BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story

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Since: Dec 08

RationalState

#130442 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>quite the contrary, he was born a citizen of his father's nation, the Constitution hasn't any control over that fact. As you know all persons born subject of other nations, must be naturalized, for citizenship in the US.
He wasn't born a subject of another nation per US law, under the US Constitution. US law is concerned with who is a citizen or who is not a citizen per US law, and is not dependent on foreign law. Foreign law has no force or effect within the US. The US is a sovereign nation, not a British colony. Sorry, British law cannot determine who is a US citizen.
Justus Liebig wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting that he was not born a foreign citizen "under the Constitution."
If not born a foreign citizen "under the constitution" then he was born a British subject under British law, which has no force or effect in the US and no bearing on citizenship of persons born in the US.
Play law doesn't count. It crashes and burns every time.
Do you have a play justice robe to go with your toy gavel?
<quoted text>
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130443 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>To be born a citizen of the US, one must be born exclusively "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", simply stating, not subject to any foreign power.
With $2.00 and the JAG's opinion, you might buy a beer.
Dream on. That is your fantasy. The law holds that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
Grand Bither

Oregon, OH

#130445 Nov 28, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
<quoted text>
The old lack of standing excuse, AGAIN, huh?
Apparently no one has the standing to challenge the US's illegal usurper pResident.
One of these days the Republicans will find their common sense and balls.
Until then, we shall all suffer immensely.
Sorry, birfoon, but standing is actually required by the Constitution, rather unlike the birfoon fantasy two citizen parent rule.

Why do birfoons hate the Constitution?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130446 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Says the birfoon who believes municipal law in the US is unconstitutional.
Play robes and a toy gavel do not make Play Justice Dale anything but a delusional fool living in a play world.
<quoted text>
you still having problems, reading?
Grand Bither

Oregon, OH

#130447 Nov 28, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
<quoted text>
Yucaipa seems to be in southern California.
Both Watts and East LA are located in southern California.
Get the point?
You are either north or south of that imaginary Mason-Dixon line across this nation.
I would say you are south.
Since when was the Mason Dixon Line imaginary? Since when did the Mason Dixon line extend across the US?

I guess you slept through History class before you dropped out of school, huh? Your lack of edumacation is showing again, birfer.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130448 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You consider $5M to a charity a stunt? Wonder how the charities feel about that? Omama didn't "cowboy up"! sad very sad
(1) when a supporter of your political opponent makes you an offer, it is common sense to ignore it; (2) It is not a good precedent for the President of the United States to do something for an offer of money by an individual, even if the money is for charity; (3) if Trump wanted to give $5 million to charity, he could give it without making an "offer" to Obama.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130449 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>That is right, not being subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, must mean you belong to another country.(ref. 14th amend)
The only people in the USA who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA are foreign diplomats and their families.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130450 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is a decision by the US Army Judge Advocate General's office that says that a US-born child whose father was a German citizen who was never naturalized is a Natural Born US Citizen. And it specifically says that dual citizenship does not affect the situation.
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/0...
Moreover, sadly you have not been following CONSERVATIVE legal principles. Conservatives have always said that foreign laws do not affect, and cannot be allowed to affect US laws. And in the case of dual citizenship that is exactly right, US law does not allow foreign laws to affect US Citizen status (or as the JAG ruling shows, NBC status), and yet you think that they do.
Well, that is giving entirely too much power to foreign laws, a most non-conservative thing to do. And besides, it is not the law, foreign citizenship laws simply have NO effect on US citizens in the USA.
Excellent point.

Foreign nation's citizenship laws do not have any legal effect upon a person born in the United States to alien parents until such time that person chooses to reside in that foreign nation.
Moreover, that same person is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States while residing in the United States. No foreign nation has any jurisdiction over its citizens while they reside in the United States.

Without entering upon this subject (which properly belongs to a general treatise upon public law), it may be truly said that no nation is bound to respect the laws of another nation made in regard to the subjects of the latter which are nonresidents. The obligatory force of such laws of any nation cannot extend beyond its own territories. Whatever may be the intrinsic or obligatory force of such laws upon such persons, if they should return to their native country, they can have none in other nations wherein they reside. Such laws may give rise to personal relations between the sovereign and subjects, to be enforced in his own domains; but they do not rightfully extend to other nations. Rundell v. La Campagnie Generale Transatlantique, 100 Fed. 655, 660 (7th Cir. 1900)(quoting Justice Story, Commentaries of the Conflict of Laws (section 22)(1834)
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130451 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
He wasn't born a subject of another nation per US law, under the US Constitution. US law is concerned with who is a citizen or who is not a citizen per US law, and is not dependent on foreign law. Foreign law has no force or effect within the US. The US is a sovereign nation, not a British colony. Sorry, British law cannot determine who is a US citizen.
<quoted text>
if foreign law has no force, why do we have a naturalization process?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130452 Nov 28, 2012
Grand Bither wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's yet another issue on which the Supreme Court disagrees with birfoons.
Why are birfoons always wrong?
Birfoons do like to agree with the supreme court when it suits them. Like the re-affirmation of the 2nd amendment. Oh, they love the supremes on that one.

And do we hear the so-called "libtards" (rogue tm reg'd) go on and on about that one? For months, years, criticize the judgement? No. Why? Because the Supreme court has spoken and not everyone will agree, but hey, you go on with life. Birthers and tea partyers can't do that, they stamp their little feet and turn blue instead. Pathetic.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130453 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you still having problems, reading?
YOU have problems writing. Why the comma following "problems?". Punctuation not your strong suit, is it? Second time in 3 days you made the same mistake.
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#130454 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You consider $5M to a charity a stunt? Wonder how the charities feel about that? Omama didn't "cowboy up"! sad very sad
Oh get real! Just about everything Trump does is for his publicity.

Obama is not required to participate in Trump stunts. End of story.

Hey, since Donald has so much money, why doesn't he give some to charity?...quietly...
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130455 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>if foreign law has no force, why do we have a naturalization process?
So that the former foreigners can vote, of course. Moreover, a naturalized US citizen has the protection of the USA when traveling abroad, which foreigners do not have.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130456 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>if foreign law has no force, why do we have a naturalization process?
We have about 196 countries on this planet. Each has its own laws. Those laws count in each respective country and NEVER across its borders into another sovereign country. Geez.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130457 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Dream on. That is your fantasy. The law holds that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
not so, the law states, you must be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution. Those born here that are subjects of, or subject to any foreign power, do not acquire US citizenship.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130459 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
(1) when a supporter of your political opponent makes you an offer, it is common sense to ignore it; (2) It is not a good precedent for the President of the United States to do something for an offer of money by an individual, even if the money is for charity; (3) if Trump wanted to give $5 million to charity, he could give it without making an "offer" to Obama.
Do you think repeating the same old shat over and over makes one bit of difference? I guess you missed the point. It was a challenge to Omama and Omama declined. Makes no sense if his papers are all legit! What is Omama hiding? Something, that's for sure.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130460 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The only people in the USA who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA are foreign diplomats and their families.
aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof",(US Constitution), this is only the right of a citizen, you know "We the People of the United States".
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130462 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU have problems writing. Why the comma following "problems?". Punctuation not your strong suit, is it? Second time in 3 days you made the same mistake.
Why not?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130463 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>not so, the law states, you must be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution. Those born here that are subjects of, or subject to any foreign power, do not acquire US citizenship.
Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen. Everyone who is in the USA even if only visiting is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA except for foreign diplomats.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130464 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Why not?
Because it's incorrect and misplaced punctuation. How can pause after "problems"? You didn't write those perfectly-written depositions when discussing the constitution. You are incapable of even knowing where to place a comma.

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