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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130478 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Has everything to do with, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", that would be the US Constitution, not a bunch of simple traffic laws.
The meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" has been defined by the US Supreme Court to mean subject to the laws. Everyone in the USA is subject to the laws of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130479 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
But what they did not mention is that EVERY year that amount of ice melts and the...... refreezes by the end of winter!!!
Arctic sea ice larger than US melted this year
By By MICHAEL CASEY | Associated Press
DOHA, Qatar (AP) An area of Arctic sea ice bigger than the United States melted this year, according the U.N. weather agency, which said the dramatic decline illustrates that climate change is happening "before our eyes."
http://news.yahoo.com/arctic-sea-ice-larger-u...
Nor will they tell you that since 2007 both the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice had been GROWING!!!
| 9/19/2012 @ 12:14PM |301,974 views
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.
.......
NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
Silly Libtards still think we are in Global Warming. Oh, I know, they changed it to Climate Change about six years ago to cover their butts as they know that the Earth is chillin' out!!!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. All Chicken Littles should go find a deep basement to hide it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/28...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d34e64d8-38cf-11e2-...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130480 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If a person is not a US citizen per US law, that person must be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. It has nothing to do with foreign law. Even a stateless person who is not a US citizen would need to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. Foreign law is irrelevant.
<quoted text>
hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130481 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>They are under the jurisdiction of, local, state and Fed statutes, but never subject to the Constitution, unless naturalized.
Yes, but Amendment 14 does NOT say "subject to the Constitution." It says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."

Everyone in the USA is subject to the USA. As for the Constitution, that MAY be a different matter. But everyone in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the laws and powers of the USA. If a person in the USA were not subject to the USA, she or he would not have to obey our laws.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130482 Nov 28, 2012
And here they blame Global Warming for the growing sea ice in Antarctic. What a hoot. Not only does Global Warming cause flood but it also causes droughts and it causes more snow, more sea ice, the glaciers to grown, etc.

Global warming causing Antarctic ice to expand

11:40AM EDT October 11. 2012 - WASHINGTON (AP)-- The ice goes on seemingly forever in a white pancake-flat landscape, stretching farther than ever before. And yet in this confounding region of the world, that spreading ice may be a cockeyed signal of man-made climate change, scientists say.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2012/10...

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130484 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Wrong.

A foreign nation can't "intervene" on behalf of its citizens while they are in the United States. It is called sovereignty.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#130485 Nov 28, 2012
Statement by Secretary Napolitano on President Obama's Intent to Nominate David Heyman as Assistant Secretary for Policy and her Appointment of Arif Alikhan as Assistant Secretary for Policy Development
Release Date: April 24, 2009

http://www.dhs.gov/news/2009/04/24/secretary-...

Hezbollah Defender Arif Alikhan Appointed By Team Obama To DHS
October 8, 2009
http://www.militantislammonitor.org/article/i...

Homeland Security ???
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130486 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
The meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" has been defined by the US Supreme Court to mean subject to the laws. Everyone in the USA is subject to the laws of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.
which was a change to the constitution, the USSC does not have this authority.
"Subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", means the Constitution, aliens have never been subject to it, if so they would be called citizens.
Ark is not worth the paper it was written on.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130487 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but Amendment 14 does NOT say "subject to the Constitution." It says:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."
Everyone in the USA is subject to the USA. As for the Constitution, that MAY be a different matter. But everyone in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the laws and powers of the USA. If a person in the USA were not subject to the USA, she or he would not have to obey our laws.
It sure does!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130488 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, but Amendment 14 does NOT say "subject to the Constitution." It says:
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."
Everyone in the USA is subject to the USA. As for the Constitution, that MAY be a different matter. But everyone in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the laws and powers of the USA. If a person in the USA were not subject to the USA, she or he would not have to obey our laws.
the jurisdiction over the US government is the Constitution.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130489 Nov 28, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
A foreign nation can't "intervene" on behalf of its citizens while they are in the United States. It is called sovereignty.
The hell they can't, we have done it many times, but Obama sure dropped the ball with Benghazi.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130490 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Did we declare war on North Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, etc.?
"No South Korean representatives signed the agreement, which was always intended as a temporary measure."
http://www.rferl.org/content/The_End_Of_The_K...
Silly Libtards, they think that if we simply remove our soldiers from an area, the war ends?
There are only two ways any wars ends. A peace treaty or capitulation.
Nope. We did not. Ergo, there was never a war, but there were armistices.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130491 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The hell they can't, we have done it many times, but Obama sure dropped the ball with Benghazi.
The State Dept. may ask for consideration, but the U.S. has no jurisdiction in a foreign nation. That doesn't mean we haven't acted otherwise, but it was usually unlawful. If a host nation gives leave, such as with Noriega, then we're OK. But sometimes we have had to use less obvious means to extract or otherwise influence a citizen in another country.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#130493 Nov 28, 2012
Gay family: Evolutionary suicide or breakthrough?
28.11.2012


"The international community" headed by the U.S. and EU calls on all countries, including Russia, for tolerance towards "minorities." How far can this tolerance go? Today there are increasingly more talks about "the need to understand" pedophiles. Will the society's willingness to accept such demands lead to an evolutionary suicide?

The gay issue in the world has become acute yet again. In France, mass demonstrations were held against the government's intention to legalize gay marriage. In Great Britain, the spiritual head of the Anglican Church, Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams, has resigned. According to local media he left his post because of his inability to cope with homosexuality among the clergy.

http://english.pravda.ru/society/family/28-11...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130494 Nov 28, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
The State Dept. may ask for consideration, but the U.S. has no jurisdiction in a foreign nation. That doesn't mean we haven't acted otherwise, but it was usually unlawful. If a host nation gives leave, such as with Noriega, then we're OK. But sometimes we have had to use less obvious means to extract or otherwise influence a citizen in another country.
The US Constitution has jurisdiction over our citizen, no matter where they are.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130496 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Sorry, loser, if an alien violates US law within the US, the foreign country has no authority to overrule US law. Their home country can jump up and down and have a tantrum, but if an alien is convicted of e.g., a capital crime and is sentenced accordingly, that alien gets the needle.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If a person is not a US citizen per US law, that person must be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. It has nothing to do with foreign law. Even a stateless person who is not a US citizen would need to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. Foreign law is irrelevant.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130498 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The US Constitution has jurisdiction over our citizen, no matter where they are.
Uh, No it doesn't. If that was the case, there wouldn't be U.S. citizens in prisons around the world.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130500 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Tell that to Humberto Leal Garcia, moron.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If a person is not a US citizen per US law, that person must be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. It has nothing to do with foreign law. Even a stateless person who is not a US citizen would need to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. Foreign law is irrelevant.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130502 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Did we declare war on North Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Iraq, etc.?
"No South Korean representatives signed the agreement, which was always intended as a temporary measure."
http://www.rferl.org/content/The_End_Of_The_K ...
Silly Libtards, they think that if we simply remove our soldiers from an area, the war ends?
There are only two ways any wars ends. A peace treaty or capitulation.
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. We did not. Ergo, there was never a war, but there were armistices.
Was there an armistice after the Vietnam War? NO! Why not? Because South Vietnam surrendered!!!
Was there an armistice after the Panama incident? NO! Why not? Well, we captured Noriega!!!
How about Grenada? NO! Why not? Cause the Cubans surrendered and the Constitution government re-installed!!!
How about Iraq? NO! Why not? Because we capture Saddamn Hussein and he was executed and a constitution government was elected!!!
Again, a war, whether declared or not, is not over until someone surrenders or there is a peace treaty.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130503 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>The US Constitution has jurisdiction over our citizen, no matter where they are.
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh, No it doesn't. If that was the case, there wouldn't be U.S. citizens in prisons around the world.
We can not stop other countries from imprisoning our citizens. But we can criminally charge American citizens abroad. Why, did you know of anyone that got court-martialed in the Marines overseas?
If you are a member of NATO, if you are in another NATO country, you can not be arrested by the host nation unless we say they can. In Japan we have had Marines and Sailors rape Japanese women and the Japanese usually ask for custody and we usually give it but we do not have to.

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