Play Law and $1.25 can get the Play Justice on a bus.

The constitution is the supreme law of the US, and ordinary aliens in this country are subject to the jurisdiction of the US.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>sorry, the Constitution does not recognize a dual-citizenship and the US government can't strip a citizenship away, unless naturalized.
Aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution, if this were so you would be a citizen, just by setting foot on US soil.
Sorry, citizenship by birth in this country grants US citizenship to persons born here. It has no bearing on foreign citizenship. Similarly, foreign citizenship by birth of a child of US citizens born in a foreign country does not strip the child of US citizenship.

Dale needs to put his play justice robe and gavel back in his toy box.

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LRS wrote:
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Ark was an exception and the court was wrong! English common law was not followed in this country as it was in England. So everyone born on US soil is NOT a US citizen. Period.
C.f., Allan Benny, Julia Lynch, Look Tin Sing, inter alia.

You are entitled to your own opinion, but not to your own facts.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>You can't read into the Constitution what isn't there, to recognize a dual-citizenship will take an amendment.
The Fuller court had the same problem.
Sorry, citizenship by birth in the US is not a "recognition" of dual citizenship. It concerns US citizenship without regard to the political condition of the parents of a person born here.(Except for children of foreign ambassadors and foreign hostile occupying troops.)

Now put your play robe and gavel away in your toy box where they belong and grow up.

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>the courts have using the premise that aliens are subject to the Constitution, they are not.
I don't have to argue or get an amendment, the Constitution has spoken.
According to Play Law they are not. Who cares?

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Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>like I stated before, by operation of the 14th, there are no dual-citizens. You don't get US citizenship at birth if you are subject to another nation.
Nobody cares about operation of Play Law interpretation of the 14th.

Grow up.
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There is no mention of dual citizens being treated differently from any other citizens. If they were born in the USA they, like all the other citizens born in the USA, were born subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.

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