BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

There are 190359 comments on the Chicago Tribune story from Jan 8, 2009, titled BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen.... In it, Chicago Tribune reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Chicago Tribune.

Affirmative Diversity

Louisville, KY

#130431 Nov 28, 2012
Poppo wrote:
<quoted text>
There’s no such thing as reverse racism Rogue. Like rape is rape, racism is racism.
Affirmative Action is reverse racism.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130432 Nov 28, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
Not so fast Lifer. You said we were still at war with North Korea. So tell us what was the date that the USA declared war on North Korea.
Silly Lifer.....continues to fabricate history.
Well pops, why don't you just stroll across their border and see how long it takes before they put a bullet in you? Do you understand the hostile?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130433 Nov 28, 2012
*the word hostile
Johannes

Yucaipa, CA

#130434 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Well pops, why don't you just stroll across their border and see how long it takes before they put a bullet in you? Do you understand the hostile?
Do you have the date that war was declared?

Yes or No?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130435 Nov 28, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
The President is not obligated to participate in Trump publicity stunts.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. Keep up or keep out!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130436 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale's play law interpretation is play law.
Don't forget to put on your engineer's cap when you play with your choo choo train, Play Justice. All aboard the crazy train!
A
Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.
A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States.
Get use to it, Puss.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130437 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Under the Constitution he was born a citizen of his father's nation, " and not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
Under the constitution?

Please recite which part of the US Constitution grants foreign citizenship to anyone, and please recite which part of the Constitution is governed by foreign citizenship law.

Play law doesn't work.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but foreign law has no effect or force in the United States. The Unites States is a sovereign nation; last time I checked. Under US law he was born under the allegiance of the United States. Under the Constitution, the US determines who its citizens are per US law.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130438 Nov 28, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
The President is not obligated to participate in Trump publicity stunts.
You consider $5M to a charity a stunt? Wonder how the charities feel about that? Omama didn't "cowboy up"! sad very sad
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130439 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Under the constitution?
Please recite which part of the US Constitution grants foreign citizenship to anyone, and please recite which part of the Constitution is governed by foreign citizenship law.
Play law doesn't work.
<quoted text>
That is right, not being subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, must mean you belong to another country.(ref. 14th amend)

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130440 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, the US Government can not strip the citizenship from anyone, unless requested by the individual, through the naturalization process. As you know Obama was born a citizen of his father's country of origin, that was his country's right.
.
Wrong. Read 8 U.S.C. 1481

Congress had enacted a statute which governed loss of nationality by a United States citizen. That statute is 8 U.S. 1481, the statute contains SEVEN SEPARATE ACTS that would cause a citizen to lose his or her citizenship. Nowhere in the statute does a child who is United States citizen loses his or her citizenship by the actions of his or her parent nor does the child loses his or her citizenship if the child is adopted by a foreign parent nor does the child loses his or her citizenship if the child relocates to a foreign country.

What the birthers failed to understand is that the only way a natural born or naturalized citizen can have his or her United States citizenship revoked is by the citizen doing any one of the SEVEN proscribed acts listed in 8 U.S.C. 1481. If they took the time to read this statute they will realize that a MINOR can't renounced his or her United States citizenship because those acts required either the citizen have attained the AGE OF EIGHTEEN (sections 1,2 and 4) or have been tried and convicted for TREASON(section 7) or served in the armed forces of a foreign state when such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States (section 3) Since Obama had neither attained the age of eighteen nor tried and convicted of TREASON nor served in the armed forces of a foreign state while he was a MINOR in Indonesia and, as such, Obama never lost his United States citizenship
Grand Bither

Oregon, OH

#130441 Nov 28, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
<quoted text>
Affirmative Action is reverse racism.
Here's yet another issue on which the Supreme Court disagrees with birfoons.

Why are birfoons always wrong?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130442 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>quite the contrary, he was born a citizen of his father's nation, the Constitution hasn't any control over that fact. As you know all persons born subject of other nations, must be naturalized, for citizenship in the US.
He wasn't born a subject of another nation per US law, under the US Constitution. US law is concerned with who is a citizen or who is not a citizen per US law, and is not dependent on foreign law. Foreign law has no force or effect within the US. The US is a sovereign nation, not a British colony. Sorry, British law cannot determine who is a US citizen.
Justus Liebig wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for admitting that he was not born a foreign citizen "under the Constitution."
If not born a foreign citizen "under the constitution" then he was born a British subject under British law, which has no force or effect in the US and no bearing on citizenship of persons born in the US.
Play law doesn't count. It crashes and burns every time.
Do you have a play justice robe to go with your toy gavel?
<quoted text>
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130443 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>To be born a citizen of the US, one must be born exclusively "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", simply stating, not subject to any foreign power.
With $2.00 and the JAG's opinion, you might buy a beer.
Dream on. That is your fantasy. The law holds that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen.
Grand Bither

Oregon, OH

#130445 Nov 28, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
<quoted text>
The old lack of standing excuse, AGAIN, huh?
Apparently no one has the standing to challenge the US's illegal usurper pResident.
One of these days the Republicans will find their common sense and balls.
Until then, we shall all suffer immensely.
Sorry, birfoon, but standing is actually required by the Constitution, rather unlike the birfoon fantasy two citizen parent rule.

Why do birfoons hate the Constitution?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130446 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Says the birfoon who believes municipal law in the US is unconstitutional.
Play robes and a toy gavel do not make Play Justice Dale anything but a delusional fool living in a play world.
<quoted text>
you still having problems, reading?
Grand Bither

Oregon, OH

#130447 Nov 28, 2012
Affirmative Diversity wrote:
<quoted text>
Yucaipa seems to be in southern California.
Both Watts and East LA are located in southern California.
Get the point?
You are either north or south of that imaginary Mason-Dixon line across this nation.
I would say you are south.
Since when was the Mason Dixon Line imaginary? Since when did the Mason Dixon line extend across the US?

I guess you slept through History class before you dropped out of school, huh? Your lack of edumacation is showing again, birfer.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130448 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
You consider $5M to a charity a stunt? Wonder how the charities feel about that? Omama didn't "cowboy up"! sad very sad
(1) when a supporter of your political opponent makes you an offer, it is common sense to ignore it; (2) It is not a good precedent for the President of the United States to do something for an offer of money by an individual, even if the money is for charity; (3) if Trump wanted to give $5 million to charity, he could give it without making an "offer" to Obama.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130449 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>That is right, not being subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, must mean you belong to another country.(ref. 14th amend)
The only people in the USA who are not subject to the jurisdiction of the USA are foreign diplomats and their families.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130450 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is a decision by the US Army Judge Advocate General's office that says that a US-born child whose father was a German citizen who was never naturalized is a Natural Born US Citizen. And it specifically says that dual citizenship does not affect the situation.
http://nativeborncitizen.wordpress.com/2010/0...
Moreover, sadly you have not been following CONSERVATIVE legal principles. Conservatives have always said that foreign laws do not affect, and cannot be allowed to affect US laws. And in the case of dual citizenship that is exactly right, US law does not allow foreign laws to affect US Citizen status (or as the JAG ruling shows, NBC status), and yet you think that they do.
Well, that is giving entirely too much power to foreign laws, a most non-conservative thing to do. And besides, it is not the law, foreign citizenship laws simply have NO effect on US citizens in the USA.
Excellent point.

Foreign nation's citizenship laws do not have any legal effect upon a person born in the United States to alien parents until such time that person chooses to reside in that foreign nation.
Moreover, that same person is under the exclusive jurisdiction of the United States while residing in the United States. No foreign nation has any jurisdiction over its citizens while they reside in the United States.

Without entering upon this subject (which properly belongs to a general treatise upon public law), it may be truly said that no nation is bound to respect the laws of another nation made in regard to the subjects of the latter which are nonresidents. The obligatory force of such laws of any nation cannot extend beyond its own territories.••• Whatever may be the intrinsic or obligatory force of such laws upon such persons, if they should return to their native country, they can have none in other nations wherein they reside. Such laws may give rise to personal relations between the sovereign and subjects, to be enforced in his own domains; but they do not rightfully extend to other nations.” Rundell v. La Campagnie Generale Transatlantique, 100 Fed. 655, 660 (7th Cir. 1900)(quoting Justice Story, Commentaries of the Conflict of Laws (section 22)(1834)
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130451 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
He wasn't born a subject of another nation per US law, under the US Constitution. US law is concerned with who is a citizen or who is not a citizen per US law, and is not dependent on foreign law. Foreign law has no force or effect within the US. The US is a sovereign nation, not a British colony. Sorry, British law cannot determine who is a US citizen.
<quoted text>
if foreign law has no force, why do we have a naturalization process?

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Chicago Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
News Barack Obama, our next President (Nov '08) 11 min RealDave 1,234,756
{keep A word drop A word} (Oct '11) 14 min Dream Crystal 6,015
Song Titles Only (group/artist in parenthesis m... (Mar '10) 44 min Dream Crystal 8,046
Word (Dec '08) 47 min Dream Crystal 5,249
Music Artists A to Z (Feb '14) 52 min Dream Crystal 414
Song Title Game (Dec '11) 1 hr Dream Crystal 1,181
News Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds ... (Dec '08) 3 hr Earthling-1 53,521
More from around the web

Chicago People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]