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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Full Story
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130339 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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55,000 in Vietnam alone by inventing the Gulf of Tonkin incident. 4,000 in Iraq by inventing non-existent WMDs and Taliban presence in Baghdad. You're welcome.
WW1, WWII, Korea, all respectful of the US constitution. As was Yugoslavia, the constitution, the UN and NATO.
Thank you for showing us, the US Constitution is not play law.

Since: May 10

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#130341 Nov 28, 2012
What I think is funny is that your Libtards think that Christian Theocracies are evil but Muslim one are great. How is Jimmy "the White Peanut Man" Carter's Iran project workin' out. Yep, that Shaw of Iran was an evil autocrat but that Imam Ruhollah Khomeini and his successors wurkin'out. Yep, some real nice guys. No gays in Iran. No atheists either. And if you are a Christian or Jew, as long as you are happy with scarps they throw you, you can live.
And just who is The Egyptian and Libyan things wurkin' out for Barrack "The Black Peanut Man" Obama wurkin' out? Yep, I don't care who rules any country so long as they are not a threat to America and Americans. And yes, the current regime in Egypt is a threat to our only ally in that part of the world, Israel.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130342 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>IAW real law Obama, is an alien.
Your idea that a person who is born in the United States is an alien doesn't comport with established common law.

Courts have articulated that a person born in the United States regardless as to the political status of his or her parents is a United States citizen. In fact, the courts have acknowleged that the Naturalization Acts only applied to those born outside the United States who wished to become United States citizens.

You want court citations? Here they are:

.“At common law, a native is a person born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of a country, irrespective of the allegiance of his parents, except the child of an ambassador. Ex parte Palo, 3 F. 2d 44, 45 (W.D. Wa 1925)
(internal citation omitted)

“All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. United States v. Rhodes, 27 F Cas 785,818 (1866) SWAYNE, Circuit Justice

“[I]t has consistently been held judicially that one born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is, from birth, a citizen of the United States; that such citizenship does not depend upon like citizenship of his or her parents, or of either of them (except in the case of the children of ambassadors etc.).
United States v. Richmond, 274 F. Supp. 43, 56 (CD Ca 1967). See also Von Schwerdtner v. Piper, 23 F. 2d 862 (D. MD 1928)(child born in the United States to German nationals)

A person who is born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship of his parents, becomes an American citizen not by gift of Congress but by force of the Constitution. U.S.C.A., Constitutional Amendment 14, Section 1. In re Gogal, 75 F. Supp. 268, 271 (WD Pa 1947)

NATURALIZATIONS ACTS AND CHILDREN BORN IN THE UNITED STATES:

In his dissent in the Dred Scott decision, Justice Curtis understood that the naturalization acts were used to remove the disability of foreign birth when he observed:
"Among the powers expressly granted to Congress is "the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization." It is not doubted that this is a power to prescribe a rule for the removal of the disabilities consequent on foreign birth. To hold that it extends further than this, would do violence to the meaning of the term naturalization, fixed in the common law,... It appears, then, that the only power expressly granted to Congress to legislate concerning citizenship, is confined to the removal of the disabilities of foreign birth. Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393, 578 (Curtis, J,., dissenting)(internal citations omitted)

The Supreme Court Court in Zartarian v. Billings, 204 US 170(1907) noted that absent native birth in the United States, a child born overseas needed to be naturalized. "As Mariam was born abroad, a native of Turkey, she has not become a citizen of the United States, except upon compliance with the terms of the act of Congress, for, wanting native birth, she can not otherwise become a citizen of the United States. Her right to citizenship, if any she has, is the creation of Congress, exercising the power over this subject conferred by the Constitution." Id at 173.

A child born in the United States to Columbia citizens was deemed a citizen of the United States.“Plaintiff Lina Acosta was born within the United States on September 23, 1975. The government concedes, as it must, that she is a citizen of the United States.’ Acosta v. Gaffney, 413 F. Supp. 827, 831 (D.C. N.J. 1976), reversed on other grounds, 558 F.2d 1153 (1977)

Since: May 10

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#130343 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
55,000 in Vietnam alone by inventing the Gulf of Tonkin incident. 4,000 in Iraq by inventing non-existent WMDs and Taliban presence in Baghdad. You're welcome.
WW1, WWII, Korea, all respectful of the US constitution. As was Yugoslavia, the constitution, the UN and NATO.
And just WHO invented WMD in Iraq? And why did G.W. continue the Persian Gulf War?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130344 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
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“As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, the same person may possess a dual nationality.” Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 329 (1939).
Sorry, loser.
<quoted text>
No, the US Constitution determines who will be citizens,"and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", after all we are a Constitutional Republic.

Since: May 10

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#130345 Nov 28, 2012
Libtards believe that if two sides just stop fighting, the war is over. But that is not true. A war only ends when one side Capitulates or signs a Peace Treaty.
World War One ended October 2010 when Germany finished paying off war reparations and the Korea War has NOT ended. Yes, we are still at war with North Korea as there is no Peace Treaty and no surrender.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130346 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
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No kidding? You can't use that train of thought/logic because of the eligibility part. All you're saying is that someone could and may have conned his way into office. However, requirements say an alien is not eligible for the office. Perhaps you will like this version better, an alien cannot legally hold the office of president. BTW, what characters are used to fill in a truth table (as to computers)?
First, let me address your last question. When filling out a truth table, I generally use a T for TRUE and an F for FALSE. I know, some may use esoteric symbols, but why complicate things? BTW, I've been in the field for about thirty years, now in one aspect or another. My first programming languages were IBM assembler, COBOL, and RPG (the first one).
Now, I am not saying anything about someone conning his way into anything. I'm saying that given the two true statements, the third statement is the ONLY logical conclusion. You twist it any way you wish.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130347 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Your straight-line logic has one flaw, aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, therefore they are not citizens.
But, according to you, an alien CAN'T be the President. That was your original statement. Barack Obama IS the President. Ergo, Barack Obama is not an alien. How are you NOT getting this?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130348 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Your straight-line logic has one flaw, aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, therefore they are not citizens.
Everybody who is in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130349 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, the USSC is not bound by the Play Law "meaning of the 14th".
<quoted text>
the US Constitution has complete jurisdiction over all three branches of the government, they must work within it, to do otherwise would be UnConstitutional.

Since: May 10

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#130350 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
55,000 in Vietnam alone by inventing the Gulf of Tonkin incident. 4,000 in Iraq by inventing non-existent WMDs and Taliban presence in Baghdad. You're welcome.
WW1, WWII, Korea, all respectful of the US constitution. As was Yugoslavia, the constitution, the UN and NATO.
Ah Jacques, G.W. RESUMED the Persian Gulf War when Saddamn Hussein failed to abide by the armistice that stopped hostilities. Saddamn violated 27 United Nations resolutions. It had nothing to do with WMD's or Taliban in Baghdad.
And what is sad is that we have had this discussion a half dozen times and you still go back to WMC and Taliban (al Qaeda). I really wish you would get an education.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130351 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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Everybody who is in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families are subject to the jurisdiction of the USA.
They are subject to our laws. Period. Why can't you loons understand this basic fact? Obama was born owing allegiance to the same country as his father. Twist, dance, skip all you want, it doesn't change this fact.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130352 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>could you please point to the place in the constitution, where you found native born.
If Benny's parents were aliens, they were not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. Citizens are the only persons that are "subject to" the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
One of Obama's parents was indeed a US citizen. BOTH of them were in the USA at the time of his birth and hence subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, as is everyone who is in the USA, except for foreign diplomats and their families.

Since: May 10

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#130353 Nov 28, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>But, according to you, an alien CAN'T be the President. That was your original statement. Barack Obama IS the President. Ergo, Barack Obama is not an alien. How are you NOT getting this?
Faulty logic. You think some one did not commit a crime if he was not convicted. In many criminal trials that can find the suspect quilt, not guilty or .... innocent.
Billy Dale, Travel Gate trial, was initially acquitted but the judge ruled he was INNOCENT and therefore the federal government had to repay him his legal fees. In Bill Clinton's investigation Pres. Clinton tried to make the same claim that he was innocent but he was not found innocent and the federal government did not pay his legal expenses.
And that brings us back to Obama. He has not proven to be a Natural Born citizen as all documents he has provided have been found to be fraudulent and until there is a real criminal investigation, he is NOT innocent.
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#130354 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>IAW the 14th he was not, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", since he was born a citizen of his father's nation. FACT.
Play Law is not real law.

Play justices are not real justices.

A toy badge doesn't make you a real sheriff either.

LOL, little boy.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130355 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
No kidding? You can't use that train of thought/logic because of the eligibility part. All you're saying is that someone could and may have conned his way into office. However, requirements say an alien is not eligible for the office. Perhaps you will like this version better, an alien cannot legally hold the office of president. BTW, what characters are used to fill in a truth table (as to computers)?
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
First, let me address your last question. When filling out a truth table, I generally use a T for TRUE and an F for FALSE. I know, some may use esoteric symbols, but why complicate things? BTW, I've been in the field for about thirty years, now in one aspect or another. My first programming languages were IBM assembler, COBOL, and RPG (the first one).
Now, I am not saying anything about someone conning his way into anything. I'm saying that given the two true statements, the third statement is the ONLY logical conclusion. You twist it any way you wish.
Libtards will do or say anything if they think it will prove their cause. How many wife beaters claim that their women made them beat them because they burned diner? How many Libtrads think it is okay for me to speed because everyone else does it?
In my younger years I thought it was okay to drive so long as I was not tooooo drunk. And after a few years of that I thought it was okay to drive buzzed. And somewhere between age 25 and 28 I came to the realization that it would be best if I did not drink and drive, period! The problem with Libtards is that they never mature, it is always someone else's fault!
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#130356 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>IAW real law Obama, is an alien.
And when Play Justice Dale wears his engineer's cap and starts up his electic train set he's a REAL engineer.

Hee hee.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130357 Nov 28, 2012
Jar of Glenn Beck’s ‘Urine’ with an Obama Figurine Inside For Sale?; Posted on November 28, 2012

Renowned artiste Glenn Beck put an Obama bobblehead in a glass jar,“urinated” into it, called it art and is now selling it for the low, low price of $25,000.(While Beck initially claimed to have peed into the jar, it is actually beer, according to MSN.)

Beck created “Obama in Pee Pee” in response to a Boston artist who made a controversial painting of President Obama being crucified.

Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2012/11/jar-of-gl...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130358 Nov 28, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
First, let me address your last question. When filling out a truth table, I generally use a T for TRUE and an F for FALSE. I know, some may use esoteric symbols, but why complicate things? BTW, I've been in the field for about thirty years, now in one aspect or another. My first programming languages were IBM assembler, COBOL, and RPG (the first one).
Now, I am not saying anything about someone conning his way into anything. I'm saying that given the two true statements, the third statement is the ONLY logical conclusion. You twist it any way you wish.
As related to computers a truth table would be filled in with 1's or 0's. Representing on or off. Your logic is laughable at best. The only way an alien could be president is by conning his way into office. Eligibility doesn't fit in a truth table. Geeezzzzz.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130359 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
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I'll put a $100 up that says Dixie Chick would lay you out cold! And Dixie Dude would be laughing his azz off watching. LOL
Oh, so now you admit that Dixie is a he. Progress indeed.

Oh, would I deny that he is stronger, that he could lay me out cold? Why not? I'm sre he could do it. Did I ever say I was stronger, and a better fighter? So, what does it prove? You know, even I could lay Stephen Hawking flat. What would that prove? I could also lay Nelson Mandela flat right now, as well as Mother Teresa when she was alive. And that would make me better than them ? That would therefore make Dixie better than me as he laid me out cold? How childish and pre-pubescent of you. Grow up. Please learn that when you are bested intellectually, you either do your homework for the next encounter or you just disappear and take on someone at your low level.

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