BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ... Read more

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130248 Nov 27, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>and your point is! In 1963 Obama got his citizenship for life as defined by the Kenya Constitution, prior to that he was a subject of the crown.
Sorry, to be a citizen of another foreign power, prevents you from being born a citizen of the US.
Guess what, your citizenship is at the moment of birth.
Wrong.

When Obama reached his 23rd birthday, he was no longer a citizen of Kenya since Kenya's constitution prohibits dual citizenship in adulthood. Obama had therefore automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship at age 23, in 1984. Kenya Constitution, Chapter VI, Section 97

97. Dual citizenship

1. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.

As such, Obama didn't receive his "citizenship for life" from Kenya since he was also a "citizen of some country other
than Kenya" as defined in the Kenya Constitution. As a result, his Kenya citizenship expired by operation of law on his 23rd birthday.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130249 Nov 27, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
The status of Obama's dual citizenship at the time of his birth is completely irrelevant as to his natural born citizenship status.
What is relevant is the fact that he was born in the United States.
Obama was born in the allegiance of the United States. "“All persons born in the allegiance of the king are natural born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England. United States v. Rhodes, 27 F Cas 785,818 (1866)
Courts on numerous times have held that a native born citizen is a citizen who is not naturalized. United States v. Schwimmer, 279 US 644, 649 (1929)(“Except for eligibility to the Presidency, naturalized citizens stand on the same footing as do native born citizens.”)
In fact, the courts on numerous occasions observed that native born citizens are natural born citizens and thus are eligible to the Presidency. Luria v. United States, 231 US 9, 22 (1913)("Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects, save that of eligibility to the Presidency.")
Furthermore, if Obama was not a natural born citizen then he is either a naturalized citizen or an alien. But this is a false dilemma fallacy since Naturalization Acts do not confer citizenship on native born citizens in the United States nor is he an alien since courts have held that children born in the United States to alien parents are natural born citizen.
In Podea v. Marshall, 83 F. Supp. 216, 219-220(ED NY 1949 )
the court noted:
"It is a long recognized and well established principle that plaintiff acquired American citizenship upon his birth on September 21, 1912, at Youngstown, Ohio, even though his parents were immigrant aliens.(internal citations omitted) And it is equally well established in our law that the plaintiff, while an infant could not divest himself of such citizenship, whether by his own acts, or the acts of his parents.(internal citations omitted)
In the New Jersey Supreme Court case Benny v. O'Brien, 32 Atl 696 (1895), Justice Van Syckel addressed the issue before the court: "The question presented is whether a person born in this country of alien parents, who, prior to his birth, had their domicile here, is a citizen of the United States?"
In answering in the affirmative Justice Van Syckel declared:“The words of the fourteenth amendment are, "born in the United States and subject to the Jurisdiction thereof." Those provisions by implication concede that there may be instances in which the right to citizenship does not attach by reason of birth in this country. Two facts must concur: the person must be born here, and he must be subject to the Jurisdiction of the United States according to the fourteenth amendment, which means, according to the civil rights act, that the person born here is not subject to any foreign power. Allan Benny, whose parents were 'domiciled here at the time of his birth, is subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, and is not subject to any foreign power.” Id
As such, Obama's dual citizenship status at birth is legally irrelevant and immaterial since courts have held that mere birth in the United States is sufficient to confer natural born citizenship status.
could you please point to the place in the constitution, where you found native born.
If Benny's parents were aliens, they were not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. Citizens are the only persons that are "subject to" the jurisdiction of the Constitution.

“WTFU”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#130250 Nov 27, 2012
My advice to the little group of crazies.. Turn off fox news. Turn off Glen Beck.. Open your eyes and come out of your little fox holes.Stop living BRAINWASHED.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130251 Nov 27, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
According to play law.
Grow up.
you wish it was play law.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#130252 Nov 27, 2012
Johannes wrote:
<quoted text>
In 1963 Obama was 2 years old.....and unable to resign his USA citizenship.
correct.

What the birthers failed to understand is that the only way a natural born or naturalized citizen can have his or her United States citizenship revoked is by the citizen doing any one of the SEVEN proscribed acts listed in 8 U.S.C. 1481. If they took the time to read this statute they will realize that a MINOR can't renounced his or her United States citizenship because those acts required either the citizen have attained the AGE OF EIGHTEEN (sections 1,2 and 4) or have been tried and convicted for TREASON(section 7) or served in the armed forces of a foreign state when such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States (section 3) Since Obama had neither attained the age of eighteen nor tried and convicted of TREASON nor served in the armed forces of a foreign state while he was a MINOR in Indonesia and, as such, Obama never lost his United States citizenship
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130253 Nov 27, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Wrong.
When Obama reached his 23rd birthday, he was no longer a citizen of Kenya since Kenya's constitution prohibits dual citizenship in adulthood. Obama had therefore automatically lost his Kenyan citizenship at age 23, in 1984. Kenya Constitution, Chapter VI, Section 97
97. Dual citizenship
1. A person who, upon the attainment of the age of twenty-one years, is a citizen of Kenya and also a citizen of some country other than Kenya shall, subject to subsection (7), cease to be a citizen of Kenya upon the specified date unless he has renounced his citizenship of that other country, taken the oath of allegiance and, in the case of a person who was born outside Kenya. made and registered such declaration of his intentions concerning residence as may be prescribed by or under an Act of Parliament.
As such, Obama didn't receive his "citizenship for life" from Kenya since he was also a "citizen of some country other
than Kenya" as defined in the Kenya Constitution. As a result, his Kenya citizenship expired by operation of law on his 23rd birthday.
wrong.
go up to, I think it was 7a, he was proclaimed a citizen.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130254 Nov 27, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
correct.
What the birthers failed to understand is that the only way a natural born or naturalized citizen can have his or her United States citizenship revoked is by the citizen doing any one of the SEVEN proscribed acts listed in 8 U.S.C. 1481. If they took the time to read this statute they will realize that a MINOR can't renounced his or her United States citizenship because those acts required either the citizen have attained the AGE OF EIGHTEEN (sections 1,2 and 4) or have been tried and convicted for TREASON(section 7) or served in the armed forces of a foreign state when such armed forces are engaged in hostilities against the United States (section 3) Since Obama had neither attained the age of eighteen nor tried and convicted of TREASON nor served in the armed forces of a foreign state while he was a MINOR in Indonesia and, as such, Obama never lost his United States citizenship
by the 14th he didn't have a US citizenship to resign, he was a citizen of his father's nation.
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130255 Nov 27, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
Your interpretation of the the 14th Amendment is wrong. The 14th Amendment defines who is an United States citizen. It has nothing to do with the status of an alien. In fact, courts have recognized that aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States.
"The Amendment [14th], in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born, within the territory of the United States, of ALL OTHER PERSONS, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. EVERY CITIZEN OR SUBJECT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently SUBJECT TO THE JURISDICTION, OF THE UNITED STATES. His allegiance to the United States is direct and immediate, and, although but local and temporary, continuing only so long as he remains within our territory, is yet, in the words of Lord Coke, in Calvin's Case, 7 Rep. 6a, "strong enough to make a natural subject, for if he hath issue here, that issue is a natural-born subject;" and his child, as said by Mr. Binney in his essay before quoted, "if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural-born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle." United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 693 (1898))(emphasis added)
"The Supreme Court has extended significant constitutional protections to aliens within the United States, without distinguishing between those who are here legally or illegally, or between residents and visitors. See, e.g., Yick Wo v. Hopkins, 118 U.S. 356, 369, 6 S.Ct. 1064, 1070, 30 L.Ed. 220 (1886)("The Fourteenth Amendment ... is not confined to the protection of citizens....[Its] provisions are universal in their application, to all persons within the territorial jurisdiction [of the United States]."); In re Ross, 140 U.S. 453, 464, 11 S.Ct. 897, 900, 35 L.Ed. 581 (1891)(holding that although fifth and sixth amendments do not apply to trials conducted in consular courts, their guarantees apply to "citizens and others within the United States, or who are brought there for trial"). US v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 856 F. 2d 1214, 1222 (9th Cir. 1988), reversed on other grounds, United States v. Verdugo-Urquidez, 494 US 259 (1990)
LMAO!!!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#130256 Nov 27, 2012
it raises revenue wrote:
How does a higher tax rate for the wealthy help the economy?
Raising Revenue is good, We also should cut Expenses at the same time
and staring with the 1% makes sense.
It barely amounts to a drop in the bucket.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130257 Nov 27, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>could you please point to the place in the constitution, where you found native born.
If Benny's parents were aliens, they were not subject to the jurisdiction, thereof. Citizens are the only persons that are "subject to" the jurisdiction of the Constitution.
Sorry, Play Law is not constitutional law. Grow up.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130258 Nov 27, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
According to US law, President Obama was a US citizen at birth -- a natural born citizen.
Nobody cares what his citizenship was according to Play Law.
IAW the 14th he was not, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", since he was born a citizen of his father's nation. FACT.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130259 Nov 27, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>you wish it was play law.
You wish fantasy would be reality. Sorry loser.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130260 Nov 27, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, Play Law is not constitutional law. Grow up.
Squeel for me, PUSS.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#130261 Nov 27, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>IAW the 14th he was not, "and subject to the jurisdiction, thereof", since he was born a citizen of his father's nation. FACT.
He was born a natural born citizen of the United States, FACT. Play Law doesn't count.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130262 Nov 27, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>
If you were as psychotic as Dale you would understand.
Pssst! Puss, does your mother tie your shoes?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130264 Nov 27, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>He was born a natural born citizen of the United States, FACT. Play Law doesn't count.
IAW real law Obama, is an alien.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130266 Nov 27, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>You wish fantasy would be reality. Sorry loser.
you wish the constitution, read your way.

Since: Dec 11

Fort Worth, TX

#130267 Nov 27, 2012
Justice Dale wrote:
<quoted text>and your point is! In 1963 Obama got his citizenship for life as defined by the Kenya Constitution, prior to that he was a subject of the crown.
Sorry, to be a citizen of another foreign power, prevents you from being born a citizen of the US.
Guess what, your citizenship is at the moment of birth.
But seriously, by virtue of his being the President of the nation, I think that the issue of him being a citizen is pretty much established.
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130268 Nov 27, 2012
wojar wrote:
<quoted text>He was born a natural born citizen of the United States, FACT. Play Law doesn't count.
So, the US Constitution is play law! Damn, how many US Military personnel have been killed over play law?
Justice Dale

Wichita, KS

#130269 Nov 27, 2012
Terry Buckeye wrote:
<quoted text>
But seriously, by virtue of his being the President of the nation, I think that the issue of him being a citizen is pretty much established.
Aliens can't be POTUS.
I see you have your uniform on, you swore to protect the US Constitution, what happen.

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