BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#130463 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>not so, the law states, you must be "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", the US Constitution. Those born here that are subjects of, or subject to any foreign power, do not acquire US citizenship.
Every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born US Citizen. Everyone who is in the USA even if only visiting is subject to the jurisdiction of the USA except for foreign diplomats.
Jacques Ottawa

Vaughan, Canada

#130464 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Why not?
Because it's incorrect and misplaced punctuation. How can pause after "problems"? You didn't write those perfectly-written depositions when discussing the constitution. You are incapable of even knowing where to place a comma.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#130465 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>aliens have never been "subject to the jurisdiction, thereof",(US Constitution), this is only the right of a citizen, you know "We the People of the United States".
If aliens are in the USA and are not foreign diplomats, they are subject to the USA because they must obey the laws of the USA. Foreign diplomats, who are not subject to the USA do not have to obey the laws of the USA (but if they don't, we can declare them persona non grata, and send them home).
American Lady

Danville, KY

#130466 Nov 28, 2012
My posts aren't showing up :(
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#130467 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think repeating the same old shat over and over makes one bit of difference? I guess you missed the point. It was a challenge to Omama and Omama declined. Makes no sense if his papers are all legit! What is Omama hiding? Something, that's for sure.
It is a good thing that Obama declined. It would not be a good precedent for the president of the USA to do ANYTHING for a money offer from a rich person, even if the money were to be given to charity.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130468 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
So that the former foreigners can vote, of course. Moreover, a naturalized US citizen has the protection of the USA when traveling abroad, which foreigners do not have.
So, foreigners don't have the protection of their country when traveling abroad?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130469 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
We have about 196 countries on this planet. Each has its own laws. Those laws count in each respective country and NEVER across its borders into another sovereign country. Geez.
I guess every treaty is void.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130471 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Because it's incorrect and misplaced punctuation. How can pause after "problems"? You didn't write those perfectly-written depositions when discussing the constitution. You are incapable of even knowing where to place a comma.
here,,,,,,,,,,you place them where they belong, OK.(Ref. Mark Twain)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#130472 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>A
Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.
A Constitutional Republic is the current form of government in the United States.
Get use to it, Puss.
Which has nothing to do with Play Justice Dale's insipid theory of jurisdiction which renders the "constitutional republic" something less than a sovereign nation.

Grow up.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Dale's play law interpretation is play law.
Don't forget to put on your engineer's cap when you play with your choo choo train, Play Justice. All aboard the crazy train!
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130473 Nov 28, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
If aliens are in the USA and are not foreign diplomats, they are subject to the USA because they must obey the laws of the USA. Foreign diplomats, who are not subject to the USA do not have to obey the laws of the USA (but if they don't, we can declare them persona non grata, and send them home).
They are under the jurisdiction of, local, state and Fed statutes, but never subject to the Constitution, unless naturalized.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#130474 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>I guess every treaty is void.
Play Law is void. Grow up.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

United States

#130475 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>if foreign law has no force, why do we have a naturalization process?
If a person is not a US citizen per US law, that person must be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. It has nothing to do with foreign law. Even a stateless person who is not a US citizen would need to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. Foreign law is irrelevant.
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
He wasn't born a subject of another nation per US law, under the US Constitution. US law is concerned with who is a citizen or who is not a citizen per US law, and is not dependent on foreign law. Foreign law has no force or effect within the US. The US is a sovereign nation, not a British colony. Sorry, British law cannot determine who is a US citizen.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130476 Nov 28, 2012
But what they did not mention is that EVERY year that amount of ice melts and the...... refreezes by the end of winter!!!

Arctic sea ice larger than US melted this year
By By MICHAEL CASEY | Associated Press

DOHA, Qatar (AP) An area of Arctic sea ice bigger than the United States melted this year, according the U.N. weather agency, which said the dramatic decline illustrates that climate change is happening "before our eyes."
http://news.yahoo.com/arctic-sea-ice-larger-u...

Nor will they tell you that since 2007 both the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice had been GROWING!!!

| 9/19/2012 @ 12:14PM |301,974 views
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record

Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.
.......
NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...

Silly Libtards still think we are in Global Warming. Oh, I know, they changed it to Climate Change about six years ago to cover their butts as they know that the Earth is chillin' out!!!

The sky is falling, the sky is falling. All Chicken Littles should go find a deep basement to hide it.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130477 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Which has nothing to do with Play Justice Dale's insipid theory of jurisdiction which renders the "constitutional republic" something less than a sovereign nation.
Grow up.
<quoted text>
Has everything to do with, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", that would be the US Constitution, not a bunch of simple traffic laws.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#130478 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Has everything to do with, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", that would be the US Constitution, not a bunch of simple traffic laws.
The meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction" has been defined by the US Supreme Court to mean subject to the laws. Everyone in the USA is subject to the laws of the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#130479 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
But what they did not mention is that EVERY year that amount of ice melts and the...... refreezes by the end of winter!!!
Arctic sea ice larger than US melted this year
By By MICHAEL CASEY | Associated Press
DOHA, Qatar (AP) An area of Arctic sea ice bigger than the United States melted this year, according the U.N. weather agency, which said the dramatic decline illustrates that climate change is happening "before our eyes."
http://news.yahoo.com/arctic-sea-ice-larger-u...
Nor will they tell you that since 2007 both the Arctic and Antarctic sea ice had been GROWING!!!
| 9/19/2012 @ 12:14PM |301,974 views
Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record
Antarctic sea ice set another record this past week, with the most amount of ice ever recorded on day 256 of the calendar year (September 12 of this leap year). Please, nobody tell the mainstream media or they might have to retract some stories and admit they are misrepresenting scientific data.
.......
NPR failed to mention anywhere in its article that Antarctic sea ice has been growing since satellites first began measuring the ice 33 years ago and the sea ice has been above the 33-year average throughout 2012.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/...
Silly Libtards still think we are in Global Warming. Oh, I know, they changed it to Climate Change about six years ago to cover their butts as they know that the Earth is chillin' out!!!
The sky is falling, the sky is falling. All Chicken Littles should go find a deep basement to hide it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/28...

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/d34e64d8-38cf-11e2-...
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130480 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If a person is not a US citizen per US law, that person must be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. It has nothing to do with foreign law. Even a stateless person who is not a US citizen would need to be naturalized in order to become a US citizen. Foreign law is irrelevant.
<quoted text>
hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#130481 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>They are under the jurisdiction of, local, state and Fed statutes, but never subject to the Constitution, unless naturalized.
Yes, but Amendment 14 does NOT say "subject to the Constitution." It says:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof..."

Everyone in the USA is subject to the USA. As for the Constitution, that MAY be a different matter. But everyone in the USA except for foreign diplomats and their families is subject to the laws and powers of the USA. If a person in the USA were not subject to the USA, she or he would not have to obey our laws.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130482 Nov 28, 2012
And here they blame Global Warming for the growing sea ice in Antarctic. What a hoot. Not only does Global Warming cause flood but it also causes droughts and it causes more snow, more sea ice, the glaciers to grown, etc.

Global warming causing Antarctic ice to expand

11:40AM EDT October 11. 2012 - WASHINGTON (AP)-- The ice goes on seemingly forever in a white pancake-flat landscape, stretching farther than ever before. And yet in this confounding region of the world, that spreading ice may be a cockeyed signal of man-made climate change, scientists say.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2012/10...

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130484 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>hahahaha!!! There goes 12,000+ treaties down the crapper.
Aliens are still citizen of their country of origin, until naturalized, their country can intervene on their behalf when needed.
Wrong.

A foreign nation can't "intervene" on behalf of its citizens while they are in the United States. It is called sovereignty.

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