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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#130352 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>could you please point to the place in the constitution, where you found native born.
If Benny's parents were aliens, they were not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. Citizens are the only persons that are "subject to" the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
One of Obama's parents was indeed a US citizen. BOTH of them were in the USA at the time of his birth and hence subject to the jurisdiction of the USA, as is everyone who is in the USA, except for foreign diplomats and their families.

Since: May 10

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#130353 Nov 28, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>But, according to you, an alien CAN'T be the President. That was your original statement. Barack Obama IS the President. Ergo, Barack Obama is not an alien. How are you NOT getting this?
Faulty logic. You think some one did not commit a crime if he was not convicted. In many criminal trials that can find the suspect quilt, not guilty or .... innocent.
Billy Dale, Travel Gate trial, was initially acquitted but the judge ruled he was INNOCENT and therefore the federal government had to repay him his legal fees. In Bill Clinton's investigation Pres. Clinton tried to make the same claim that he was innocent but he was not found innocent and the federal government did not pay his legal expenses.
And that brings us back to Obama. He has not proven to be a Natural Born citizen as all documents he has provided have been found to be fraudulent and until there is a real criminal investigation, he is NOT innocent.
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#130354 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>IAW the 14th he was not, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", since he was born a citizen of his father's nation. FACT.
Play Law is not real law.

Play justices are not real justices.

A toy badge doesn't make you a real sheriff either.

LOL, little boy.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130355 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
No kidding? You can't use that train of thought/logic because of the eligibility part. All you're saying is that someone could and may have conned his way into office. However, requirements say an alien is not eligible for the office. Perhaps you will like this version better, an alien cannot legally hold the office of president. BTW, what characters are used to fill in a truth table (as to computers)?
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
First, let me address your last question. When filling out a truth table, I generally use a T for TRUE and an F for FALSE. I know, some may use esoteric symbols, but why complicate things? BTW, I've been in the field for about thirty years, now in one aspect or another. My first programming languages were IBM assembler, COBOL, and RPG (the first one).
Now, I am not saying anything about someone conning his way into anything. I'm saying that given the two true statements, the third statement is the ONLY logical conclusion. You twist it any way you wish.
Libtards will do or say anything if they think it will prove their cause. How many wife beaters claim that their women made them beat them because they burned diner? How many Libtrads think it is okay for me to speed because everyone else does it?
In my younger years I thought it was okay to drive so long as I was not tooooo drunk. And after a few years of that I thought it was okay to drive buzzed. And somewhere between age 25 and 28 I came to the realization that it would be best if I did not drink and drive, period! The problem with Libtards is that they never mature, it is always someone else's fault!
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#130356 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>IAW real law Obama, is an alien.
And when Play Justice Dale wears his engineer's cap and starts up his electic train set he's a REAL engineer.

Hee hee.

Since: May 10

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#130357 Nov 28, 2012
Jar of Glenn Beck’s ‘Urine’ with an Obama Figurine Inside For Sale?; Posted on November 28, 2012

Renowned artiste Glenn Beck put an Obama bobblehead in a glass jar,“urinated” into it, called it art and is now selling it for the low, low price of $25,000.(While Beck initially claimed to have peed into the jar, it is actually beer, according to MSN.)

Beck created “Obama in Pee Pee” in response to a Boston artist who made a controversial painting of President Obama being crucified.

Read more: http://conservativebyte.com/2012/11/jar-of-gl...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130358 Nov 28, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
First, let me address your last question. When filling out a truth table, I generally use a T for TRUE and an F for FALSE. I know, some may use esoteric symbols, but why complicate things? BTW, I've been in the field for about thirty years, now in one aspect or another. My first programming languages were IBM assembler, COBOL, and RPG (the first one).
Now, I am not saying anything about someone conning his way into anything. I'm saying that given the two true statements, the third statement is the ONLY logical conclusion. You twist it any way you wish.
As related to computers a truth table would be filled in with 1's or 0's. Representing on or off. Your logic is laughable at best. The only way an alien could be president is by conning his way into office. Eligibility doesn't fit in a truth table. Geeezzzzz.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130359 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll put a $100 up that says Dixie Chick would lay you out cold! And Dixie Dude would be laughing his azz off watching. LOL
Oh, so now you admit that Dixie is a he. Progress indeed.

Oh, would I deny that he is stronger, that he could lay me out cold? Why not? I'm sre he could do it. Did I ever say I was stronger, and a better fighter? So, what does it prove? You know, even I could lay Stephen Hawking flat. What would that prove? I could also lay Nelson Mandela flat right now, as well as Mother Teresa when she was alive. And that would make me better than them ? That would therefore make Dixie better than me as he laid me out cold? How childish and pre-pubescent of you. Grow up. Please learn that when you are bested intellectually, you either do your homework for the next encounter or you just disappear and take on someone at your low level.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130360 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, BirfoonBoy, but foreign law has no effect or force in the United States. The Unites States is a sovereign nation; last time I checked. Under US law he was born under the allegiance of the United States. Under the Constitution, the US determines who its citizens are per US law.
<quoted text>
Under the Constitution he was born a citizen of his father's nation, " and not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130361 Nov 28, 2012
Sen. Schumer wants to use Hitler's tax? What a hoot!!!

Those Fleeing Obama’s America: Prepare to be taxed
- David Rushton, November 28, 2012

Senator Charles Schumer has recently proposed a new law to tax Americans heavily for leaving the United States. It was in reaction to the news that Eduardo Saverin, co-founder of Facebook, had renounced his American Citizenship and was taking his $2 billion dollars in capital gains with him.

Schumer proposed to tax him 30%. Sadly John Boehner, Republican, Speaker of the House (I still think he’s a disguised Democrat), said he would support the measure.

Schumer must thank Adolph Hitler for this idea. The Fuehrer instituted the Reichsfluchsteuer tax of 25% on Jews leaving the Fatherland in the 1930s. So Herr Schumer has merely taken the basic idea and upped it by 5%.
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/arti...
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130362 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Thank you for showing us, the US Constitution is not play law.
Then why is it to you?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130363 Nov 28, 2012
Dims are so easily fooled it's mind numbing.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130364 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
They are subject to our laws. Period. Why can't you loons understand this basic fact? Obama was born owing allegiance to the same country as his father. Twist, dance, skip all you want, it doesn't change this fact.
Isn't it funny that the children of illegal Mexican aliens as Mexican citizens at birth regardless of where they were born but an kid born to just one parent who is an American citizen in a foreign country is an American citizen?!?
My younger sister was born in Munich Germany in 1956 to two U.S. citizen parents and she has a DS-1350 to prove she was born a Natural Born Citizen.
Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA)
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/fi...
And, and she used it to get her passport too!

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130365 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Faulty logic. You think some one did not commit a crime if he was not convicted. In many criminal trials that can find the suspect quilt, not guilty or .... innocent.
Billy Dale, Travel Gate trial, was initially acquitted but the judge ruled he was INNOCENT and therefore the federal government had to repay him his legal fees. In Bill Clinton's investigation Pres. Clinton tried to make the same claim that he was innocent but he was not found innocent and the federal government did not pay his legal expenses.
And that brings us back to Obama. He has not proven to be a Natural Born citizen as all documents he has provided have been found to be fraudulent and until there is a real criminal investigation, he is NOT innocent.
Again, You are trying to introduce other issues in to deflect from the truth. President Obama has NOT been proven to be an alien. The documentation of which you speak has NOT been proven to be fraudulent. If either was true, he wouldn't be in office. He IS in office and was voted into office by both popular and electoral college vote. I accept your premise that an alien can't be President. In fact, it refutes the very point you'd like to make.
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#130366 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Your straight-line logic has one flaw, aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, therefore they are not citizens.
Aliens are not citizens by definition (that's why they're called aliens), regardless of Play Law pronouncements by play justices about jurisdiction.

BTW, play doctors with toy stethescopes are not real doctors.

Hee hee.
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#130367 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Under the Constitution he was born a citizen of his father's nation, " and not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof".
The constitution cannot grant or deny foreign citizenship.

Play Law rules made up by play justices don't count.

BTW, a toy bow and arrow and a feathered head band won't make you an Indian warrior either.

Hee hee.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130368 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
As related to computers a truth table would be filled in with 1's or 0's. Representing on or off. Your logic is laughable at best. The only way an alien could be president is by conning his way into office. Eligibility doesn't fit in a truth table. Geeezzzzz.
Like I said. Been doing this for quite some time. T&F Works well for me. Use % and ! if you want. You are right about eligibility on a truth table, though. That's why I wasn't trying to inject it into the problem. 2 statements which are true will always result in a true outcome. Argue it if you'd like, but better minds than yours have given up trying to disprove it.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130369 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
What I think is funny is that your Libtards think that Christian Theocracies are evil but Muslim one are great. How is Jimmy "the White Peanut Man" Carter's Iran project workin' out. Yep, that Shaw of Iran was an evil autocrat but that Imam Ruhollah Khomeini and his successors wurkin'out. Yep, some real nice guys. No gays in Iran. No atheists either. And if you are a Christian or Jew, as long as you are happy with scarps they throw you, you can live.
And just who is The Egyptian and Libyan things wurkin' out for Barrack "The Black Peanut Man" Obama wurkin' out? Yep, I don't care who rules any country so long as they are not a threat to America and Americans. And yes, the current regime in Egypt is a threat to our only ally in that part of the world, Israel.
Yo wrote : "What I think is funny is that your Libtards think that Christian Theocracies are evil but Muslim one are great."

I asked you the same kind of question I asked a day or two ago. No reply, unlike me when you ask me something. So, let me try again. Based on your statement, in quotation marks above, please inform us immediately which "Libtards" (rogue tm reg'd) here in Topix, in the whole US democratic establishment, in the whole free world, who think that Christian Theocracies are evil but Muslim one are great. Out of millions of people, please name me ONE. Just one.

As to the problems in the Middle East, are you trying to tell us that no other US president has endured anything but trouble within that geographical area? Obama's situation in that part of the world is not rosy to be sure, but is it worse than any other president, Republican or Democrat, since the founding of Israel in 1948? What do you suggest Obama should have done when the Arab spring erupted? He did intervene in Libya. A mistake in my mind. Of course, you would've wanted him to bomb the whole of North Africa to smithereens. Smart move. Know something? Even a Republican president wouldn't have done that.

Egyptian people. Brave, courageous, democratic. They ousted Mubarak, and now they are stuck with a Mubarak-alike, and look at them, defying Morsi as they did Mubarak against even bigger odds. Give 'em credit, Rogue , they may yet topple the new dictator.

As to "peanut man" (rogue, tm reg'd) Carter, he brought peace for the first time since 1948 between Egypt, Jordan and Israel thanks to the Camp David accord that he and he alone fostered. That peace has been holding for 34 years, a record. You greatly underestimate a great man.
Justus Liebig

Rocky Hill, CT

#130370 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>the US Constitution has complete jurisdiction over all three branches of the government, they must work within it, to do otherwise would be UnConstitutional.
None of the three branches are bound by Play Justice Dale's Play Law interpretation of the constitution.

Now, Justice, put that toy gavel away and start playing with your toy model car and be a real race car driver!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130371 Nov 28, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, You are trying to introduce other issues in to deflect from the truth. President Obama has NOT been proven to be an alien. The documentation of which you speak has NOT been proven to be fraudulent. If either was true, he wouldn't be in office. He IS in office and was voted into office by both popular and electoral college vote. I accept your premise that an alien can't be President. In fact, it refutes the very point you'd like to make.
Nor has he been proven to be a citizen! Those docs are as fake as they can be. Even a 6th grader could see that. If there is no problem with his citizenship then why wouldn't he show his BC for 5M to a charity of his choice? Tell me that.

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