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Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130468 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
So that the former foreigners can vote, of course. Moreover, a naturalized US citizen has the protection of the USA when traveling abroad, which foreigners do not have.
So, foreigners don't have the protection of their country when traveling abroad?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130469 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
We have about 196 countries on this planet. Each has its own laws. Those laws count in each respective country and NEVER across its borders into another sovereign country. Geez.
I guess every treaty is void.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130471 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Because it's incorrect and misplaced punctuation. How can pause after "problems"? You didn't write those perfectly-written depositions when discussing the constitution. You are incapable of even knowing where to place a comma.
here,,,,,,,,,,you place them where they belong, OK.(Ref. Mark Twain)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130472 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>A
Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.
A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States.
Get use to it, Puss.
Which has nothing to do with Play Justice Dale's insipid theory of jurisdiction which renders the "constitutional republic" something less than a sovereign nation.

Grow up.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale's play law interpretation is play law.
Don't forget to put on your engineer's cap when you play with your choo choo train, Play Justice. All aboard the crazy train!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130473 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
If aliens are in the USA and are not foreign diplomats, they are subject to the USA because they must obey the laws of the USA. Foreign diplomats, who are not subject to the USA do not have to obey the laws of the USA (but if they don't, we can declare them persona non grata, and send them home).
They are under the jurisdiction of, local, state and Fed statutes, but never subject to the Constitution, unless naturalized.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130474 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>I guess every treaty is void.
Play Law is void. Grow up.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130475 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>if foreign law has no force, why do we have a naturalization process?
If a person is not a US citizen per US law, that person must be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. It has nothing to do with foreign law. Even a stateless person who is not a US citizen would need to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. Foreign law is irrelevant.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
He wasn't born a subject of another nation per US law, under the US Constitution. US law is concerned with who is a citizen or who is not a citizen per US law, and is not dependent on foreign law. Foreign law has no force or effect within the US. The US is a sovereign nation, not a British colony. Sorry, British law cannot determine who is a US citizen.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130476 Nov 28, 2012
But what they did not mention is that EVERY year that amount of ice melts and the...... refreezes by the end of winter!!!

Arctic sea ice larger than US melted this year
By By MICHAEL CASEY | Associated Press

DOHA, Qatar (AP) An area of Arctic sea ice bigger than the United States melted this year, according the U.N. weather agency, which said the dramatic decline illustrates that climate change is happening "before our eyes."
http://news.yahoo.com/arctic-sea-ice-larger-u...

Nor will they tell you that since 2007 both the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice had been GROWING!!!

| 9/19/2012 @ 12:14PM |301,974 views
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record

Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.
.......
NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...

Silly Libtards still think we are in Global Warming. Oh, I know, they changed it to Climate Change about six years ago to cover their butts as they know that the Earth is chillin' out!!!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. All Chicken Littles should go find a deep basement to hide it.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130477 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Which has nothing to do with Play Justice Dale's insipid theory of jurisdiction which renders the "constitutional republic" something less than a sovereign nation.
Grow up.
<quoted text>
Has everything to do with, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", that would be the US Constitution, not a bunch of simple traffic laws.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130478 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Has everything to do with, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", that would be the US Constitution, not a bunch of simple traffic laws.
The meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" has been defined by the US Supreme Court to mean subject to the laws. Everyone in the USA is subject to the laws of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130479 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
But what they did not mention is that EVERY year that amount of ice melts and the...... refreezes by the end of winter!!!
Arctic sea ice larger than US melted this year
By By MICHAEL CASEY | Associated Press
DOHA, Qatar (AP) An area of Arctic sea ice bigger than the United States melted this year, according the U.N. weather agency, which said the dramatic decline illustrates that climate change is happening "before our eyes."
http://news.yahoo.com/arctic-sea-ice-larger-u...
Nor will they tell you that since 2007 both the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice had been GROWING!!!
| 9/19/2012 @ 12:14PM |301,974 views
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.
.......
NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
Silly Libtards still think we are in Global Warming. Oh, I know, they changed it to Climate Change about six years ago to cover their butts as they know that the Earth is chillin' out!!!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. All Chicken Littles should go find a deep basement to hide it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/28...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d34e64d8-38cf-11e2-...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130480 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If a person is not a US citizen per US law, that person must be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. It has nothing to do with foreign law. Even a stateless person who is not a US citizen would need to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. Foreign law is irrelevant.
<quoted text>
hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130481 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>They are under the jurisdiction of, local, state and Fed statutes, but never subject to the Constitution, unless naturalized.
Yes, but Amendment 14 does NOT say "subject to the Constitution." It says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."

Everyone in the USA is subject to the USA. As for the Constitution, that MAY be a different matter. But everyone in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the laws and powers of the USA. If a person in the USA were not subject to the USA, she or he would not have to obey our laws.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130482 Nov 28, 2012
And here they blame Global Warming for the growing sea ice in Antarctic. What a hoot. Not only does Global Warming cause flood but it also causes droughts and it causes more snow, more sea ice, the glaciers to grown, etc.

Global warming causing Antarctic ice to expand

11:40AM EDT October 11. 2012 - WASHINGTON (AP)-- The ice goes on seemingly forever in a white pancake-flat landscape, stretching farther than ever before. And yet in this confounding region of the world, that spreading ice may be a cockeyed signal of man-made climate change, scientists say.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2012/10...

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130484 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Wrong.

A foreign nation can't "intervene" on behalf of its citizens while they are in the United States. It is called sovereignty.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#130485 Nov 28, 2012
Statement by Secretary Napolitano on President Obama's Intent to Nominate David Heyman as Assistant Secretary for Policy and her Appointment of Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development
Release Date: April 24, 2009

http://www.dhs.gov/news/2009/04/24/secretary-...

Hezbollah Defender Arif Alikhan Appointed By Team Obama To DHS
October 8, 2009
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/i...

Homeland Security ???
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130486 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" has been defined by the US Supreme Court to mean subject to the laws. Everyone in the USA is subject to the laws of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.
which was a change to the constitution, the USSC does not have this authority.
"Subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", means the Constitution, aliens have never been subject to it, if so they would be called citizens.
Ark is not worth the paper it was written on.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130487 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but Amendment 14 does NOT say "subject to the Constitution." It says:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."
Everyone in the USA is subject to the USA. As for the Constitution, that MAY be a different matter. But everyone in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the laws and powers of the USA. If a person in the USA were not subject to the USA, she or he would not have to obey our laws.
It sure does!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130488 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but Amendment 14 does NOT say "subject to the Constitution." It says:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."
Everyone in the USA is subject to the USA. As for the Constitution, that MAY be a different matter. But everyone in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the laws and powers of the USA. If a person in the USA were not subject to the USA, she or he would not have to obey our laws.
the jurisdiction over the US government is the Constitution.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130489 Nov 28, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
A foreign nation can't "intervene" on behalf of its citizens while they are in the United States. It is called sovereignty.
The hell they can't, we have done it many times, but Obama sure dropped the ball with Benghazi.

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