BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Read more
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130325 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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A mere5 percentage point rise in income tax from all that earn over $250,000 is far from a drop in the bucket. I predict Congress and the president will agree on anywhere from $400,000 to 500,000 ceiling.
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Yep, it drives the Libtards crazy that people have more money than they do. But they do not realize that people get jobs from rich people! Ever been hired by a poor person?
At some point the One Percenters will take their money to a new state or a new country. And just who builds those mansions that rich people live in? And the cars, planes, yachts, etc. that they buy?
You do not make poor people rich by making rich people poor. Just look at the rich people who have fled Greece and are now fleeing France?
It is sad that the Libtards do not realize they are the bigots and the racists.
Very few have left France and Greece. And ironically, those that are leaving, specially the Greek tycoons, are the very ones that brought their countries to their knees, to the fiscal abyss. How you revere those people, rogue. And how you can call litlle middle class people bigots and racists because they want millionaires to pay their fair share is beyond me. To want that is not to hate them or demean them, what's the matter with you?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130326 Nov 28, 2012
You're possibly the only person I know who would coin the terms "oil bigots, tycoon bigots and billionaire bigots". Do you even see how that makes not one iota of sense?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130327 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Oh, it was NOT racism when the Loony-lefties opposed Clarence Thomas, Colon Powell or Condi Rice but if you oppose a liberal, who just happens to be black, you are a ... racist!!! What Flaming hypocrites!!!
Oh, pick the video up at 3:00 when the Touré TV clips cuts in.
MSNBC Host: Touré TV: McCain Racist for Opposing Susan Rice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =iOwEqzqhovYXX
Clarence Thomas? NOT racism. His accuser was white? This was a serious charge, Rogue. As to Powell and Rice, I don't recall their being opposed by democrats on grounds that even resembled racism. Can you elaborate on that?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130328 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
LRS wrote:
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Taxes will not sustain an economy.
<quoted text>
Ever hear of the Laffer curve?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve
Yes.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130329 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
And that precisely what Terry is doing. What are YOU doing to protect it? Not one congressman, not one senator, not one Justice of the supreme court, not one Republican candidate for the presidency of vice-presidency or for congress agrees with you or your birther ilk on this BC thing. Not a single one. You are a bunch of haters, envious losers, and sooooo isolated on your firing range. Go back to your gun-racked reb-flagged pickup trucks and lynch some black effigies, it'll make you feel a whole lot better.
I see no need to reply, you don't need my help to prove you are a fool.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130330 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
<quoted text>
Uh, you know Dixie Dude just might have a Dixie Chick? You think you know about people when you have no earthly clue what-so-ever. In the above post, you've determined she is really he, he is racist to the hilt, he's hanging little black dolls/figures, he wants to return to the days of lynching at will and you follow this up with a question about baseball. You are nuts jacqazz, just plain old crazy! Can you say Holier Than Thou? You're laughable jacqazz! Would you say any of that to his/her face? LMAO!!!
Yes, right to his face.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130332 Nov 28, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
Then, by your own admission, the President is a citizen, as he IS the POTUS. If an alien CAN'T be POTUS, and if Barack Obama IS POTUS, then, by extrapolation of the facts, Barack Obama is not an alien. That is straight-line logic.
Your straight-line logic has one flaw, aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, therefore they are not citizens.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130334 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
That's an intelligent reply?
good enough for him.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#130335 Nov 28, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
This is for Jacques. Please read carefully. It does not say "individual income". It is about "household income".
I know you are having trouble with read comprehension so I have kept my sentences short. This is also from a Geo. Soros approved source.
From 24/7 Wall St: Median household income in the United States declined for the second straight year, according to data released from the U.S. Census Bureau today. Income was $50,502 in 2011, more than 8 percent below the 2007 pre-recession peak.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/22/amer ...
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I DID specify in my very fist post that it was "family income". It is you who have selective reading comprehension.
Just like "MARTA, Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta" which you seem to think is racist when "African" is not of any particular race. You seem to see racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. everywhere you look. Sad, very sad.
1.I'm a fair guy. Okay, I believe you, you wrote household and I therefore erred and apologize;

2. "MARTA" is definitely racist as it refers to Africans, and yes, Africans are not a race, BUT it is so clearly implied that Africans are black, so therefore it IS racist. Way-out racist. Are you trying to tell us that the expression "MARTA, Moving Africans Rapidly Through Atlanta" applies to even ONE white person? Tell me this, Rogue, and in the spirit of answering questions like I do, like I just did, would you state that the acronym "MARTA" encompasses any white dudes? Do the words African or afro-American imply white caucassian people?
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130336 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, right to his face.
Why do I not believe you? LMAO!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130337 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, right to his face.
I'll put a $100 up that says Dixie Chick would lay you out cold! And Dixie Dude would be laughing his azz off watching. LOL
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130338 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
<quoted text>
Ænd you'd have us believe, following those two brilliant replies, including the "squeeling" one (sic) that you wrote those posts on the 14th amendment et al when you exchanged with Atticus? My god, is plagiarism the new (well getting old) standard and catchword for birthers and tea partyers?
That would be "squeel" (sic), looks better than squeal.
Plagiarism? Where?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130339 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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55,000 in Vietnam alone by inventing the Gulf of Tonkin incident. 4,000 in Iraq by inventing non-existent WMDs and Taliban presence in Baghdad. You're welcome.
WW1, WWII, Korea, all respectful of the US constitution. As was Yugoslavia, the constitution, the UN and NATO.
Thank you for showing us, the US Constitution is not play law.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130341 Nov 28, 2012
What I think is funny is that your Libtards think that Christian Theocracies are evil but Muslim one are great. How is Jimmy "the White Peanut Man" Carter's Iran project workin' out. Yep, that Shaw of Iran was an evil autocrat but that Imam Ruhollah Khomeini and his successors wurkin'out. Yep, some real nice guys. No gays in Iran. No atheists either. And if you are a Christian or Jew, as long as you are happy with scarps they throw you, you can live.
And just who is The Egyptian and Libyan things wurkin' out for Barrack "The Black Peanut Man" Obama wurkin' out? Yep, I don't care who rules any country so long as they are not a threat to America and Americans. And yes, the current regime in Egypt is a threat to our only ally in that part of the world, Israel.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130342 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>IAW real law Obama, is an alien.
Your idea that a person who is born in the United States is an alien doesn't comport with established common law.

Courts have articulated that a person born in the United States regardless as to the political status of his or her parents is a United States citizen. In fact, the courts have acknowleged that the Naturalization Acts only applied to those born outside the United States who wished to become United States citizens.

You want court citations? Here they are:

.“At common law, a native is a person born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of a country, irrespective of the allegiance of his parents, except the child of an ambassador. Ex parte Palo, 3 F. 2d 44, 45 (W.D. Wa 1925)
(internal citation omitted)

“All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. United States v. Rhodes, 27 F Cas 785,818 (1866) SWAYNE, Circuit Justice

“[I]t has consistently been held judicially that one born in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction is, from birth, a citizen of the United States; that such citizenship does not depend upon like citizenship of his or her parents, or of either of them (except in the case of the children of ambassadors etc.).
United States v. Richmond, 274 F. Supp. 43, 56 (CD Ca 1967). See also Von Schwerdtner v. Piper, 23 F. 2d 862 (D. MD 1928)(child born in the United States to German nationals)

A person who is born in the United States, regardless of the citizenship of his parents, becomes an American citizen not by gift of Congress but by force of the Constitution. U.S.C.A., Constitutional Amendment 14, Section 1. In re Gogal, 75 F. Supp. 268, 271 (WD Pa 1947)

NATURALIZATIONS ACTS AND CHILDREN BORN IN THE UNITED STATES:

In his dissent in the Dred Scott decision, Justice Curtis understood that the naturalization acts were used to remove the disability of foreign birth when he observed:
"Among the powers expressly granted to Congress is "the power to establish a uniform rule of naturalization." It is not doubted that this is a power to prescribe a rule for the removal of the disabilities consequent on foreign birth. To hold that it extends further than this, would do violence to the meaning of the term naturalization, fixed in the common law,... It appears, then, that the only power expressly granted to Congress to legislate concerning citizenship, is confined to the removal of the disabilities of foreign birth. Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393, 578 (Curtis, J,., dissenting)(internal citations omitted)

The Supreme Court Court in Zartarian v. Billings, 204 US 170(1907) noted that absent native birth in the United States, a child born overseas needed to be naturalized. "As Mariam was born abroad, a native of Turkey, she has not become a citizen of the United States, except upon compliance with the terms of the act of Congress, for, wanting native birth, she can not otherwise become a citizen of the United States. Her right to citizenship, if any she has, is the creation of Congress, exercising the power over this subject conferred by the Constitution." Id at 173.

A child born in the United States to Columbia citizens was deemed a citizen of the United States.“Plaintiff Lina Acosta was born within the United States on September 23, 1975. The government concedes, as it must, that she is a citizen of the United States.’ Acosta v. Gaffney, 413 F. Supp. 827, 831 (D.C. N.J. 1976), reversed on other grounds, 558 F.2d 1153 (1977)

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130343 Nov 28, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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55,000 in Vietnam alone by inventing the Gulf of Tonkin incident. 4,000 in Iraq by inventing non-existent WMDs and Taliban presence in Baghdad. You're welcome.
WW1, WWII, Korea, all respectful of the US constitution. As was Yugoslavia, the constitution, the UN and NATO.
And just WHO invented WMD in Iraq? And why did G.W. continue the Persian Gulf War?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130344 Nov 28, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
“As municipal law determines how citizenship may be acquired, the same person may possess a dual nationality.” Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325, 329 (1939).
Sorry, loser.
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No, the US Constitution determines who will be citizens,"and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", after all we are a Constitutional Republic.

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#130345 Nov 28, 2012
Libtards believe that if two sides just stop fighting, the war is over. But that is not true. A war only ends when one side Capitulates or signs a Peace Treaty.
World War One ended October 2010 when Germany finished paying off war reparations and the Korea War has NOT ended. Yes, we are still at war with North Korea as there is no Peace Treaty and no surrender.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130346 Nov 28, 2012
LRS wrote:
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No kidding? You can't use that train of thought/logic because of the eligibility part. All you're saying is that someone could and may have conned his way into office. However, requirements say an alien is not eligible for the office. Perhaps you will like this version better, an alien cannot legally hold the office of president. BTW, what characters are used to fill in a truth table (as to computers)?
First, let me address your last question. When filling out a truth table, I generally use a T for TRUE and an F for FALSE. I know, some may use esoteric symbols, but why complicate things? BTW, I've been in the field for about thirty years, now in one aspect or another. My first programming languages were IBM assembler, COBOL, and RPG (the first one).
Now, I am not saying anything about someone conning his way into anything. I'm saying that given the two true statements, the third statement is the ONLY logical conclusion. You twist it any way you wish.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130347 Nov 28, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Your straight-line logic has one flaw, aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof, therefore they are not citizens.
But, according to you, an alien CAN'T be the President. That was your original statement. Barack Obama IS the President. Ergo, Barack Obama is not an alien. How are you NOT getting this?

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