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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Poppo wrote:
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I have no desire to move anywhere Rogue. California seems as good a place as any in the world as far as I’m concerned. At least for me it’s been, but to presume me or anyone else is better off here than “any” country in Africa would suggest you have not only an extensive knowledge of the economic stability or standard living in every country in Africa, but an inner knowledge of my economic circumstances and desires as well. Simply said you have no idea where I would be better off.
Not for me, but case in point;
“I never felt that I belonged in America, but I didn’t think of actually leaving until after my second visit in the summer of 1999. By then, I knew Africa was where I wanted and needed to be; it was my natural habitat. Simplicity, humane people, low crime, less stress, relaxed rules, temperate weather, cultural norms, better diet, natural lifestyle; all of these and more, just calling my name. Also, I felt my calling as a community organizer and educator would be more needed and better appreciated in Africa.”
http://blackexpat.com/new/magazine-archives/2...
Put down the crack pipe, you've totally flipped.

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American Lady

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Nov 28, 2012
 
“Behind the plotters are drug cartels that have penetrated the US government, former lobbyists who were moved into government during the Bush administration and now are suspected of being involved in a coup attempt.”

Seventy hours ago, at this writing, while on Air Force One, President Barack Obama issued a press release that has been utterly ignored by the Western Press.
The president has openly announced a move against violent plotters inside the US government and espionage agents. He does not use the terms “AIPAC” or “the Israel lobby” but it is highly unlikely he could be referring to anything else.
In fact, we can think of no other group.
I was privately briefed on some of the reasons behind this document. On what is known, not “surmised,” I will explain:

AIPAC, decapitators inside US government: Intelligence analyst

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/26/press...
Jacques Ottawa

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Jacques Ottawa

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>So, foreigners don't have the protection of their country when traveling abroad?
Of course they don't. No foreigner does. What there is, it's called consular accords which not all nations have adhered to. If such an accord exists, the state where the foreigner is incarcerated has to advise said foreigner's embassy or consulate of his arrest. Not always done. A list of attorneys may be supplied and if so agreable, visiting rights will be granted consular personnel from the diplomatic mission. That is all that can be done, the foreigner is at the complete mercy of the host country. There is no protection for him except what the host country is willing to offer - and often, it's nothing. For example, a Canadian arrested for any infraction in the United States comes under US legal jurisdiction, PERIOD, and they can do what they want with him.
Jacques Ottawa

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>I guess every treaty is void.
There are extradition treaties and imprisonment treaties where a prisoner may finish his sentence in his own country. That's it. And, the two preceding treaties are not binding. We've refused extradition to the US for example unless it waived the death penalty. We've also refused to have Canadian prisoner finish their jail sentence here. Although we have a treaty with the US, we never extradited Vietnam-era draft dodgers.

But get this into you head. YOU vacation in , let's say Morocco. They entrap foreigners with marijuana sales there. Weed is sold to stupid tourists, vendor turns around and tells police who pay him for the information, foreigners are arrested, jailed for possession, embassy duly advised, a ready-made-lawyer is offered, expensive, plus fine of $2,000 for having broken the tobacco monopoly (yes, your read right) and $2,000 for court costs. Nothing, absolutely nothing the embassy can do for its nationals, except ask parents or relatives through its communications facilities to gather the money to pay the fines. After all is said and done, with the foreigners languishing in inhumane prisons,(tougher in the north, more relaxed in the south) fines are paid, they are released and don't even have to leave the country. Some idiots, fools, imbeciles, even get caught a second time

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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<quoted text>The US Constitution has jurisdiction over our citizen, no matter where they are.
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We can not stop other countries from imprisoning our citizens. But we can criminally charge American citizens abroad. Why, did you know of anyone that got court-martialed in the Marines overseas?
If you are a member of NATO, if you are in another NATO country, you can not be arrested by the host nation unless we say they can. In Japan we have had Marines and Sailors rape Japanese women and the Japanese usually ask for custody and we usually give it but we do not have to.
First you say that we can't stop a nation from imprisoning our citizens. That's pretty much what I said. Then you say that if I am a member of NATO and if I am in another NATO country they have to ask permission to arrest me??? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I just don't see the French Securitee phoning the embassy to see if they can arrest me as I hold up a pharmacy.
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Nov 28, 2012
 
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If aliens are in the USA and are not foreign diplomats, they are subject to the USA because they must obey the laws of the USA. Foreign diplomats, who are not subject to the USA do not have to obey the laws of the USA (but if they don't, we can declare them persona non grata, and send them home).
Right on. 100% correct.
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<quoted text>here,,,,,,,,,,you place them where they belong, OK.(Ref. Mark Twain)
Just remember not to correct others lest you be corrected. And you corrected a typo, not even an error. Yours was an error, though.
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
No, they cannot. Absolutely not. All they can do is offer consular assistance. Which may make life easier materially, that's IT. Aliens have no recourse and are at the total mercy of the justice systemt where they have been detained. PERIOD.
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The US Constitution has jurisdiction over our citizen, no matter where they are.
In principle, perhaps, in practice, no.

A US citizen is arrested in Spain for heroin smuggling. Tell us, what can the US do for him should it choose to intervene?
Johannes

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Nov 28, 2012
 
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The only F-up I see is your asinine question. Are you seriously saying that you cannot follow what RS was/is saying?
The Lifer has NEVER answered my question.

Not your thread so butt out! LMAO!!!
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The US Constitution has jurisdiction over our citizen, no matter where they are.
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We can not stop other countries from imprisoning our citizens. But we can criminally charge American citizens abroad. Why, did you know of anyone that got court-martialed in the Marines overseas?
If you are a member of NATO, if you are in another NATO country, you can not be arrested by the host nation unless we say they can. In Japan we have had Marines and Sailors rape Japanese women and the Japanese usually ask for custody and we usually give it but we do not have to.
Oh yeah? An American citizen robs a bank in, let's say, Lima, Peru. The Peruvians decide not to arrest and prosecute him, as he has "contacts". Even if they want to go after him, the US cannot unless he returns to the US, and even prosecution there is tenuous at best as crime happened outside its borders.

All NATO non-diplomatic personnel can be arrested abroad for infractions, and believe me, they are. If "crime" was not too serious, they will be released to their NATO commandant as a mere courtesy but mostly because they want to be rid of them. Only diplomats cannot be detained, but and as Ellen said, can be declared persona non grata and expelled "sur le champ".

In war , it's different, we all know that.
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
I guess Obama has no cents of humor.
"Obama in Pee Pee" up to $11,300, removed by eBay
This morning Glenn decided to put his ‘art’ up for auction, and during the radio program today "Obama in Pee Pee" went online to the highest bidder. Within minutes bids reached $11,300 but then the auction came to a screeching halt. eBay abruptly closed the auction - Glenn reacts on radio today.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/28/ebay-remo...
President Obama has nothing to do with this so why do you try to connect him with it?

Ah, I remember, the Lifer is a dem hater.

Remember folks, all dems are bad and all repubs are good.
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I guess Obama has no cents of humor.
"Obama in Pee Pee" up to $11,300, removed by eBay
This morning Glenn decided to put his ‘art’ up for auction, and during the radio program today "Obama in Pee Pee" went online to the highest bidder. Within minutes bids reached $11,300 but then the auction came to a screeching halt. eBay abruptly closed the auction - Glenn reacts on radio today.
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/11/28/ebay-remo...
First of all,it's in extremely bad taste. Second of all, it should have been stopped immediately, way before it went to auction. Beck should've been questioned and sent to a shrink.
Grand Birther

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#130525
Nov 28, 2012
 
Birfers, I noticed that President Barack Hussein Obama was still president today.

What gives?
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Grand Birther wrote:
Birfers, I noticed that President Barack Hussein Obama was still president today.
What gives?
You, under pressure? Just a guess.
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Nov 28, 2012
 
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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First of all,it's in extremely bad taste. Second of all, it should have been stopped immediately, way before it went to auction. Beck should've been questioned and sent to a shrink.
Freedom of speech. I'm sure you were just as upset over this so-called piece of art.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/smithsonian-c...
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Nov 28, 2012
 
LRS wrote:
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You, under pressure? Just a guess.
Birfer, can you explain why 175+ court cases have failed?

Just wondering.
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Birfer, can you explain why 175+ court cases have failed?
Just wondering.
Because they weren't heard?

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Oh, come on Lifer. You are avoiding me.
You said that we are still at war with North Korea. I have asked you twice for the date the USA declared war on North Korea. Where is your answer?
Is this going to be yet another one of your F-ups???
Okay Yonhannes, We did not declare war on Korea. When did we declare war during the Quasi-War of 1798? The fact is we have not formally declared war on anyone since WWII.
Sooooo, if we were not at war with North Korea, why did we sign an armistice with them? And what did LBJ do when the North Korea captured the USS Pueblo in 1968 in international waters? Or what did Nixon do when North Korea shot down one of our EC-121's in 1969 also in international waters?
Just a reminder, Nixon may have been a Republican but he was also a ..... Progressive like Obami!

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